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Sabres push for playoffs

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Team: 2023-24 Buffalo Sabres
Initial Creation Date: Sep. 25, 2023
Published: Sep. 25, 2023
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8$7,500,000
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  1. Gibson, John ($2,000,000 retained)
  2. Zegras, Trevor [RFA Rights]
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  1. Jokiharju, Henri
  2. Krebs, Peyton
  3. Luukkonen, Ukko-Pekka
  4. Östlund, Noah
  5. 2024 1st round pick (BUF)
  6. 2025 2nd round pick (BUF)
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Sep. 25, 2023 at 3:01 p.m.
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Not eating 8 million on Gibsons contract, not trading him and Z for a bunch of middle of the lineup players.
Sep. 25, 2023 at 3:49 p.m.
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Not sure why all these AGM's thing Zegras would be traded for scraps. If he was to go to the Sabers, not out of the question if they asked for Cozens in return.
Sep. 25, 2023 at 4:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Fail4Nail
Not sure why all these AGM's thing Zegras would be traded for scraps. If he was to go to the Sabers, not out of the question if they asked for Cozens in return.


Cozens is the better player on what will probably be a cheaper contract. This is 3 first round assets + for a guy Ducks management offered a 4M contract to. Scraps is an odd way to look at that.
Sep. 25, 2023 at 4:13 p.m.
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Edited Sep. 25, 2023 at 4:38 p.m.
1- Sabres aren’t doing this

2- it’s very arguable whether or not these moves would help very much
Zegras is more of what we already have- he doesn’t play defense at all & we are already deep at forward
Gibson hasn’t been good in FIVE YEARS- that’s just a dumb idea, period
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Sep. 25, 2023 at 4:29 p.m.
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Quoting: Lsendel3
Cozens is the better player on what will probably be a cheaper contract. This is 3 first round assets + for a guy Ducks management offered a 4M contract to. Scraps is an odd way to look at that.


100% agree on Cozens. But i'm looking at this from Anaheim's perspective. I'm saying you're offering scraps because they're players of minimal value, for a top line center. Reasonable first line assets for Zegras would include Quinn, Savoie or Rosen.

Imagine the Ducks offer "first round assets" for Cozens and they offer Lundestrom, Max Jones and Jacob Perreault...
Sep. 25, 2023 at 4:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Fail4Nail
100% agree on Cozens. But i'm looking at this from Anaheim's perspective. I'm saying you're offering scraps because they're players of minimal value, for a top line center. Reasonable first line assets for Zegras would include Quinn, Savoie or Rosen.

Imagine the Ducks offer "first round assets" for Cozens and they offer Lundestrom, Max Jones and Jacob Perreault...


That’s typically how a trade with a rebuilding team goes, especially when it’s with a team who’s trying to win

It’s not rocket science
Ducks ask for Cozens, Sabres say “no, bc we are trying to win now- but we have a bunch of good prospects if you’re interested….”
Sep. 25, 2023 at 4:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Fail4Nail
100% agree on Cozens. But i'm looking at this from Anaheim's perspective. I'm saying you're offering scraps because they're players of minimal value, for a top line center. Reasonable first line assets for Zegras would include Quinn, Savoie or Rosen.

Imagine the Ducks offer "first round assets" for Cozens and they offer Lundestrom, Max Jones and Jacob Perreault...


If the response is we would like a better player for a guy we are low balling, the Ducks are gonna have a bad time. And you really gonna compare the first round asset players to a 25 year old Max Jones? The guys Buffalo are giving up still have first round value. There’s a difference there. This is more than Eichel got. A first, a second, a top prospect (Krebs/Ostlund) a current NHLer with upside (Tuch/Krebs). Now Buffalo would be adding in Joki and UPL for Gibson (Vegas also gave a third). There’s a reason he’s not getting top center money. And that’s because he’s allergic to defense and has really produced offense at a good 2C clip. If he’s gonna produce that offense the defense would need to be elite to be a top line center, and he hasn’t shown it yet. Which leads to the talk he’ll be a winger going forward.
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Sep. 25, 2023 at 4:47 p.m.
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Quoting: AntiAnalytics
That’s typically how a trade with a rebuilding team goes, especially when it’s with a team who’s trying to win

It’s not rocket science
Ducks ask for Cozens, Sabres say “no, bc we are trying to win now- but we have a bunch of good prospects if you’re interested….”


Why would a rebuilding team want to make a trade that sets their rebuild backwards? This trade is doing nothing to help the Ducks, which is why legitimate prospects would need to be included in any trade for Zegras.
Sep. 25, 2023 at 4:50 p.m.
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Quoting: Fail4Nail
Why would a rebuilding team want to make a trade that sets their rebuild backwards? This trade is doing nothing to help the Ducks, which is why legitimate prospects would need to be included in any trade for Zegras.


