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Created by: pinslack
Team: 2023-24 Dallas Stars
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 9, 2023
Published: Aug. 10, 2023
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It has been reported that DAL shown some interest in Petry (source Chris Johnston) so I'm looking to see what could be realist

Petry for Hakanpaa + picks would require DAL to run a 21 men roster ; not ideal

To make it work, Faksa could be involved. It would open a spot for 4th C, so MTL adding Evans would fill it

Value-wise, we could argue Faksa and Evans are even ; maybe Faksa as a hedge hockey-wise but his cap hit brings his value down. I see Evans fill Faksa shoes without a problem
Trades
DAL
  1. Evans, Jake
  2. Petry, Jeff ($2,343,750 retained)
MTL
  1. Faksa, Radek
  2. Hakanpää, Jani
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (DAL)
  4. 2026 4th round pick (DAL)
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2024
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2025
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2026
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23$83,500,000$80,767,829$372,829$3,487,500$2,732,171
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$7,750,000$7,750,000
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$8,450,000$8,450,000
C
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$3,500,000$3,500,000 (Performance Bonus$2,000,000$2M)
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$9,850,000$9,850,000
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
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UFA - 1
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
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UFA - 3
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$894,167$894,167
C
RFA - 2
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$850,000$850,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$637,500$638K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$0$0
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$3,650,000$3,650,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$787,500$787,500
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UFA - 2
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$900,000$900,000
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:24 a.m.
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Habs would definitely prefer to lose a body. Petry (50% retained) & Evans for Faksa and a 2nd & 4th seems fine.
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:33 a.m.
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Edited Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:40 a.m.
You adressed both teams needs, cap restrictions and balanced value. The only thing I kinda disagree is the need to get Evans to replace Faksa. IMO Dellandrea could maybe fill in since his FO% got over 50% last season. But you can't have to much depth at center.

People love to destroy AGMs (righfully, most are awefull), but this is one of the few balanced and, might I say, realistic. Good job.

Now, I guess DAL would prefer to send Suter back. I could see MTL agree for a bigger return. Think about it smile
Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:44 a.m.
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You adressed both teams needs, cap restrictions and balanced value. The only thing I kinda disagree is the need to get Evans to replace Faksa. IMO Dellandrea could maybe fill in since his FO% got over 50% last season. But you can't have to much depth at center.

People love to destroy AGMs (righfully, most are awefull), but this is one of the few balanced and, might I say, realistic. Good job.

Now, I guess DAL would prefer to send Suter back. I could see MTL agree for a bigger return. Think about it smile


Suter is going nowhere. He has a full NMC and he is playing like a Tourist with our Franchise D.
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:52 a.m.
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Suter is going nowhere. He has a full NMC and he is playing like a Tourist with our Franchise D.


True he has a NTC. I just assumed he would be bought out anyway so he didnt really had a reason to block the trade. But after verifications, it would be impossible and terrible for MTL caphit. You are right DAL is stuck with him I guess.

Pinslack's idea makes even more sense then.
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:10 a.m.
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Not a huge fan of the trade personally. I mean the value is there - I personally just don't want yet another 35+ year old D-man with multiple years left on his contract. Just makes it even harder for Lundkvist to get a change to prove himself at NHL level, and we'd also lose a decent penalty killer in the process. Not to mention the picks too. Also, Faksa's defensive prowess last year was extremely valuable, I do not see the point in moving him, he's one of the best 4Cs in the league, albeit a bit expensive.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:16 a.m.
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Habs would definitely prefer to lose a body. Petry (50% retained) & Evans for Faksa and a 2nd & 4th seems fine.


that could work cap wise for DAL only if they send Hakanpaa in the minors. 23/23 roster with 33k cap space.

Could be a way to pull the trade
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:17 a.m.
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Fair trade
It would depends on how high Kent Hughes is on Jake Evans
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:24 a.m.
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Also, Faksa's defensive prowess last year was extremely valuable, I do not see the point in moving him, he's one of the best 4Cs in the league, albeit a bit expensive.


The question then is how to make the trade work without Faksa leaving. Hakanpaa only involved = 21 men roster

Smith Dadonov Duchene just signed, they are not moving

Suter can't be moved

So there's Marchment. Do you think Nill would give up on Marchment after a so so year? MTL doesn't need him tho, but DAL would then have the cap space to fill his spot (assuming Petry comes at 50% RS) and sign someone like Tatar.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:32 a.m.
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The question then is how to make the trade work without Faksa leaving. Hakanpaa only involved = 21 men roster

Smith Dadonov Duchene just signed, they are not moving

Suter can't be moved

So there's Marchment. Do you think Nill would give up on Marchment after a so so year? MTL doesn't need him tho, but DAL would then have the cap space to fill his spot (assuming Petry comes at 50% RS) and sign someone like Tatar.


Why would Mtl want Marchment though? He finished the year with 5 goals his last 45 games. Never scored 20 goals. Makes big money with term. He's a much worse version of Anderson. I didnt even notice Marchment in the playoffs. The Habs have enough overpaid bums that cant score. Hughes will take on bad money this season but not with a 3 year term.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:35 a.m.
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Why would Mtl want Marchment though? He finished the year with 5 goals his last 45 games. Never scored 20 goals. Makes big money with term. He's a much worse version of Anderson. I didnt even notice Marchment in the playoffs. The Habs have enough overpaid bums that cant score.


