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Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 6, 2023
Published: Sep. 6, 2023
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https://www.hockeypatrol.com/Rumor-Canucks-Interested-in-a-trade-with-Maple-Leafs-involving-William-Nylander-272935
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TOR
  1. Boeser, Brock
  2. Lekkerimäki, Jonathan
  3. 2024 1st round pick (VAN)
  4. 2024 3rd round pick (VAN)
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1st is top 10 protected
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  1. Nylander, William
  2. 2025 5th round pick (TOR)
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Nylander 8 year extension

https://www.hockeypatrol.com/Rumor-Canucks-Interested-in-a-trade-with-Maple-Leafs-involving-William-Nylander-272935
That is where I saw the rumor
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Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:01 a.m.
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Edited Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:07 a.m.
Quoting: NucksExec
Nylander is better but Boeser has a better shot.

If you play Matthews and Boeser at the ends of the umbrella on the PP you'll have two of the top 12 shooters in the league. One lefty and one righty so both very dangerous. If they cheat on Matthews then Boeser could score 50+ goals easy.

Not sure if this is the time to experiment but it would be an interesting one. Leafs have been. A great possession team that's lacked the finishing touch when it matters most. Boeser has that.


Idk about Boeser having a better shot since Nylander has an amazing shot especially after Boeser's injury. Nylander is also RHDed. The difference in speed wouldn't be worth the drop off.

I would imagine Boeser's production would drop (unless he xan get faster) as a Leaf since the system relies on being able to skate, and having Tavares + Boeser on a line wouldn't be great.

A lot seem to think that getting Beauvillier and another pick is better because they think Vancouver would still be bad which I doubt, best case scenario is probably that the Leafs are drafting 10-15 and likely aren't getting thst RHD they are dreaming of.
Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:03 a.m.
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I like Schneider, there is no analytic for nastiness, compete or the fear guys have when he is on the ice…he is a Trouba in the making.


That's fair. Definitely a lot analytics don't say. I admittedly haven't seen him play more than 20 games.
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Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:10 a.m.
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Idk about Boeser having a better shot since Nylander has an amazing shot and he's also RHDed. The difference in speed wouldn't be worth the drop off.

I would imagine Boeser's production would drop (unless he xan get faster) as a Leaf since the system relies on being able to skate, and having Tavares + Boeser on a line wouldn't be great.

A lot seem to think that getting Beauvillier and another pick is better because they think Vancouver would still be bad which I doubt, best case scenario is probably that the Leafs are drafting 10-15 and likely aren't getting thst RHD they are dreaming of.


Boeser has a way way better shot.

He has 3 seasons with a shooting percentage higher than 16% Matthews has done it 4 times, Nylander has never done it.

He's been getting about 200 shots a year on the Canucks. Nylander and Matthews both get around 300 on the Leafs. (obviously partly to do with their own playdriving ability).

If being on the Leafs can get Boeser to 300 shots at a 16% scoring rate that's 48 goals.

Again lots of assumptions. Just saying he'd be an interesting player to see on Toronto.
Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:17 a.m.
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Canucks have no business throwing big assets for a pending UFA winger. They literally traded their captain because he wanted a lot of money. Nylander is even more money hungry
Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:20 a.m.
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If we can get Nylander on a deal around 9M or ideally less, then this has legs.
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Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:21 a.m.
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Quoting: GMBL
Idk about Boeser having a better shot since Nylander has an amazing shot especially after Boeser's injury. Nylander is also RHDed. The difference in speed wouldn't be worth the drop off.

I would imagine Boeser's production would drop (unless he xan get faster) as a Leaf since the system relies on being able to skate, and having Tavares + Boeser on a line wouldn't be great.

A lot seem to think that getting Beauvillier and another pick is better because they think Vancouver would still be bad which I doubt, best case scenario is probably that the Leafs are drafting 10-15 and likely aren't getting thst RHD they are dreaming of.


