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bias aside is the value far off

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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 10, 2023
Published: Aug. 10, 2023
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Trading Matthews is basically impossible, but if he was traded would Nashville and Toronto go for this? And if not, how far off am I?

Nashville gets a superstar center and the best goal scorer in the NHL. Toronto gets a young center with a lot of potential, a top five goalie in the NHL with a good contract, and a mid first.
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  1. Glass, Cody
  2. Saros, Juuse
  3. 2025 1st round pick (TBL)
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2024
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2025
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2026
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23$83,500,000$80,662,033$0$0$2,837,967
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
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$6,962,366$6,962,366
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$2,400,000$2,400,000
C
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
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$796,667$796,667
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
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$4,150,000$4,150,000
RD
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UFA - 1
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$3,550,000$3,550,000
G
UFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
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UFA - 1
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$1,400,000$1,400,000
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$800,000$800,000
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
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UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
C
UFA - 1
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$4,687,500$4,687,500
G
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UFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:56 p.m.
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Lol
Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:56 p.m.
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Lol


It can't be that far off come on, Saros is a top five goalie with a great contract.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:57 p.m.
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It can't be that far off come on, Saros is a top five goalie with a great contract.


Who cares no goalie worth one of the best centres in the league.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:57 p.m.
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Not even close. Come on man. Hehe
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 8:58 p.m.
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Not even close. Come on man. Hehe


What would a realistic Matthews trade look like?
Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:00 p.m.
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Quoting: sens65
What would a realistic Matthews trade look like?


Oh boy. I'd have to think about that. And I'm guessing Leafs fans would still say it's not enough. Like we're talking about a "right in his prime" Auston Matthews here. 😲
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:01 p.m.
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It can't be that far off come on, Saros is a top five goalie with a great contract.


It's that far off. Not only do goalies not tend to carry that much trade value (especially the way the position is trending), but what sense is it for the Leafs to bring back Saros in the deal when their window essentially slams shut by sending their 1C out the door?
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:02 p.m.
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Quoting: sens65
What would a realistic Matthews trade look like?


The answer is that it’s not happening. He can sign here for 4-5 years and then hit free agency after that for a killing in a 100 million dollar cap.
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:03 p.m.
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What would a realistic Matthews trade look like?


Slavin, Jarvis, 1st +
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:03 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
It's that far off. Not only do goalies not tend to carry that much trade value (especially the way the position is trending), but what sense is it for the Leafs to bring back Saros in the deal when their window essentially slams shut by sending their 1C out the door?


I don’t care if it’s prime Hasek or Roy, I’m not dealing one of the elite of elite centres for a goalie.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:11 p.m.
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I don't know what Matthews value is... But I'm hoping he can sign an extension bc it's making me sick about thinking he can leaves right during his prime
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:18 p.m.
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What would a realistic Matthews trade look like?


Sadly, it would never happen. Toronto would ask for way too much, and a team would be stupid to give that up for a piece like Matthews (especially at that cap). I think Toronto getting one of the Top 3 goalies in the league and getting rid of one of their HORRIBLE contracts, still getting a young, capable mid-6 center with a very high ceiling and a mid-1rst is AMAZING, but Leafs fans would want too much, even if it costs them their success
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Aug. 10, 2023 at 9:32 p.m.
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Sadly, it would never happen. Toronto would ask for way too much, and a team would be stupid to give that up for a piece like Matthews (especially at that cap). I think Toronto getting one of the Top 3 goalies in the league and getting rid of one of their HORRIBLE contracts, still getting a young, capable mid-6 center with a very high ceiling and a mid-1rst is AMAZING, but Leafs fans would want too much, even if it costs them their success


Matthews is not a bad contract...?
Aug. 10, 2023 at 10:06 p.m.
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No where close
Aug. 10, 2023 at 10:34 p.m.
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Matthews of all the high paid players should not be traded, he actually blocks shots , plays defense and gets points, you really can't ask for more . Tavares is the boat anchor holding the Leafs back right now, if he mysteriously got whisked away to Robidas Island that would really help. As is it looks the now the moron Shanahan has decided no core 4 trades because hey why not try it again? The dictionary definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. For any trade to really make sense it would have to at least include a 1st line center for Matthews no matter what, then add extras.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 11:01 p.m.
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Let's say the trade happens. Where is the Sammy trade? Did you lose Woll on waivers? Moving Sammy would free up around 5M with Woll as backup.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 11:46 p.m.
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Matthews, McKinnon, McDavid are the top 3 players in the league they are all slightly different but Matthews goal totals proves he is the best goal scorer in the league

Crosby era it is sid, ovi and third I don't know maybe malkin, Tavares, Stamkos, Marchand but it's the same with Sid and ovi they are different but ovi is the more pure goal scorer

Matthews among all these names mentioned in their prime would take a haul that is unimaginable Slavin, Jarvis and a 1st that I read above is a complete insult and it's not even close talking a top 2-3 player in the whole league.

