Red Wings aren't retaining 2 years of Maatta. Mike Grier isn't Red Wings GM. Maatta will get a 2nd at the trade deadline if Detroit is out of the playoff picture. But I think they'll be right in it.

If the new Leafs management aren't too impressed with Timmins, I can see Dubas trying to add him to the Pens.

Maatta isn't worth a 2nd... I'm not sure what he's worth. All I know is that the Pens don't want or need him.

Says you. Opinion. Not fact. Nice alias. Yeah that Joseph-Ruhwedl pair is irreplaceable.

Lol, true. I may be biased because Maatta has been here before with uninspiring results. And I don't believe he's improved much. His stats seem to be a direct result of the team he plays on. So, to someone who doesn't watch him, like me, I'd say he wouldn't move the needle enough for a team to cough up a 2nd for him

I think Dubas would be done. There isn't really the space to do anything more, unless Carter suddenly becomes allergic to his gear like Hossa, or Tatar is willing to take a really really cheap deal.
I don't get why we'd go after Maatta. I liked him when he was here, but injuries prevented him from being anything special. Getting him now just clogs the depth chart when we already have POJ and Smith on the left side.
The only thing I think this team really lacks is a 3rd liner who can reasonably be successful in the top 6. Tatar would fit that bill if we can make it work.

And I was opposed to Detroit trading for him. But with the way he played last season I was impressed and not wanting him sooner was a mistake.

You obviously never watched Maatta in Detroit. He literally rescued Hronek's career. 😁

Olli also played well in LA.

I don't think Yzerman will trade him. Not right now anyway.

Arguing to replace the only two young players with potential in POJ and Smith who are both more than capable at playing 15 minutes

Not like RHD behind two often injured guys and currently relying on Ruhwedel. Not like C with geriatric Carter and Eller behind two often injured guys. Not like a top 6 winger to replace Guentzel and make the 3rd line stronger when he's back.

No let's run only a 21 man roster and play our best LHD Pettersson on the third. Someone tries to point it out nicely and you say something sarcastic like this 🤌 *chef's kiss*

Your hissy fit would be cute if you were 5 years old. Please, grow up. Thanks. 😁

How could this possibly be a good use of Pens asset, removing a roster spot to add to a rare deep position lol? Instead of saying people's opinions are bad can you just tell us yours? We're here to talk about hockey but you're not responding to the opinions on the post you publish public for others opinions

Didn't Olli win a Cup in Pittsburgh?

It's not necessarily that Maatta is/was bad in Detroit. He earned that contract, but I don't think he's a top 4 defenseman on a contender. Joseph and Smith are both young guys who are capable of taking that next step, whereas Maatta is 29 and arguably had his peak already. I like him, but can't see him moving the needle for the Pens.
I do agree that Yzerman doesn't move him, regardless. He signed Maatta to that extention 6 months ago; Olli hasn't played a single game on it. That's not the situation that gets a player on the trade block.

I didn't realize you changed your post. That 3rd pair could definitely be improved on but if we're throwing out a 2nd it'll be for someone better than Maatta

Truthfully, I'd have to look up the roster. If he did he was a depth piece and not a factor. The fact that neither of us know should tell you everything...

I recognize value in good role players. A team can't win a Cup without them. Can't have 23 Stars on your roster.

I never said Maatta was a top 4 Defenseman. I also said I don't see him being traded right now. What are you talking about? 🤔

I said that so you would be very clear about how good I think he is at this stage of his career, and how he compares to Joseph and Smith.
I think one of the latter are capable of taking a step forward and being a top 4 caliber defenseman next season. Therefore, aquiring Maatta doesn't do the Pens any good because they already have options that could be better next year.
Additionally, I was agreeing with you that Yzerman wasn't going to trade Maatta. The entire point of my comment is that the Maatta trade doesn't make sense for either side, not just for the Red Wings.

I'm not sure the point of this trade? Pens currently have 4 NHL LHD - why would they go get another one?

Saying the Pens don't need Matta is just a fact though

I like Olli, he’s a good player, but he doesn’t fit our system and it really showed in his last years here

Actually Ruhwedel is extremely solid and the ideal 6th dman, especially with that contract. And both POJ and Smith are super valuable to the pens rn given their age and contracts. So yeah actually, the bottom pair in pittsburgh is really hard to beat given their situation

Maatta is not worth a second to pittsburgh. That’s an opinion, but it’s one that Pittsburgh has. We traded him for a 5th after winning a cup with him. It’s very obvious he’s not worth a 2nd in the eyes of NHL GMs

Maatta isn't the same player as he was a few years ago. Neither is Luke Schenn. They've both improved. Just because Pittsburgh doesn't need him apparently doesn't mean other teams don't. It's only obvious to your narrative.

Yes. A fact according to you though.

A fact is a fact no matter who's delivering it. So thanks for agreeing Matta isn't needed.