If Yzerman had traded Larkin Bertuzzi and Vrana at the 2022 TDL

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Created by: ItsAlwaysSunnyInDetroit

Team: 2023-24 Detroit Red Wings

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 22, 2023

Published: Sep. 22, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Detroit went 7-10-3 after the 22 deadline. 4-7-3 with Larkin in the lineup, 6-8-3 with Bertuzzi and 7-10-3 with Vrana. They all scored exactly a point per game they played after the deadline in which Detroit earned at least 1 point, with Larkin scoring 2 goals in 7, Bertuzzi 4 goals in 9 and Vrana 8 goals in 10! They finished 14 points from a top 3 finish and 11 points from a top 5 finish. I think it's safe to say they would have finished a couple spots lower without those 3 in the lineup and Pius Suter as Detroit's #1C for 20 games.

It's hard to say what would have happened in 22-23 if Yzerman had decided to pull the plug at the previous deadline. He still had to ice a team that's not going to get absolutely crated 82 times, just for the sake of the young guys. Plus they would have had to spend something crazy like 40-45 million just to reach the cap floor without those 3. Of course, there's the other side of it where, who's going to want to sign long term with a team that is so obviously tanking hard for Bedard. Maybe Stevie gets in on a couple cap dumps? In real life they signed Husso, Czarnik, Kubalik, Maatta, Copp, Perron, Chiarot, Luff, Pysyk, Hagg, Doucet, Lethemon, Sprong, Reimer, Holl, Gettinger, Kostin, Lyon, Rafferty, Compher, Gostisbehere, Fischer, and Stevens. In my fantasy world I'm going to pretend they don't sign Chiarot, Perron or Reimer but add Monahan, Mrazek and McDonagh as cap dumps.

Detroit finished 21 points from a top 3 finish and 12 points from a top 5 finish in 23. They went 28-24-8 before Bertuzzi got traded, 17-9-3 with him in the lineup. Vrana obviously was not a factor in Detroit's season, but Larkin had a fantastic year. I'm going to pretend they got a top 5 pick in 22 and a top 3 pick in 23. I'm not going to speculate who they trade Larkin, Bertuzzi and Vrana to, but I'm going to assume they got at least 3 mid to late 1sts and 3 2nds for the 3 of them. All in 22 and 23.

22 Draft
#5 instead of #8: Jiricek
#20: Miroshnichenko
#25 instead of #40 (Mrazek trade): Kulich
#52: Buchelnikov
#105: Johansson
#113: Lombardi
#129: Kilpinen
#137: Mathurin
#201: Mehlenbacher
#212: Ali

23 Draft
#1 instead of #9: Bedard
#17: Moore
#23: Perreault
#27: Ritchie
#40: Cristall
#41: Augustine
#42: Gibson
#43: Nilsson
#48: Morin
#57: Dragicevic
#73: Dower Nilsson
#117: Cleveland
#137: Phelan
#169: Guimond
#201: Finnie

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST	YEARS	CAP HIT
Augustine, Trey	3	$950,000
Buchelnikov, Dmitri	3	$950,000
Buium, Shai	3	$950,000
Cleveland, Brady	3	$950,000
Dower Nilsson, Noah	3	$950,000
Dragicevic, Lukas	3	$950,000
Gibson, Andrew	3	$950,000
Johansson, Anton	3	$950,000
Moore, Oliver	3	$950,000
Morin, Étienne	3	$950,000
Nilsson, Felix	3	$950,000
Perreault, Gabe	3	$950,000
Ritchie, Calum	3	$950,000
Savage, Redmond	3	$950,000

Trades

DET

Either traded or not signed as free agents

ANA

DET

Jiricek, David

Additional Details:

Finished higher in standings due to Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana trades

CBJ

Kasper, Marco

DET

Miroshnichenko, Ivan

Additional Details:

Pick acquired in Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana trades

WSH

DET

Mrázek, Petr

Additional Details:

Pick # 25

CHI

James, Dylan [Reserve List]

Additional Details:

Traded pick #40 for Mrazek and #25

DET

Kulich, Jiri

Additional Details:

Pick acquired in Mrazek trade

BUF

DET

Bedard, Connor

Additional Details:

Finished higher in standings due to Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana trades

CHI

Danielson, Nate

DET

Moore, Oliver [Reserve List]

Additional Details:

Picked Moore instead of ASP due to Jiricek being in the system

CHI

Sandin Pellikka, Axel [Reserve List]

DET

Perreault, Gabe [Reserve List]

Additional Details:

Pick acquired in Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana trades

NYR

DET

Ritchie, Calum [Reserve List]

Additional Details:

Pick acquired in Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana trades

COL

10.

DET

Cristall, Andrew

Additional Details:

Pick acquired in Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana trades

WSH

11.

DET

Nilsson, Felix [Reserve List]

Additional Details:

Picked instead of trading down

NSH

12.

DET

Morin, Étienne [Reserve List]

Additional Details:

Pick acquired in Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana trades

CGY

13.

DET

Dragicevic, Lukas [Reserve List]

Additional Details:

Pick acquired in Larkin, Bertuzzi, Vrana trades

SEA

14.

DET

Picked Cleveland at 117 instead of trading down in the 2nd to get him

ANA

Keenan, Larry [Reserve List]

15.

DET

Monahan, Sean
2025 1st round pick (CGY)

MTL

16.

DET

McDonagh, Ryan

NSH

17.

