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Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils
Initial Creation Date: Aug. 29, 2023
Published: Aug. 29, 2023
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Stealing idea from Skyraider112 here…
Free Agent Signings
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Patrick, Nolan
1$1,200,000
Trades
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NJD
    1. Patrick, Nolan
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    1. Kakko, Kaapo
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      1. Dahlén, Jonathan
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        1. Nurmi, Markus
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        NJD
          1. Phillips, Ethan
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            1. Aaltonen, Leevi
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            1. Gritsyuk, Arseni [Reserve List]
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            EDM
            1. Pytlik, Jaromir [Reserve List]
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            NJD
            1. Jefferies, Alex [Reserve List]
            NYI
            1. Edwards, Ethan [Reserve List]
            19.
            NJD
            1. Costantini, Matteo [Reserve List]
            BUF
            1. Shlaine, Artem [Reserve List]
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            CBJ
            1. Salminen, Samu [Reserve List]
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            NJD
            1. Richard, Guillaume [Reserve List]
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            1. Málek, Jakub [Reserve List]
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              1. Tschigerl, Sean
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              NJD
              1. Boyd, Ben [Reserve List]
              CBJ
              1. Hurtig, Viktor [Reserve List]
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              NJD
              1. Kelley, Connor [Reserve List]
              CHI
              1. Bardakov, Zakhar [Reserve List]
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              1. Casey, Seamus [Reserve List]
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              1. Connors, Kenny [Reserve List]
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              1. Laba, Noah [Reserve List]
              NYR
              1. Orlov, Daniil [Reserve List]
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              NJD
              1. Guindon, Cedrick [Reserve List]
              MTL
              1. Leddy, Charlie [Reserve List]
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              NYI
              1. Hauser, Petr [Reserve List]
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              1. Collins, Nolan [Reserve List]
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              1. Tohila, Riku [Reserve List]
              CHI
              1. Barabosha, Artem [Reserve List]
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              NJD
              1. Terrance, Carey [Reserve List]
              ANA
              1. Hämeenaho, Lenni [Reserve List]
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              NJD
              1. Cagnoni, Luca [Reserve List]
              SJS
              1. Squires, Cam [Reserve List]
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              NJD
              1. Ishimnikov, Nikita [Reserve List]
              COL
              1. Cheslock, Chase [Reserve List]
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              NJD
              1. Eriksson, Filip [Reserve List]
              MTL
              1. Brown, Cole [Reserve List]
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              1. Hanzel, Jeremy [Reserve List]
              COL
              1. Karpovich, Daniil [Reserve List]
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                1. Wilson, Scott
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                  1. Hamilton, Curtis
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                    1. Gotovets, Kirill
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                      1. Mueller, Mirco
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                        1. Kurker, Sam
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                          1. Mantykivi, Matias
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                          1. Wotherspoon, Tyler
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                            1. Huska, Adam
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                              1. Desrocher, Stephen
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                                1. Petrecki, Nick
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                                  1. Olofsson, Jacob
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                                  1. Moore, Cooper [Reserve List]
                                  DET
                                  1. Brady, Cole [Reserve List]
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                                  BUF
                                  1. Popugayev, Nikita [Reserve List]
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                                  NJD
                                    1. Andersson, Anton
                                    STL
                                    1. Zaitsev, Yegor [Reserve List]
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                                    NYI
                                    1. Gavrus, Artur [Reserve List]
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                                    VGK
                                      1. Talvitie, Aarne
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                                      TBL
                                        1. Gignac, Brandon
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                                        MIN
                                          1. Cormier, Evan
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                                          CBJ
                                            1. Pakkila, Eetu
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                                            LAK
                                              1. McCarthy, Case
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                                              DET
                                                1. Moynihan, Patrick
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                                                SEA
                                                  1. Kujawinski, Ryan
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                                                  TBL
                                                    1. Wood, Miles
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                                                    NJD
                                                      1. Miller, Colin
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                                                      CAR
                                                        1. Gelinas, Eric
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                                                        OTT
                                                          1. Burlon, Brandon
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                                                          WSH
                                                            1. Bergfors, Niclas
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                                                            TOR
                                                              1. Fayne, Mark
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                                                              23$83,500,000$71,848,332$422,500$6,715,000$11,651,668
                                                              Left WingCentreRight Wing
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                                                              $863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
                                                              RW, LW
                                                              RFA - 2
                                                              Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
                                                              $9,250,000$9,250,000
                                                              RW, C
                                                              M-NTC
                                                              UFA - 2
                                                              Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
                                                              $9,500,000$9,500,000
                                                              RW
                                                              NMC
                                                              UFA - 4
                                                              Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
                                                              $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$1,850,000$2M)
                                                              LW, C
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
                                                              $950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
                                                              C
                                                              RFA - 3
                                                              Logo of the New York Rangers
                                                              $2,100,000$2,100,000
                                                              RW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              Logo of the Minnesota Wild
                                                              $1,100,000$1,100,000
                                                              RW, LW
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
                                                              $3,150,000$3,150,000
                                                              C, LW
                                                              NTC
                                                              UFA - 6
                                                              Logo of the Washington Capitals
                                                              $5,750,000$5,750,000
                                                              RW
                                                              M-NTC
                                                              UFA - 2
                                                              Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
                                                              $878,333$878,333 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
                                                              LW, C
                                                              RFA - 2
                                                              Logo of the Florida Panthers
                                                              $1,000,000$1,000,000
                                                              C, RW
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
                                                              $1,350,000$1,350,000
                                                              RW
                                                              UFA - 3
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                                                              Logo of the Minnesota Wild
                                                              $6,000,000$6,000,000
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                                                              NMC
                                                              UFA - 5
                                                              Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
                                                              $5,200,000$5,200,000
                                                              RD
                                                              UFA - 8
                                                              Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
                                                              $775,000$775,000
                                                              G
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
                                                              $7,750,000$7,750,000
                                                              LD
                                                              UFA - 2
                                                              Logo of the New York Rangers
                                                              $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$400,000$400K)
                                                              RD
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
                                                              $850,833$850,833 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
                                                              G
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                              $1,850,000$1,850,000
                                                              LD/RD
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
                                                              $2,500,000$2,500,000
                                                              RD
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
                                                              Logo of the New Jersey Devils
                                                              $1,850,000$1,850,000
                                                              RD
                                                              UFA - 1
                                                              Patrick, Nolan
                                                              $1,200,000$1,200,000
                                                              Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
                                                              $2,333,333$2,333,333
                                                              LD/RD
                                                              RFA - 1
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                                                              $1,100,000$1,100,000
                                                              RD
                                                              NMC
                                                              UFA - 2
                                                              Logo of the Ottawa Senators
                                                              $2,000,000$2,000,000
                                                              LD/RD, LW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              Taxi Squad
                                                              Logo of the St. Louis Blues
                                                              $852,500$852,500 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
                                                              C
                                                              RFA - 3
                                                              Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
                                                              $825,000$825,000 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
                                                              LD
                                                              RFA - 3
                                                              Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
                                                              $925,000$925,000 ($0$0$0$0)
                                                              LW
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
                                                              $863,333$863,333 ($0$0$0$0)
                                                              C
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              Logo of the Calgary Flames
                                                              $855,833$855,833 ($0$0$0$0)
                                                              RW, C
                                                              RFA - 1
                                                              Logo of the Minnesota Wild
                                                              $897,500$897,500 ($0$0$0$0) (Performance Bonus$80,000$80K)
                                                              C
                                                              RFA - 3
                                                              Logo of the Seattle Kraken
                                                              $775,000$775,000 ($0$0$0$0)
                                                              C, LW, RW
                                                              UFA - 1

