Jones likely declines

Can't believe Nashville would give up three starters for one year of Nylander.
Ain't no way Ducks would be on Brodie's trade list.

Seems highly doubtful that he would decline the chance to join a cup contender in his prime to stay in this rebuild.

They are free to begin negotiations as soon as the Leafs give the go ahead and Nashville is a desirable place to play with the cap room. Brodie has 22 teams he would have to accept a trade to, not unlikely Anaheim would be among them.

Funny, because when he was traded from Columbus, he said he won't play for a Canadian team

Source? Because I keep hearing this but don't see the evidence. This would have been a lot more relevant during covid as well.

Minnesota declines

It's been widely reported that he was unwilling to entertain offers in Canada.

You'd be surprised apparently how many players won't play in Canada. Most importantly, the tax penalty, especially when they agreed to a contract based on taxes where the team they negotiated with is based; in this case, Illinois income tax is under 5%.

If it was widely reported it should be easy to find a source. It's not widely reported because it's bull****, his D partner just waived to come to Toronto last year.

Claiming that it's widely reported seems unsubstantiated. I've personally never come across any credible sources indicating that Seth Jones is unwilling to play for a Canadian team. In order to clarify this matter, could you kindly share the source of this information if you have one?


For anyone curious about the actual tax numbers...
Chicago, Illinois:
City Income Tax (Chicago) is 2.25% for all taxpayers: $9,500,000 * 0.0225 = $213,750
State Income Tax (Illinois) is 4.95% for all taxpayers: $9,500,000 * 0.0495 = $470,250
Federal Income Tax (U.S.) is progressive and ~37% for income over $523,600: ($9,500,000 - $523,600) * 0.37 + ($523,600 * 0.35) = $3,436,190
Total Income Tax to play in Chicago = $470,250 + $213,750 + $3,436,190 = $4,120,190

Toronto, Ontario:
Municipal Income Tax is 0% as Toronto does not have its own separate municipal income tax.
Provincial Income Tax for Ontario's is 20.63% for income over $220,000: ($9,500,000 - $220,000) * 0.2063 + ($220,000 * 0.1505) = $1,896,585.50
Federal Income Tax in Canada is progressive and ~33% for income over $214,368: ($9,500,000 - $214,368) * 0.33 + ($214,368 * 0.15) = $3,023,975
Total Income Tax to play in Toronto is Federal Income Tax + Provincial Income Tax = $3,023,975 + $1,896,585.50 = $4,920,560.50

So the difference between Chicago and Toronto is $4,120,190-$4,920,560.50= -$800,370.50

That amount can easily be offset with a smart accountant by putting it into certain investments, businesses, charities, etc.

Not objecting to the nashville trade on value as i think it is more fair than typical. Just dont think Nashville is the place for Nylander as they have bigger problems then wingers.

I don't remember anything specifically saying "No Canada" but I do remember that he was only interested in Dallas, Chicago, or possibly Colorado. Which by extrapolation excludes Canada.

As I have said before, I don't one time when Cup contender allowed a star player to negotiate a future contract one full year of his contract expiring. Even if the trade is fair, the fact that Leafs have tope Nylander he's not wanted on the team, and what happens if negotiations break down, then Nylander is "stuck" being a Leaf for a full season.
Sorry, this is the reason I don't think the type trades even happen

It was widely reported at the time he said he wasn't extending in Columbus. You can do some searching if you'd like, but as mentioned before, it's not that uncommon.

You aren't understanding the income tax rate. All Illinois residents pay 4.95%...there is no additive Chicago income tax rate for personal income tax. And don't argue with people that live/lived in Chicago please. Yes, there is a proposal on the table with the city council to levy a city income tax, but unlikely to pass.

Furthermore, the games played by professional athletes in each state are taxed at the individual state income rates. So half of the games are taxed at Illinois rates while the rest are taxed at all the states the Blackhawks played in.

Lastly, for you to say $800K (and that number is wrong) can be offset is laughable! It matters and additionally can be offset anywhere, not just Canada, so it's a mute point anyway.

LMAO what does his D partner have to do with him?

A similar narrative was drawn up about his D partner. Anyway, I don't need to be coming up with reasons to refute something we both know you made up. Jones never said that, full stop. That means you lied, and sticking with a lie when we all know you're wrong and have the power of the internet to prove it ruins your credibility moving forward,

We can all make up whatever facts we want, but once you decide to do that your word means nothing. Just be honest, that's all people ask,

You only need to look as far as the exact player we're trading for in this deal:

"Blackhawks general manager Stan Bowman said they would not have made the trade for the 26-year-old if they didn't "have confidence that we would be able to extend him.""

You can't sign the player until the trade is complete, but you're delusional if you think these things aren't discussed before trades like this are made. Their "cup contender" status has nothing to do with it if they believe the trade improves their team and don't believe re-signing Willy is in the books. You need to get over this and try to provide some meaningful input on the actual trade value once in awhile.