I would say any teams best forward and defenseman and a first is maybe where you start....which is also why these guys can get paid what they want because how do you move them it's almost impossible and with that idea too it might sound weird but that means they are setting the market so they are also taking a payout with every deal, Auston could get $20M per year but he had to take $13.5M so he has a team to play with.
Aug. 10, 2023 at 11:48 p.m.
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Quoting: DougieGilmour
The answer is that it’s not happening. He can sign here for 4-5 years and then hit free agency after that for a killing in a 100 million dollar cap.


By the time with a cup or 2 and the C firmly planted on his sweater I say get him a new deal right where he's been all along in the tdot.
Aug. 11, 2023 at 12:42 a.m.
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Matthews of all the high paid players should not be traded, he actually blocks shots , plays defense and gets points, you really can't ask for more . Tavares is the boat anchor holding the Leafs back right now, if he mysteriously got whisked away to Robidas Island that would really help. As is it looks the now the moron Shanahan has decided no core 4 trades because hey why not try it again? The dictionary definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. For any trade to really make sense it would have to at least include a 1st line center for Matthews no matter what, then add extras.


There we go again Toronto and bull**** LTIR it happens so often there is a name for it. By the he way now one should give Toronto **** for Mathews honestly no team has the cap to be able to afford him and he's proven he's not the guy that's top priority is Winning Cups , he's proven his top priority is maximizing his total dollar value . The fact he forced every dollar he could get out of Toronto and gave away zero UFA years proves winning isn't near his top priority.
Aug. 11, 2023 at 10:33 a.m.
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Quoting: MaxBorjshlapsky
Matthews, McKinnon, McDavid are the top 3 players in the league they are all slightly different but Matthews goal totals proves he is the best goal scorer in the league

Crosby era it is sid, ovi and third I don't know maybe malkin, Tavares, Stamkos, Marchand but it's the same with Sid and ovi they are different but ovi is the more pure goal scorer

Matthews among all these names mentioned in their prime would take a haul that is unimaginable Slavin, Jarvis and a 1st that I read above is a complete insult and it's not even close talking a top 2-3 player in the whole league.

I would say any teams best forward and defenseman and a first is maybe where you start....which is also why these guys can get paid what they want because how do you move them it's almost impossible and with that idea too it might sound weird but that means they are setting the market so they are also taking a payout with every deal, Auston could get $20M per year but he had to take $13.5M so he has a team to play with.


To say that "Slavin/Jarvis/1st+" is an insult is weird. I mean it isn't even stated what the "+" would be.
However, since it would take an insane amount of assets to pry Matthews from Toronto it is ofc a trade that never should be made by another team. It would be almost impossible to come away with a better team after that, for the team that hypothetically would be trading for Matthews.
Aug. 11, 2023 at 12:07 p.m.
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Quoting: MaxBorjshlapsky
Matthews, McKinnon, McDavid are the top 3 players in the league they are all slightly different but Matthews goal totals proves he is the best goal scorer in the league

Crosby era it is sid, ovi and third I don't know maybe malkin, Tavares, Stamkos, Marchand but it's the same with Sid and ovi they are different but ovi is the more pure goal scorer

Matthews among all these names mentioned in their prime would take a haul that is unimaginable Slavin, Jarvis and a 1st that I read above is a complete insult and it's not even close talking a top 2-3 player in
the whole league.

I would say any teams best forward and defenseman and a first is maybe where you start....which is also why these guys can get paid what they want because how do you move them it's almost impossible and with that idea too it might sound weird but that means they are setting the market so they are also taking a payout with every deal, Auston could get $20M per year but he had to take $13.5M so he has a team to play with.

Matthews is very good no doubt but in order it would be McDavid , Draisitl, McKinnon then maybe Matthews and trust me I am a Leaf fan and I do like Matthews just saying no comparison .When you add up last 5 seasons McDavid had 150 more points, Draisitl was 120 more, Mackinnon had 46 more points but also a Cup. The thing about Matthews is TO can not afford to lose him without a valid 1st line center either in trade or having a plan after the trade in place to get 1.
Aug. 11, 2023 at 12:21 p.m.
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Matthews is not a bad contract...?


He is wen you have Marner and Tavares
Aug. 11, 2023 at 1:29 p.m.
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Let's say the trade happens. Where is the Sammy trade? Did you lose Woll on waivers? Moving Sammy would free up around 5M with Woll as backup.


First of all, Samsonov makes 3.5 million so it would only free up about $2.5 million and second have people forgotten that its better to have two good goalies than just one?
Aug. 12, 2023 at 12:07 p.m.
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First of all, Samsonov makes 3.5 million so it would only free up about $2.5 million and second have people forgotten that its better to have two good goalies than just one?


Your a sens fan, you obviously don't know anything about Woll. The 2.5M they save trading Sammy and the 2.8M you already have in cap space gives you over 5M in cap space.
Aug. 12, 2023 at 9:44 p.m.
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Your a sens fan, you obviously don't know anything about Woll. The 2.5M they save trading Sammy and the 2.8M you already have in cap space gives you over 5M in cap space.


Yes, I do know about Woll. He's a rookie goalie with exactly 11 NHL games of experience, if you would rather have him in a full time role than an experienced goalie I don't know what to say.
 
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