after last nights game i can see them playing matty with backs and coleman, two good two way vets mentoring the offensive gifted player.

TB would need retention on Vladar to make the cap work. Can't fit him in otherwise once Vasilevskiy returns.

If Ottawa trades Pinto for just futures, it will be for an overpayment.

This ain't it.

And no point trading for a guy that Dorion would waive next season. I mean, Zary is already 22 y/o

This is an overpayment. Calgary only offers that much because they could use another right shot forward.



Typical Sens fan greatly overvaluing his own players/prospects and greatly undervaluing other teams'. What happened to your "can't miss top 6/top 4 prospects" Thomson, Docker and Sokolov? They all got waived over the last few days.

It is not an overpayment.

Typical Flames fan greatly overvaluing Zary.

Maybe you should try looking up Zary's junior stats or last year's AHL stats instead of the year before when he was having a great training camp until he broke his ankle blocking a shot. Better yet watch him play sometime. He has more skill and a somewhat higher upside than Pinto which is why he was taken at 24th OA vs Pinto at 32nd OA.

The Flames wouldn't even consider doing it if they didn't have more left shot forwards than they can use at the NHL level -and- could use another right shot forward.

You mentioned quite a bit about what Calgary's needs are.

But absolutely nothing about Ottawa's needs.



Pinto is a core part of our group going forward.

You could have made it tougher for Ottawa to turn down by maybe offering Zary and a 1st instead.

But you chose not to.

So, Ottawa declines.

I’d hold off and wait for a better return for Vladar. He’ll impress this season and injuries will force Teams to pay up

That’s definitely an over payment for Pinto. Let’s just claim Sokolov for nothing if we want to add another Right Shot

We already have Coronato & Duehr who will both make the Roster, but we could use a Big 4LW and Sokolov may be better than Hunt, Schwindt or Klapka. Then again, maybe not

If we want another 20 Goal Scoring Centre, it’d be best to just sign Paul Statsny for cheap and play him at 3C

The Sens need to give their head a shake for not signing Pinto prior

Now they’ll have to pay PHI to take Matthieu Joseph off their books to try and sign Pinto

Seems like too much going to Ottawa

Or we can just trade Kubalik for a pick and then sign Pinto to his asking price of 2.5 million x 2.

This trade for Pinto, as proposed, is unacceptable.

Ottawa declines.

I don’t see any Teams just helping OTT out. This dilemma is going to cost you guys and the offer is an over pay for Pinto

You may be right about that, both selling low on Vladar and overpaying for Pinto is probably a bit too much for Conroy who seems to be a whole lot smarter than Blundering Brad was.

Sokolov would be worth claiming off waivers. Dunno if he'd make the team and if he did he'd probably be the 13th forward but we can always waive him too if he doesn't fit.

Statsny would be the 4th line center... Unless they move Kadri to wing.

They should definitely move Kadri to 1RW, especially if they want Huberdeau & Lindholm to click and have rebound years

Stastny still has lots to offer, especially on the FaceOff Dot and to the Young Guys. He could still be a decent 2/3C depending on his Wingers:

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Kadri
Sharangovich/Dube-Stastny/Backlund-Mangiapane
Dube/Sharangovich-Backlund/Stastny-Coronato
Ruzicka/Sokolov/Hunt-Coleman/Stastny-Duehr

Guys like Pavelski, Malkin & Ovechkin are still producing in their late 30’s and Stastny very likely still can too given decent TOI & Wingers

I like Shane Pinto as a Target, but that said, East Coast Americans are tough to keep long term…

Who do you prefer they keep together on a line!?:
Dube-Mangiapane
Dube-Coronato
Backlund-Coleman
Backlund-Mangiapane

Looks like you're missing the point/joke

Zary turned 22 y/o, if he doesn't make the Sens next year (and it will be pretty hard, see below), then they will waive him (I know it's stupid but they basically did just that with two previous 1st rounders (2019) and a 2nd rounder from 2020)

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Giroux
Jarventie - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Pinto - Joseph
Ostapchuk - Kastelic - MacEwen

Defense and goaltending is FULL so the 5+ M$ they'll have in cap space will be used to replace Tarasenko


Pinto will have a long meaningful NHL career, Sokolov will struggle to reach 100 games as a depth forward

Next year? Zary would easily make the Sens THIS year.

Again, you're missing the point and you're going in a totally different direction

So which spot would he steal THIS Year?

The only one missing the point and going off on a tangent is you. Zary wouldn't be stealing a spot he'd be replacing Pinto... For less money and since he's a year younger he'd be all 3 of under team control, waiver exempt and not eligible for arbitration longer.

He's also better and more valuable than Kastelic, McEwen, Joseph (IOW your entire 4th line according to Daily Faceoff) and Kubalic.

So a player with ZERO NHL games is better than players with a lot of NHL experience?

Greig, Giroux and even Jarventie could be playing Center if Pinto is not there. They don't really need Zary as they have their own prospects that are NHL ready. Without Pinto, I would go :

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Tarasenko
Jarventie - Norris - Batherson
Kubalik- Greig - Giroux
Smejkal - Kastelic - Joseph
MacEwen

Jarventie and Batherson look fantastic together and Norris and Batherson were deadly together last time Norris was there.

Joseph is one of the best skaters in the league, pretty good defensively (elite on PK) and scores about 30 ES pts per 82 games.

Kubalik is a consistent 20 goals 40 pts guy

Greig is a blue chip prospect

Kastelic was top-12 in FO% last season. He's also a fitness freak in a big man's body, pretty intimidating. He also holds his own defensively and has even a bit of a scoring touch. He is the 4th line Center going forward.

Smejkal has looked great in preseason but also unproven at the NHL level, however he's older and has pro experience. Yes I would take Zary over him but trading Pinto to have Zary on the 4th line? Doesn't seem super smart

MacEwen is unfortunately signed on a 1-way for 3 years, kinda stuck with him as it's doubtful they'd send him to the AHL right away but if possible I'd have Zary over him


All that said, you still missed the point, which I will tell as it seems necessary, it was a slight at Dorion and him waiving players that were Zary's age last season. The value you proposed isn't bad at all. I didn't even intend to comment on that. You just forced me into this debate by missing the point twice.