I agree. MTL doesnt need Marchment, but if Faksa is not involved, who else can be involved? Nobody other than Marchment.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:36 a.m.
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I agree. MTL doesnt need Marchment, but if Faksa is not involved, who else can be involved? Nobody other than Marchment.


Marchment also has a 10 team no trade. Guaranteed Mtl is on the list when he plays in a no income tax state. They also have a litany of wingers that deserve a spot over him like Heineman, Roy, Farrell.

The answer is simple you wait til the TDL when other teams can broker deals and Dallas gains some space.
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:41 a.m.
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Evans vs. Hakanpaa seems close. I think you drop the 2nd to get it close.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:45 a.m.
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Personally, I'm not even doing that trade if I'm Hughes.

I would be asking for a late 1st for Petry at 50%.

The trade I proposed involve no real valuable assets going to MTL.

Hughes has no need to trade Petry hockey-wise.

On Evans, he's borned and raised by the club. If you want to build a winning culture in MTL, I'm sure Evans helps with that.

I'm just finding a consensus on a fair trade involving DAL and MTL. If that's it, I tend to think Hughes does not pull the trigger
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:53 a.m.
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Personally, I'm not even doing that trade if I'm Hughes.

I would be asking for a late 1st for Petry at 50%.

The trade I proposed involve no real valuable assets going to MTL.

Hughes has no need to trade Petry hockey-wise.

On Evans, he's borned and raised by the club. If you want to build a winning culture in MTL, I'm sure Evans helps with that.

I'm just finding a consensus on a fair trade involving DAL and MTL. If that's it, I tend to think Hughes does not pull the trigger


Agreed. I'm hopeful that Petry starts the season. He's still very good. Once MSL took over his game took off at the end of 2022. The Pens had to deal him. The Habs would be better off using him to insulate the youth and repair the damage the Pens did to his image.

It is still much more imperative they clear the log jam at forward. Barron/Xhekaj need more seasoning in Laval. Armia is the more pressing issue.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 11:10 a.m.
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The question then is how to make the trade work without Faksa leaving. Hakanpaa only involved = 21 men roster

Smith Dadonov Duchene just signed, they are not moving

Suter can't be moved

So there's Marchment. Do you think Nill would give up on Marchment after a so so year? MTL doesn't need him tho, but DAL would then have the cap space to fill his spot (assuming Petry comes at 50% RS) and sign someone like Tatar.


My answer is to not do a trade at all. Nothing forces us to go after Petry. In fact, I wish DAL doesn't.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 12:45 p.m.
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The question then is how to make the trade work without Faksa leaving. Hakanpaa only involved = 21 men roster

Smith Dadonov Duchene just signed, they are not moving

Suter can't be moved

So there's Marchment. Do you think Nill would give up on Marchment after a so so year? MTL doesn't need him tho, but DAL would then have the cap space to fill his spot (assuming Petry comes at 50% RS) and sign someone like Tatar.


Marchment's contract is too big for too long. But if you find a way to send Armia the other way, maybe.
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 12:55 p.m.
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Marchment's contract is too big for too long. But if you find a way to send Armia the other way, maybe.


The only time I noticed him in the playoffs is when he was diving all over the ice against Minnesota as Foligno went crazy. No thanks. He was irrelevant, most of the year. Same as Armia. Two peas in a pod.

That is the only way I deal Petry for pennies on the dollar rn if they banish Armia much like Hoffman, and somehow, they paid for it with a 2nd. Otherwise, a late 2nd from Dallas does nothing for this club when they are too young on the backend as is and can milk Petry at the TDL when you see the returns for Chiarot, Gavrikov, etc. The values are always better at the TDL with the extra space available round the league. People are far too antsy to trade Petry now. There is no rush unlike at forward or even in nets.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 1:13 p.m.
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The only time I noticed him in the playoffs is when he was diving all over the ice against Minnesota as Foligno went crazy. No thanks. He was irrelevant, most of the year. Same as Armia. Two peas in a pod.

That is the only way I deal Petry for pennies on the dollar rn if they banish Armia much like Hoffman, and somehow, they paid for it with a 2nd. Otherwise, a late 2nd from Dallas does nothing for this club when they are too young on the backend as is and can milk Petry at the TDL when you see the returns for Chiarot, Gavrikov, etc. The values are always better at the TDL with the extra space available round the league. People are far too antsy to trade Petry now. There is no rush unlike at forward or even in nets.


People are in a rush because having him play in MTL until TDL would be unsustainable. Don't underestimate the capacity of Petry to sulk, be horrible and get boooed again and again. It happened before and wont bring the price up.

The fact the GM didnt talk to the media yet, 4 days after the trade, is a good sign he's trying to move him right away.
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 1:18 p.m.
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People are in a rush because having him play in MTL until TDL would be unsustainable. Don't underestimate the capacity of Petry to sulk, be horrible and get boooed again and again. It happened before and wont bring the price up.

The fact the GM didnt talk to the media yet, 4 days after the trade, is a good sign he's trying to move him right away.


I agree. But the same happened when Weber was dealt to Montreal. Sometimes, the shock needs to extinguish before you reassess. The Petry turnover is an underrated meme. He was really bad under Ducharme. If he even does regress to that level again, it wont hurt the tank. He really seemed to like MSL and he was a leader in the room. I dont see the harm. Everyone knows that Julie Petry runs the guys life atm. The pandemic issues are resolved.
 
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