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                                                              Aug. 29, 2023 at 10:59 p.m.
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                                                              Danny B is here
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                                                              Aug. 29, 2023 at 11:09 p.m.
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                                                              A couple wins but mostly losses here. Jersey has done a good job drafting and developing.
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                                                              Aug. 30, 2023 at 3:36 a.m.
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                                                              Quoting: Lancebmx
                                                              A couple wins but mostly losses here. Jersey has done a good job drafting and developing.


                                                              Yes, they've done a great job of winning the lottery 3 times in 7 years and finishing 4th when they had no business being that bad.
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                                                              Aug. 30, 2023 at 4:36 a.m.
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                                                              do not Devil my ass
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                                                              Quoting: RedWing9119
                                                              Yes, they've done a great job of winning the lottery 3 times in 7 years and finishing 4th when they had no business being that bad.

                                                              I agree, it's completely unfathomable that lineups like these didn't compete for playoff spots between the 2016 - 2021 period.
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                                                              No team would be the least bit competitive if they had to suffer the goaltending the Devils had to experience in the 21-22 season (especially so when Jack Hughes is out injured half the season and Hamilton plays with a fractured jaw for 25 games or so)..
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                                                              Every single piece of the Devils "lottery luck" in 2017, 2019 and 2022 has been fully earned by the miserable state Lamoriello left the team in.
                                                              As Red Wings fan I'm sure you can sympathize with that given how Holland handled Detroit from 2010 and onward...