The dream RHD is needed now so my idea is they flip the pick ASAP.
Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:25 a.m.
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Quoting: NucksExec
That's fair. Definitely a lot analytics don't say. I admittedly haven't seen him play more than 20 games.


I’ve seen less and I did see some of what the analytics point to…at times he looks like the next Holl but at times the next Trouba.
Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:35 a.m.
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Boeser has a way way better shot.

He has 3 seasons with a shooting percentage higher than 16% Matthews has done it 4 times, Nylander has never done it.

He's been getting about 200 shots a year on the Canucks. Nylander and Matthews both get around 300 on the Leafs. (obviously partly to do with their own playdriving ability).

If being on the Leafs can get Boeser to 300 shots at a 16% scoring rate that's 48 goals.

Again lots of assumptions. Just saying he'd be an interesting player to see on Toronto.


Boeser hasn't come anywhere close to 16% in the last two seasons, he's looked like a whole different player. You missed my edit but like I said especially after injuring his hand, I would really question it. I would say his shooting has gotten worse over the years, while Nylander's accuracy has improved.

Just for the record, Boeser really only has 2-seasons of 16% shooting percentage, he definitely was capable of shooting at that high percentage early on in his career but I wouldn't really count 9 games. Nylander does have a 15.7% season with a high shot total as well.

I do get where your head is at with the Leafs getting Boeser, but somehow I doubt he will be utilized that way (maybe he will get fed looks when he's considered the new guy) just based on how Nylander wasn't really prioritized as the 2nd option on the PP. That being said Leafs do have a new PP coach, so you're right there are a lot of assumptions to be made. My biggest concern though would be Boeser's 5v5 production if he can't find his legs again.


Edit: Considering that Nylander's playoff shooting percentage is better than Matthews', I don't think they get better by removing the guy who's been getting them goals to improve their post-season production.
Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:38 a.m.
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Canucks have to much money committed to the wings already so I cant seem them being interested, if their going to spend it would/should be on centers or defense. Value is more than fair though.
Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:41 a.m.
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The dream RHD is needed now so my idea is they flip the pick ASAP.


Who's available though? Probably no one who is worth having that drop-off up front.
Sep. 7, 2023 at 12:50 a.m.
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Hard to see him getting less the only centers with 100 points in the last 5 years are

Crosby
Matthews
McDavid
Mackinnon
Draisaitl

Bruce said on NHL Network that Pettersson views himself in the Matthews/McDavid tier. Friedman said similar.

Unless he has a real bad year even just the one 100 point season as a center puts him in a different class to any other comparables under $12M.


Even with a bad year, as long as he's their 1 or 2-point forward producer with around PPG production, he should be able to easily command 10.75M+ on a long-term deal just because he's their 1C and you have guys like Mikheyev and Garland making ~5M for 50pts or less. I would say the bare minimum is the Aho deal + 1M (Vancouver premium).
Sep. 7, 2023 at 1:24 a.m.
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Hard to see him getting less the only centers with 100 points in the last 5 years are

Crosby
Matthews
McDavid
Mackinnon
Draisaitl



Stamkos.
Sep. 7, 2023 at 1:28 a.m.
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Not sure if this is the time to experiment
but it would be an interesting one. Leafs have been. A great possession team that's lacked the finishing touch when it matters most. Boeser has that.


Unless you're multiple goals up in the cup clinching game it is always time to experiment.
Sep. 7, 2023 at 5:18 a.m.
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It's a great move for Vancouver if they want to try and retain Petterson, it's a great move for the leafs if they don't want to lose Nylander for nothing..
Sep. 7, 2023 at 7:09 a.m.
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I think it is a rumour? Even if this guy just made it up, it’s now a rumour?

And Boesser is just fine, at half his AAV or maybe less? I don’t think one sucks if they can score 20 in the NHL?


A rumor when they mattered was when an actual insider had information about a potential trade. Made up nonsense isn't a rumor it's speculation and idle chit chat.