Quoting: Lsendel3
If the response is we would like a better player for a guy we are low balling, the Ducks are gonna have a bad time. And you really gonna compare the first round asset players to a 25 year old Max Jones? The guys Buffalo are giving up still have first round value. There’s a difference there. This is more than Eichel got. A first, a second, a top prospect (Krebs/Ostlund) a current NHLer with upside (Tuch/Krebs). Now Buffalo would be adding in Joki and UPL for Gibson (Vegas also gave a third). There’s a reason he’s not getting top center money. And that’s because he’s allergic to defense and has really produced offense at a good 2C clip. If he’s gonna produce that offense the defense would need to be elite to be a top line center, and he hasn’t shown it yet. Which leads to the talk he’ll be a winger going forward.


No team in their right mind is giving up a first for Krebs, Joki or UPL. Nice try, but they ain't first round value.
Secondly, Krebs is not a top prospect, nor does he match Tuch as a "current NHLer with upside". Stop overvaluing your players.
Sep. 25, 2023 at 4:57 p.m.
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No team in their right mind is giving up a first for Krebs, Joki or UPL. Nice try, but they ain't first round value.
Secondly, Krebs is not a top prospect, nor does he match Tuch as a "current NHLer with upside". Stop overvaluing your players.


He was in the Eichel trade. And Zegras isn’t Eichel. 21 years old .5 ppg player 2 years ago and pretty good defensively last year. I never said Joki nor UPL would have first round value. But Ostlund and the first surely do. And we’ll just agree to disagree on what a player like Krebs is worth in actually GMs eyes.
Sep. 25, 2023 at 5:51 p.m.
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Why would a rebuilding team want to make a trade that sets their rebuild backwards? This trade is doing nothing to help the Ducks, which is why legitimate prospects would need to be included in any trade for Zegras.


I don’t think u know what the word “legitimate” means
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Sep. 25, 2023 at 5:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Fail4Nail
I'm saying you're offering scraps because they're players of minimal value, for a top line center. Reasonable first line assets for Zegras would include Quinn, Savoie or Rosen.


So Zegras is 1st line center, or he is offered 4 mil on bridge deal.

Personally I would try to move Rosen, Savoie whenever Elias Pettersson is available. Zegras is not worth 3/4 1st and contract he desires.
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Sep. 25, 2023 at 7:35 p.m.
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Quoting: GiggywithGibby
Not eating 8 million on Gibsons contract, not trading him and Z for a bunch of middle of the lineup players.
Quoting: Fail4Nail
Not sure why all these AGM's thing Zegras would be traded for scraps. If he was to go to the Sabers, not out of the question if they asked for Cozens in return.
Quoting: Fail4Nail
100% agree on Cozens. But i'm looking at this from Anaheim's perspective. I'm saying you're offering scraps because they're players of minimal value, for a top line center. Reasonable first line assets for Zegras would include Quinn, Savoie or Rosen.
Imagine the Ducks offer "first round assets" for Cozens and they offer Lundestrom, Max Jones and Jacob Perreault...NONE of those three have value approaching any of Jokiharju (plays over 20 mintes per game and at 24 yo has already played at least 38 games in five different seasons), Krebs (is playing on the 4th line to improve his 200 foot game but still manages to produce 1.5pts/60 just beind Vetrano's 1.8pts/60), Luukkonen (is a young 24 yo GK who had a 17-11-4 record last season). These are hardly scraps! That is hardly a fair comparison!
Quoting: Fail4Nail
Why would a rebuilding team want to make a trade that sets their rebuild backwards? This trade is doing nothing to help the Ducks, which is why legitimate prospects would need to be included in any trade for Zegras.
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No team in their right mind is giving up a first for Krebs, Joki or UPL. Nice try, but they ain't first round value.
Secondly, Krebs is not a top prospect, nor does he match Tuch as a "current NHLer with upside". Stop overvaluing your players.
Thank you all for rejecting this trade.
While you all may consider it an insult knowledgable Sabres fans would never make this deal.
Krebs, Ostlund, first and second for Zegras while Luukkonen and Jokiharju for Gibson.
Last time I checked the Ducks top four defensemen were Fawler, Shattenkirk, Klingberg and Kulikov 30, 33, 30 and 31 years old respectively.
Gibson ($6,400,000 until 2026-27 ) 0.902 SV% over the last four seasons is ranked 52 in the NHL is only moderately better than Luukkonen's ($837,500) 0.989, please do not try to over value him.
The players offered here are not scraps.
Buffalo would be insane to make this trade as Peterka may out produce Zegras this season.
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