                                                              Would you please clarify to me how winning the lottery 3 times allowed Fitzgerald to:
                                                              - completely reshape the D corps
                                                              - develop late round picks like Bratt, Zetterlund, Sharangovich, Bastian and Schmid into key contributors of varying degrees
                                                              - flipping picks, prospects and roster players for impact players like Meier, Toffoli, Vanecek, Marino, Graves and Siegenthaler
                                                              ... and still maintain a top 5 prospect pool in the league.
                                                              How does that work exactly?

                                                              I mean, what's stopping Yzerman from doing exactly that (as opposed to commiting 26.5m of his cap dollars to elite names such as Vrana, Chiarot, Copp, Compher, Husso and Holl)?
                                                              Aug. 30, 2023 at 5:05 a.m.
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                                                              Quoting: RedWing9119
                                                              Yes, they've done a great job of winning the lottery 3 times in 7 years and finishing 4th when they had no business being that bad.


                                                              4 times in 11 years...don't forget Adam Larsson too
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                                                              Aug. 30, 2023 at 2:04 p.m.
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                                                              Quoting: Tintin
                                                              I agree, it's completely unfathomable that lineups like these didn't compete for playoff spots between the 2016 - 2021 period.
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                                                              No team would be the least bit competitive if they had to suffer the goaltending the Devils had to experience in the 21-22 season (especially so when Jack Hughes is out injured half the season and Hamilton plays with a fractured jaw for 25 games or so)..
                                                              F4w-QkhX0AAOPdp?format=webp&name=small
                                                              Every single piece of the Devils "lottery luck" in 2017, 2019 and 2022 has been fully earned by the miserable state Lamoriello left the team in.
                                                              As Red Wings fan I'm sure you can sympathize with that given how Holland handled Detroit from 2010 and onward...

                                                              Would you please clarify to me how winning the lottery 3 times allowed Fitzgerald to:
                                                              - completely reshape the D corps
                                                              - develop late round picks like Bratt, Zetterlund, Sharangovich, Bastian and Schmid into key contributors of varying degrees
                                                              - flipping picks, prospects and roster players for impact players like Meier, Toffoli, Vanecek, Marino, Graves and Siegenthaler
                                                              ... and still maintain a top 5 prospect pool in the league.
                                                              How does that work exactly?

                                                              I mean, what's stopping Yzerman from doing exactly that (as opposed to commiting 26.5m of his cap dollars to elite names such as Vrana, Chiarot, Copp, Compher, Husso and Holl)?


                                                              That lineup is an absolute war crime
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                                                              Aug. 30, 2023 at 2:55 p.m.
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                                                              Quoting: Tintin
                                                              I agree, it's completely unfathomable that lineups like these didn't compete for playoff spots between the 2016 - 2021 period.
                                                              F3jn74EWEAAwv4p?format=webp&name=small
                                                              No team would be the least bit competitive if they had to suffer the goaltending the Devils had to experience in the 21-22 season (especially so when Jack Hughes is out injured half the season and Hamilton plays with a fractured jaw for 25 games or so)..
                                                              F4w-QkhX0AAOPdp?format=webp&name=small
                                                              Every single piece of the Devils "lottery luck" in 2017, 2019 and 2022 has been fully earned by the miserable state Lamoriello left the team in.
                                                              As Red Wings fan I'm sure you can sympathize with that given how Holland handled Detroit from 2010 and onward...

                                                              Would you please clarify to me how winning the lottery 3 times allowed Fitzgerald to:
                                                              - completely reshape the D corps
                                                              - develop late round picks like Bratt, Zetterlund, Sharangovich, Bastian and Schmid into key contributors of varying degrees
                                                              - flipping picks, prospects and roster players for impact players like Meier, Toffoli, Vanecek, Marino, Graves and Siegenthaler
                                                              ... and still maintain a top 5 prospect pool in the league.
                                                              How does that work exactly?

                                                              I mean, what's stopping Yzerman from doing exactly that (as opposed to commiting 26.5m of his cap dollars to elite names such as Vrana, Chiarot, Copp, Compher, Husso and Holl)?


                                                              This was an absolutely hilarious waste of your time. None of your bullsh*t replaces the fact that you tanked deliberately for years and the league rewarded you for it. Someday you'll have to waste half a page describing why you " earned" all those lottery wins from the 6 spot over the teams and their fan bases that finished lower than you. What a self justifying pile of crap. Your management group didn't do anything extraordinary except tank to win the lottery. And its the absolute height of arrogance to pretend that somehow your team did something that no one else can do. There's nothing worse than someone whose been ridiculously lucky bragging about how good they are when they didn't earn it. Just be happy you got the players you did and enjoy your team. Don't act you did something special to get here.
                                                              Aug. 30, 2023 at 3:11 p.m.
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                                                              do not Devil my ass
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                                                              Quoting: RedWing9119
                                                              This was an absolutely hilarious waste of your time. None of your bullsh*t replaces the fact that you tanked deliberately for years and the league rewarded you for it. Someday you'll have to waste half a page describing why you " earned" all those lottery wins from the 6 spot over the teams and their fan bases that finished lower than you. What a self justifying pile of crap. Your management group didn't do anything extraordinary except tank to win the lottery. And its the absolute height of arrogance to pretend that somehow your team did something that no one else can do. There's nothing worse than someone whose been ridiculously lucky bragging about how good they are when they didn't earn it. Just be happy you got the players you did and enjoy your team. Don't act you did something special to get here.

