Umm if Willy goes through STL to a third team, then what exactly are the Blues getting for presumably 20+M in retention, Faulk, Krug and two 3rds? Nothing at all?


Oh, and this whole "Faulk could be serviceable" stuff is hilarious. He'd automatically become AT LEAST your 2nd best D-man. And your best RD by a not tiny margin.

He already will be. Just takes time to develop them.

They still need to compete with Big Willy's insane ask. Absolutely zero reason to overpay for his services when no one's going to give him what he wants to begin with. We can sit still and wait if he's holding out for $9M.

I'm saying Willy could if STL wants to flip him for a more rebuilding return or STL can keep him as a part of their retool

I didn't know how to explain that Faulk would provide value without going overboard

Yeah, but if CHI waits until FA to sign him, they are for sure going to have to pay his 10 mill asking price

OR, an even better idea is to NOT pay him $10M and let him play for another team.

That would be a good 2nd option but why not go bold and get Bedard a very good teammate for the foreseeable future to keep him happy?

And now we're full circle. It would more likely piss him off. Not make him happy. Don't trade away core pieces for the future that'll develop with Bedard. Keep all those assets and see what the UFA market has.

Wasn't that Buffalo's mentality with Eichel?

Wasn't it TOR's mentality with Matthews? Winning clubs develop their players. It's why the trade below was one of the worst in NHL history...and I actually like Seth Jones, BUT you can see how pissed off I was. Don't trade away soo many assets for a guy you over paid for. Same EXACT situation with Nylander. With his holdout history combined with his INSANE asking price...can't do it.

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/491022

Toronto has made the playoffs every year Matthews has been in the NHL... The issue was the holdouts for contracts and Covid, which CHI hopefully doesn't have to deal with...

As for the trade, I liked the trade... Chicago only lost a 1st+2nd... The issue was that Jones wasn't a 7 mill player getting paid 9.5

You're 100% correct. ESPECIALLY about COVID flat cap. Really did this team in. Unfortunate part of life for Leafs fans. I'm just pointing out that most successful teams develop from within. TBL, COL, TOR, PIT, WAS, CHI. The Eichel trade is more of an outlier than the status quo.

BTW, wasn't blaming Covid for Leafs issues w cap... More of a, this didn't help

Makes sense... But for TBL, they acquired half of their top 4 via trade and Vegas would be another outlier

When you say "they acquired half of their top 4 via trade" What do you mean? Stamkos, Hedman, Kucherov, Vasilevskiy, Point, Cirelli, all drafted by TBL.

Hahahahahahaha the Cooley trade. Why the **** would Arizona do that. Financially or on the ice. It makes 0 sense

1 - 0_0

The Blues are not trading for Nylander. They sure as hell are not trading 3-4 1sts worth of retention AND Faulk for him, and they SURE AS HELL are not trading all that for him just to flip him. Good grief, man. The Blues are loaded on the wings for practically the next decade and cannot afford to blow a ton of cap on a forward when the top 4 LDs need fixing.

2 - Easy. You say he'd at least be the 2nd best Dman on the team and easily the best RD the second he walks in the door.

Krug retained is not worth 3-4 1sts

Dude, you need to slow down when you read. I said the retention amount is worth 3-4 1sts. Krug you can have for free.

KD laughs and hangs up then outbids you for nylander in the summer

You don't even get a call back from the Hawks. As a rental, it's soooo far off. Even with an extension Hawks still decline. Nazar and Korchinski (even without the pick) is more valuable then Nylander hands down. You are talking one of the top, if not the top, defensive prospect in the league under the age of 20 right now. And Nazar was a 13th OA pick himself and a top prospect. Nylander simply isn't worth that.

No different then getting him as a 1 year rental, your odds don't improve much either way

You don't have that kind of cap flexibility when you account for Matthews extension.

We've never said Terry is a better player than Nylander. At 7 million AAV long term vs Nylanders probably 9.5, he's a better value. Him taking that team friendly deal enables us to chase a big fish next summer like Nylander.

Nylander spends more time playing with Tavares than Matthews, so that points rather moot. He's always going to be second fiddle to Marner in Toronto. He's got a shot to be THE star in Anaheim alongside Zegras.

And as to media, literally every other hockey media is better in Toronto, you can't sneeze wrong without it being a storyline for a week in Toronto if you are a leaf. That's why multiple players, including Gudas and RoR opted to not sign with Toronto. Anaheim is a small market team, our media doesn't get the kind of traction needed to get in a players head. Every missed pass or trip is treated like the Patrick Stefan missed empty net by Toronto media.

Canadiens retained 2.3/2 on Petry and got a 4rth in return... Retaining 700K more for an extra year doesn't net an additional 3-4 1st

Yeah... 46 mill before retention would give the Leafs that kind of flexibility if they choose to

I've seen multiple people on this site say Terry was better than Nylander... Don't know if that was you or not but I have seen it

I've seen Nylander play w Matthews more TBH but fair with the Marner thing

It's not that bad... And what if Nylander likes the attention he gets?

You have more time to work a deal out though and you can, in theory, sign him for less