Minnesota declines both deals, especially on cap reasons

Don’t know why you’d pay that much for brock Nelson

lmao what.


rossi hasnt done a thing since being drafted. Ok hes 22 when the season starts and has had one near ppg season in the AHL? Then an assist in 19 games lmao.

Brock is a near 40 goal scorer with 2 years left on a great deal. Gonna take more than Rossi and a pick that likely wont be an NHL player!

What?

Brock Nelson would get quite a bit more than this

Brock didn't break out until he was 27. When he was Rossi's age, he had worse production in the AHL and didn't make his NHL debut until his 22 year old season, which as you said yourself, Rossi is just entering now. And by the way, during that season, Nelson had 26 points in 72 games.

Want to set the O/U on Rossi at 26 points this year? I'll take that bet with you.

I can appreciate you or anyone else not having interest in a Rossi trade - no issue there. But when you try and spin it like he's some certified bust at 21, it just really doesn't hold up and you look naive.

If Caps sell at the deadline I could see them doing this.

That's objectively false and factually false too.

Rossi has had both a near PPG season two seasons ago, his first season back after missing an entire year's worth of crucial development time, and a PPG season this past season.

That's TWO seasons of being either near or at a PPG down in the AHL. Not one. Maybe you misspoke.

Furthermore, Nelson is already 31. And has only had a season over 60/70 points once in his career. He's worth a lot, but he's not worth a considered A-level top 30 prospect and a 1st. If Rossi is swapped out for a lesser prospect. Likely one of Bankier, Petrovský, Kumpulainen, or Hunt. Maybe the Isles could potentially talk up to either Stramel or Addison, but that's it. Plus a roster piece to make the cap work, maybe Foligno.

Then you're more realistically around what a package for a 30 year old, 60'ish point center costs. Getting any of Rossi or any another A-level top 30 prospects back for Nelson is wishful thinking.

Too bad Minnesota doesn't consider this.

They've no interest in Kuzy. None.

This would be a seriously bad idea

They would especially with half eaten salary.

You guys are incredibly high on Rossi lmao. Hes not a top 35 forward prospect. Not worth trading a player who is not available and very hard to come by. Brock scoring on around a 40 goal pace these past few years on a terrible offensive team. He did this with Pierre Engvall, Beauvillier, Josh Bailey, etc. Players who arent good.

You need more than a prospect who is B, B+ at most...

And ill gladly name all the guys i got ahead of him too

Also something that is factually false is also objectively false-- no need to be redundant. And idek where i was false. Brock is around a 40 goal scorer and Rossi isa ppg play---- oh wait hes not even that. Hes just shy of it, but i still said he was!

And look guys, I really like Rossi. Im just saying NYI doesnt do this without getting someone who could be at Brock's level in return.

You should delete this ridiculousness!!

He was ranked #30 on Scott Wheeler's top 50 prospects list at the Athletic.

Wheeler's Top 50 drafted prospects list

He was ranked #62 on Pronman's U-23 list, which includes NHL players. They're were just under 30 NHL players on said list. Making Rossi roughly equivalent to a top 30 prospect in Pronman's eyes as well. And that's with the caveat that Pronman is a known disliker of Rossi.

Pronman's U-23 best players/prospects list

Name whatever prospects you want ahead of him. The professional prospect analysts from the Athletic disagree with you.

Okay i was 4-5 spots off of where they had him lmao? Thanks for comparing me to these guys. Hell i could have him 30 and my opinion wouldnt change. An A prospect is top 10-12 or so imo, fluctuating based on each years graduates and draft class. Its just not worth it for me to move Brock right now for that return. Make it Rossi and Heidt (F75 on my list) or Stramel (F87) and it could change things a bit but Rossi and a likely late 2nd where we could get a guy who wouldnt crack my top 10 for forwards doesnt make it worth it.

By saying he wasn't even within a top 35 prospect ranking, you insinuated that he doesn't belong there or isn't an A-level prospect. He is, and general consensus disagrees with you. He falls under the top 30 category by professional analysts, which puts him squarely into A-level prospect territory by every standardized practice and evaluation methodology used by professionals.

A-level prospects are typically considered anything within the top 50. Top 15-20 are considered A+, 16-30 are considered A-level even, 31-50 are considered A- prospects. With variations of numbering between years.

51-100 are typically considered B-level prospects. With the same plus minus grading system attached to that structure.

Anything outside the top 100 are typically considered C-E level talent.

Getting anything out of the top 50 is absolutely out of the question for someone of Nelson's age, contract status, and overall career history of production. So, good luck with that.

Well nobody has him top 50 prospects, just a bit worse than 30th for frowards! Youre confusing yourself lol.

Overall history? Who gaf lol 3 years sample sizes are way better. You gonna judge Carter Verhaege and say hes gonna score 10-15 goals only because of his history? No lmao what.

If Brock is so bad, then we will keep him. He means way more to this team than you even realize. And im not saying this for everyone. Take Romanov, Pageau, Palmieri, Cizikas, etc. IDC about those guys, but Brock won us a handful of games this year alone

No, I'm not confused.

I literally just linked a written article yesterday in this thread from a professional prospect analyst who DID IN POINT OF FACT list him as a top 30 PROSPECT. Not just as a forward prospect, but in terms of overall prospects. Wheeler's prospect list includes both forwards and defenseman. That list had Rossi ranked #30 out of the 50 top prospects in the league.

That isn't nobody. That's at least one somebody. Which makes your statement factually incorrect. Again, I'll take their word over yours, given they do this for a living and are well regarded and respected in the professional scouting community.

You don't want to move Nelson, that's fine. I'm literally advocating for Minnesota to NOT make this trade. As he's not worth it. It's too much to pay for a 30+ year old 2nd-line center that Minnesota CANNOT afford anyway.

And as for the 3-year data usage versus an entire careers worth of data. That's useful only when any player is under 30. Once they're roughly 27-28 as a forward, they are who they are. They can have good seasons beyond that, even past their age 30 seasons. But that doesn't make them better than their career averages.

Marcus Foligno isn't a middle-six 50 point player just because he's had a couple seasons close to that in his 30's. Eric Staal wasn't/isn't a 40 goal scorer despite doing it twice in his career, his career average is 22 goals per an 82 game schedule. Mats Zuccarello isn't an 80 point player, he just has unreal chemistry with Kaprizov and benefits from that.

The odds of Nelson not maintaining this scoring pace are much more likely then him keeping it up. Not when he's already 31 years old. Any team acquiring him is going to be well aware of his career averages and will be concerned over his ability to keep up and maintain his current pace.

Okay well if he is so bad, we will keep him. Youre so lost its not even funny. IDGAF what some dude online says lmao i have my own way of evaluating prospects. Ive been dead on with most of my picks. I had Maccelli as a darkhorse calder winner and Nolan Patrick as a bust (not as bad as he has actually been tho closer to a 50 or so point guy who plays middle 6)

Obviously im not perfect but using a subjective analysis to argue with me about how youre factually right is just stupid. Goodbye dude