                                                              >claims NJD is only in a good position cus of lottery luck
                                                              >calls me arrogant for pointing out a multitude of non-lottery moves
                                                              Thanks for the laugh champ.
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                                                              Aug. 30, 2023 at 4:46 p.m.
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                                                              Quoting: RedWing9119
                                                              This was an absolutely hilarious waste of your time. None of your bullsh*t replaces the fact that you tanked deliberately for years and the league rewarded you for it. Someday you'll have to waste half a page describing why you " earned" all those lottery wins from the 6 spot over the teams and their fan bases that finished lower than you. What a self justifying pile of crap. Your management group didn't do anything extraordinary except tank to win the lottery. And its the absolute height of arrogance to pretend that somehow your team did something that no one else can do. There's nothing worse than someone whose been ridiculously lucky bragging about how good they are when they didn't earn it. Just be happy you got the players you did and enjoy your team. Don't act you did something special to get here.


                                                              Devils have had plenty of luck in lottery, but it’s not like it’s the only thing going on. We drafted guys like Bratt, Schmid, Sharangovich late…we acquired good players like Siegenthaler, Marino, Graves, Vanecek cheaply…we took big swings on guys like Hamilton, Meier…and drafted against consensus when we took guys like Hischier, Mukhamadullin….sold guys like Palmieri, Coleman, Severson at a premium compared to expectations…and have developed guys like Bahl, McLeod, Bastian into solid NHLers.

                                                              “Management didn't do anything but tank to win the lottery” is one of the most ill-informed takes I have seen on here in a while.
                                                              Aug. 30, 2023 at 6:40 p.m.
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                                                              Quoting: NHLfan10506
                                                              Devils have had plenty of luck in lottery, but it’s not like it’s the only thing going on. We drafted guys like Bratt, Schmid, Sharangovich late…we acquired good players like Siegenthaler, Marino, Graves, Vanecek cheaply…we took big swings on guys like Hamilton, Meier…and drafted against consensus when we took guys like Hischier, Mukhamadullin….sold guys like Palmieri, Coleman, Severson at a premium compared to expectations…and have developed guys like Bahl, McLeod, Bastian into solid NHLers.

                                                              “Management didn't do anything but tank to win the lottery” is one of the most ill-informed takes I have seen on here in a while.


                                                              Wow so you want a pat on the back because you were able to surround the franchise altering talent you were handed in the draft lottery with a few good players? Well then kudos, you guys are the best.
                                                              Aug. 30, 2023 at 6:43 p.m.
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                                                              Quoting: RedWing9119
                                                              you guys are the best.


                                                              Thanks
                                                              Aug. 30, 2023 at 9:05 p.m.
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                                                              Quoting: RedWing9119
                                                              This was an absolutely hilarious waste of your time. None of your bullsh*t replaces the fact that you tanked deliberately for years and the league rewarded you for it. Someday you'll have to waste half a page describing why you " earned" all those lottery wins from the 6 spot over the teams and their fan bases that finished lower than you. What a self justifying pile of crap. Your management group didn't do anything extraordinary except tank to win the lottery. And its the absolute height of arrogance to pretend that somehow your team did something that no one else can do. There's nothing worse than someone whose been ridiculously lucky bragging about how good they are when they didn't earn it. Just be happy you got the players you did and enjoy your team. Don't act you did something special to get here.


                                                              Isn't that what rebuilding teams do though? They tank deliberately at the beginning of the rebuild so they can stock up on elite talent. The devil's management also did a great job developing later round picks ( this is coming from a person who is not a devil's fan). So, the management didn't just win a couple lotteries, they developed numerous non lottery players into good NHL players and used assets wisely to improve the current state of the team to make them a playoff contender
                                                              Aug. 31, 2023 at 10:02 a.m.
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                                                              I Love J Boqvist
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                                                              Quoting: RedWing9119
                                                              Wow so you want a pat on the back because you were able to surround the franchise altering talent you were handed in the draft lottery with a few good players? Well then kudos, you guys are the best.


                                                              Weep as yzerman continues to overpay mid UFAs
                                                               
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