And yes you can score 20 and not be good. When you can't skate and are horrible defensively you can cost your team more than you help them. That's Boeser
Sep. 7, 2023 at 7:12 a.m.
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Nylander is better but Boeser has a better shot.

If you play Matthews and Boeser at the ends of the umbrella on the PP you'll have two of the top 12 shooters in the league. One lefty and one righty so both very dangerous. If they cheat on Matthews then Boeser could score 50+ goals easy.

Not sure if this is the time to experiment but it would be an interesting one. Leafs have been. A great possession team that's lacked the finishing touch when it matters most. Boeser has that.


If you play Boeser with anyone on TO, he's at centre ice while the rest of the team is already in their zone trying to attack while their pylon linemates is too slow to get into position.

Toronto plays a fast pace game, Boeser has no pace.

And once again you are trying to argue that Boeser has a better shot than Willy but has never had a 30 goal season and Willy is coming off a 40 goal season. Oh yeah and 4 goals in 17 playoff games. Stop trying to justify this nonsense
Sep. 7, 2023 at 7:17 a.m.
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Honestly this looks pretty valid if VAN aren’t retooling. Boeser is definitely underrated, he’s a pretty good player. Then there is a good prospect and mid first round pick. Value is good but not wild, I think it’s decently fair


Boeser is not underrated. Vancouver literally can't move him without a sweetener this has been widely reported. He can't skate and is an empty calorie scorer. Rides coattails
Sep. 7, 2023 at 7:19 a.m.
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Idk about Boeser having a better shot since Nylander has an amazing shot especially after Boeser's injury. Nylander is also RHDed. The difference in speed wouldn't be worth the drop off.

I would imagine Boeser's production would drop (unless he xan get faster) as a Leaf since the system relies on being able to skate, and having Tavares + Boeser on a line wouldn't be great.

A lot seem to think that getting Beauvillier and another pick is better because they think Vancouver would still be bad which I doubt, best case scenario is probably that the Leafs are drafting 10-15 and likely aren't getting thst RHD they are dreaming of.


The thing no one seems to understand is our top 6 is so good because we have 3 guys that are crazy good at getting the puck up ice under control. Marner and Matthews are good at it but Nylander is one of the best in the game. Losing him massively damages our depth. JT would suffer big time.
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Sep. 7, 2023 at 7:19 a.m.
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Canucks have no business throwing big assets for a pending UFA winger. They literally traded their captain because he wanted a lot of money. Nylander is even more money hungry


And better
Sep. 7, 2023 at 7:25 a.m.
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Boeser is not underrated. Vancouver literally can't move him without a sweetener this has been widely reported. He can't skate and is an empty calorie scorer. Rides coattails


Still a 60 point guy on a non playoff team🤷‍♂️. Cry about how bad he is, but you prove my point that he’s underrated
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Sep. 7, 2023 at 7:26 a.m.
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Still a 60 point guy on a non playoff team🤷‍♂️. Cry about how bad he is, but you prove my point that he’s underrated


A 60 point guy riding coattails while being terrible defensively. He's Vancouver's problem
Sep. 7, 2023 at 7:27 a.m.
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Still a 60 point guy on a non playoff team🤷‍♂️. Cry about how bad he is, but you prove my point that he’s underrated


No you are overrated him based off points while ignoring everything else he lacks.
Sep. 7, 2023 at 7:29 a.m.
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No you are overrated him based off points while ignoring everything else he lacks.


Points don’t cone without talent. Everyone is hating on a half decent player
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Sep. 7, 2023 at 7:36 a.m.
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Points don’t cone without talent. Everyone is hating on a half decent player


Half decent when riding shotgun to Petterson. Only scored 18 goals last year. He offers no transition play, no defensive play and no pace due to his poor skating. Where does that fit in TO? At the expense of Nylander? And costs more than 6 million a year? This weakens the team and now they have 6+ million in dead cap.

This is a garbage trade.
Sep. 7, 2023 at 10:48 a.m.
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And better


Still not worth it for a winger
 
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