DET

Picks not acquired due to Bertuzzi being traded at previous deadline

BOS

2024 1st round pick (BOS)
2025 4th round pick (BOS)

Buyouts

Justin Abdelkader: $1,055,556
Kailer Yamamoto: $433,334

Retained Salary Transactions

Jakub Vrána: $2,625,000 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

EMBED

TEXT-EMBED

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
37	$83,500,000	$95,240,972	$0	$9,712,500	-$11,740,972

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
DeBrincat, Alex $7,875,000$7,875,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Bedard, Connor $950,000$950,000 ($3,500,000$4M) C RFA - 3	Rasmussen, Michael $1,460,000$1,460,000 LW, C UFA - 1
Raymond, Lucas $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) RW, LW RFA - 1	Copp, Andrew $5,625,000$5,625,000 C, LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 4	Berggren, Jonatan $925,000$925,000 RW, LW RFA - 1
Fabbri, Robby $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW UFA - 2	Compher, J.T. $5,100,000$5,100,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 5	Sprong, Daniel $2,000,000$2,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Söderblom, Elmer $878,333$878,333 ($57,500$58K) LW, C RFA - 2	Monahan, Sean $1,985,000$1,985,000 ($15,000$15K) C, LW, RW UFA - 1	Kostin, Klim $2,000,000$2,000,000 LW, RW RFA - 2
	Veleno, Joseph $825,000$825,000 C RFA - 1	Fischer, Christian $1,125,000$1,125,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Walman, Jake $3,400,000$3,400,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Seider, Moritz $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 1	Husso, Ville $4,750,000$4,750,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
McDonagh, Ryan $6,750,000$6,750,000 LD NTC UFA - 3	Gostisbehere, Shayne $4,125,000$4,125,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Mrázek, Petr $3,800,000$3,800,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Määttä, Olli $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD UFA - 2	Holl, Justin $3,400,000$3,400,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3
	Petry, Jeff $2,343,750$2,343,750 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Buchelnikov, Dmitri $950,000$950,000 LW RFA	Buium, Shai $950,000$950,000 LD RFA	Augustine, Trey $950,000$950,000 G RFA
Cristall, Andrew $905,000$905,000 LW RFA - 4	Cleveland, Brady $950,000$950,000 LD RFA	Cossa, Sebastian $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) G RFA - 3
Doucet, Alexandre $870,000$870,000 ($80,000$80K) C RFA - 3	Dragicevic, Lukas $950,000$950,000 RD RFA
Dower Nilsson, Noah $950,000$950,000 LW RFA	Edvinsson, Simon $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) LD RFA - 3
Hanas, Cross $859,167$859,167 ($57,500$58K) LW RFA - 2	Gibson, Andrew $950,000$950,000 RD RFA
Kulich, Jiri $918,333$918,333 C, LW RFA - 4	Jiricek, David $918,333$918,333 ($1,000,000$1M) RD RFA - 3
Lombardi, Amadeus $838,333$838,333 ($105,000$105K) C RFA - 3	Johansson, Albert $820,000$820,000 ($82,500$82K) LD RFA - 1
Mazur, Carter $905,833$905,833 ($57,500$58K) LW RFA - 3	Johansson, Anton $950,000$950,000 RD RFA
Miroshnichenko, Ivan $950,000$950,000 ($500,000$500K) LW RFA - 3	Morin, Étienne $950,000$950,000 LD RFA
Moore, Oliver $950,000$950,000 C RFA	Tuomisto, Antti $867,500$867,500 ($57,500$58K) RD RFA - 2
Nilsson, Felix $950,000$950,000 C RFA	Wallinder, William $925,000$925,000 LD RFA - 3
Perreault, Gabe $950,000$950,000 RW RFA
Ritchie, Calum $950,000$950,000 C RFA
Savage, Redmond $950,000$950,000 C RFA

Sep. 22, 2023 at 3:24 p.m.

aedoran

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Seek help!

Sep. 22, 2023 at 3:28 p.m.

Jfstompers

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Are we sure Yzerman doesn't draft Carlsson over Bedard because he's more of a "200ft" center

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Sep. 22, 2023 at 3:38 p.m.

Czu8iks

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Oh my favourite, if we did that, and that will happen, then we should have done that, to use our knowledge of future and do that.

Sep. 22, 2023 at 4:26 p.m.

Tjm220

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As they say, if ifs and buts were trees and nuts then every day would be Christmas.

Sep. 22, 2023 at 4:31 p.m.

ItsAlwaysSunnyInDetroit

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Quoting: Jfstompers

Are we sure Yzerman doesn't draft Carlsson over Bedard because he's more of a "200ft" center

fair point

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Sep. 22, 2023 at 4:33 p.m.

ItsAlwaysSunnyInDetroit

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Quoting: Czu8iks

Oh my favourite, if we did that, and that will happen, then we should have done that, to use our knowledge of future and do that.

it's pretty easy to predict that if we trade our top 3 offensive players, captain and main play driver that we would be in the running for multiple 1sts overall. it doesn't take a crystal ball to figure that one out

Sep. 22, 2023 at 4:44 p.m.

Czu8iks

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Quoting: ItsAlwaysSunnyInDetroit

Then you win lottery, draft perfectly etc

Sep. 22, 2023 at 5:22 p.m.

SociallyHawkward

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This is a very long winded way of saying you wish the redwings were the Blackhawks. You guys had your however many years of making the playoffs. Now you get to suffer with whatever Yzerman is to make up there

Sep. 22, 2023 at 6:38 p.m.

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This site is great for visualizing what-ifs. Not the most realistic 1 I’ve seen but if you’ve got the time, I say enjoy playing around.

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