Again, this is false unless you can provide an actual source other than you "remembering". Thankfully the internet serves as a dependable enough data base that we don't need to rely on the memory of biased fans looking to further a narrative which does not exist. Not only is it wrong, but you've extrapolated from an incorrect statement that even if true would not support your conclusion. Otherwise, your logic would imply that he was not only uninterested in Canada, but also California, Florida, New York, Carolina, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, Michigan, etc... you see my point.

Let's just make this very simple by clearly stating the UNEQUIVOCAL FACT he never said this; no amount of mental gymnastics can show otherwise.

Sorry, the Cup contender clause I mentioned has everything to do with it. Can you think of one instance....just one, when a Cup contender allowed a star player to negotiate a contract with another team, one full season away from when his contract. You need to get over your thought that this happens. But I know you won't cause making a silly trade is more important to you than logic and history.
Now I will agree with you if the Leafs could trade Nylander and get value out of the trade for this season they would do, as would the other team. But to have a negotiated sign and trade as part of the trade won't happen, never has.

Florida was a cup contender and traded away a top line forward and a top pairing defenseman both on expiring contracts, both of whom immediately signed afterwards. It would be up to the Leafs whether or not they'd allow those talks to take place and if they felt it would improve their team to do so then of course they would.

C'mon man, how can you compare the two.. You're just making stuff up. Huberdeau and Weager were NEVER in negotiations with the Flames before the trade was made. Why wouldn't the players sign those contracts? A big overpay in $$$ and term that no other team would offer in free agency the following summer. Flames would have been thousand times better off, having 16.25m in free cap this summer than signing those two guys. I don't how Trevling got another GM job after those signings.

A big overpay in $$$ and term, exactly what Nylander is asking for you mean? Also, neither was an overpay at the time, especially Weegar. Treliving just lost Gaudreau for nothing and Tkachuk was unwilling to sign. Given Calgary's competitive window, the fact he was able to get the return he did was incredible, and resigning them was a no-brainer.

You seem to be forgetting Huberdeau was coming fresh off a season where he finished SECOND IN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE IN POINTS. In the 3 years leading up to that contract he scored at the same rate as Marner who is already paid more and will be getting a raise very shortly. The only players who scored at a higher rate than him in those 9 years with a minimum of 100 games played were Kane, Marchand, Matthews, Panarin, MacKinnon, Kucherov, Draisatl, and McDavid. He was tied for 9th in the entire league in PPG, while Willy was 61st...

He was and still is Calgary's only double digit salary player, yet you think his contract is bad while arguing to sign Willy at $9.5 x 8 after his first PPG season, when we already have 3 other double digit salaries on the roster. Any sane person would have signed that Huberdeau contract, one that was more than fair value based on comparables.

Not to mention he also had a 1C who he signed at less than 5 mil who was coming off a year where he posted 42 goals and placed 2nd in Selke voting. Your thinking is so backwards it's unbelievable.

McCabe never said that. You're making this up. It's widely talked on podcasts and reports that Jones had no interest in playing in Canada. He had 4 or 5 teams he wanted to go to, and none were Canada full stop. It's widely known in circles here. Just because you lack the knowledge, don't start making up stories and calling people liars. There's a reason your comments haven't even garnered 20% likes...look in the mirror kid

"Elliotte Friedman says he’s not convinced D Jake McCabe wants to be in Canada at all, and his 7 team no trade clause may be every Canadian team."

I never claimed McCabe said that, I was pointing to the same narrative that surrounded him. If anything, I'm the one arguing that he never said that and it was proven true.

I'm making stuff up now? Are you for real? There's literally ZERO EVIDENCE that Jones ever said this, because he DIDN'T SAY IT. You keep saying it's widely known yet there's no evidence of it whatsoever. Is there some kind of message decoder we need to acquire this secret knowledge only Hawks fans seem to have?

I'm calling you a liar because YOU"RE LYING, it's really quite simple. You know when you're a kid and your parents catch you in a lie, but give you the opportunity to come clean? The kid knows he's lying, the parents know he's lying, the kid knows the parents know, so the only option for any person with character would be to come clean. Otherwise, you're still a liar but also lack the character to admit you're wrong.

You're not a kid and I'm not your parents, so if you want to stand by your clear lie despite knowing there's zero evidence to support it, then by all means dude - you've really got us all fooled!

Now you're going to reference my lack of likes as evidence to support your lie? How about just provide one single example of something that's been "widely reported", it should be pretty easy no? You can't of course, because it's a lie. So the only answer to that in your view is to continue being scummy by trying to manipulate the truth.

Shame on you, that's absolutely pathetic and you don't deserve the time of day. Farewell kid!

Freidman is a hack...he's wrong way more than right.

You can find 2 dozen plus users here who knew at the time Jones didn't want to sign an extension in Canada. Now, instead of calling people liars like a child, find evidence to support otherwise. It's not some made-up narrative when Hawks and Columbus fans all heard the same and articulate that.

Less than 20% upvotes because you are shoveling a bunch of crap here, trolling for arguments. Hawks decline this trade, and so does Jones as like a lot of US players, Jones probably has zero interest playing in Canada as he did historically, and more importantly paying extra taxes on their long term agreements; Jones is literally loosing $850K a year to play for the Leafs....think before you emotionally react. Logic prevails kid