Detroit fans how far off is this trade

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Created by: SGB88

Team: 2023-24 Vancouver Canucks

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 28, 2023

Published: Oct. 28, 2023

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Both players seem pretty comparable. Hoglander has a little more impressive scoring profile and is younger, but obviously small (he plays a lot bigger and has a fire hydrant build). Rasmussen is obviously huge and can play center, although he isn't right now.

Canucks are probably a little further ahead in rebuild/retool timeline and so swapping up in age makes a little sense.

I assume Canucks need to add in this trade, but I wouldn't think it's much. Retention is for cap reasons this season. Could be dealt with in a different way.

I assume the Canucks will probably need to add a little, but I don't think its off by much?

Trades

VAN

Rasmussen, Michael ($360,000 retained)

DET

Höglander, Nils

Buyouts

Oliver Ekman-Larsson: $146,667

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Kuzmenko, Andrei $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2	Pettersson, Elias $7,350,000$7,350,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Mikheyev, Ilya $4,750,000$4,750,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 3
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Beauvillier, Anthony $4,150,000$4,150,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Suter, Pius $1,600,000$1,600,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Garland, Conor $4,950,000$4,950,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Joshua, Dakota $825,000$825,000 LW UFA - 1	Rasmussen, Michael $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, C UFA - 1	Lafferty, Sam $1,150,000$1,150,000 RW, C, LW UFA - 1

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Cole, Ian $3,000,000$3,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Friedman, Mark $775,000$775,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	DeSmith, Casey $1,800,000$1,800,000 G UFA - 1
Soucy, Carson $3,250,000$3,250,000 LD/RD NTC UFA - 3	Myers, Tyler $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1

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Studnicka, Jack $762,500$762,500 RW, C RFA - 1	Blueger, Teddy $1,900,000$1,900,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Poolman, Tucker $2,500,000$2,500,000 RD UFA - 2
Juulsen, Noah $775,000$775,000 RD UFA - 2		Brisebois, Guillaume $775,000$775,000 LD UFA - 2

Oct. 28, 2023 at 2:19 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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Don't think Detroit considers this whatsoever, or trading Rasmussen for a lateral asset, as Rasmussen's immense size actually helps the team not play like pansies.
Plus, he's gotten pretty good.

Oct. 28, 2023 at 2:24 p.m.

SGB88

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Don't think Detroit considers this whatsoever, or trading Rasmussen for a lateral asset, as Rasmussen's immense size actually helps the team not play like pansies.
Plus, he's gotten pretty good.

If I'm understanding what you're saying. You don't think there actual value is far apart, but you don't like the fit?

Oct. 28, 2023 at 2:24 p.m.

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Red Wings have been very patient with Ras. Drafted in 2017. Last season he took a step and he's now figuring out how to use his size to create offense for himself and his teammates.

I'd be surprised if Yzerman traded him.

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Oct. 28, 2023 at 2:26 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: SGB88

If I'm understanding what you're saying. You don't think there actual value is far apart, but you don't like the fit?

Yeah, I don't think values are immensely different. Granted, Hoglander past two looks in the NHL have been subpar compared to his rookie season, but I think that's a fault of the system moreso than the player.

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Oct. 28, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.

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Quoting: SharkTank

Celebrini is gonna look soooooooo good in San Jose

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Oct. 28, 2023 at 2:51 p.m.

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Thanks, I appreciate your thoughtful answer. You guys are looking great this year. I hope you keep it up

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Oct. 28, 2023 at 2:52 p.m.

Shaquille_Oatmeal

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It's not far off in terms of value, but I don't see this as a good fit. Detroit is small up front with Raymond, Berggren, Debrincat... Rasmussen's size and physicality is needed.

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Oct. 28, 2023 at 3:26 p.m.

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As far as value it is not based on performance as goals scored but on intangibles. Wings got pushed around last year once Rasmussen was out. He brings a big body that is needed for a team with smaller wingers. Yzerman made an effort to get bigger. He added Fisher and Klostin, both of which are not not offensive juggernauts but Rasmussen is better offensive y and is also big. He may not be a great 1st round pick but he is a player most teams love, he goes unto corners checks, and can pot the occasional.goal. Just do not think Yzerman would forego that for another skilled winger who is not big and brings a specific value.

Oct. 28, 2023 at 3:29 p.m.

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Quoting: mikearky

Honestly wasn't as interested in whether Detroit does this trade, than how the values stack up. I appreciate the whole fit issue. There's a Canucks fan who I don't think gets Hog's value and the kind of player you could theoretically swap him for (if you can make the fit work obviously).

Oct. 28, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.

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Value I don't think it's that far off i just think a guy like Ras is a better fit in Detroit at the moment. If I thought hogs offensive upside was a bit higher then maybe.

Oct. 28, 2023 at 3:45 p.m.

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Detroit declines big time, We already traded for a 5.8" Alex DeBrincat, Makes no sense trading a 6'6" Michael Rasmussen for a 5'8" Nils Hoglander. We're trying to get bigger not smaller.

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Oct. 28, 2023 at 4:10 p.m.

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I'm not as wedded to keeping Ras as other Detroit fans are but I also think this isn't a trade that Yzerman would do. Ras is able to play centre and do so really well, he's a big part of our PK and is really good defensively and with shotblocking. Those are areas where Höglander isn't going to help us in any way. We are also not short of left shooting wingers. If you absolutely want Rasmussen then you'd have to give up someone like Lekkerimäki to get him (we'd take Beauvillier off your hands to make the money work).

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Oct. 28, 2023 at 4:12 p.m.

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Quoting: SGB88

Thanks, I appreciate your thoughtful answer. You guys are looking great this year. I hope you keep it up

Yeah I hope so too.

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Oct. 28, 2023 at 4:56 p.m.

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Quoting: Billy12Bob

Lekkermaki before the playoffs last year, we might have said yes to this. That being said if you want to deal Kasper for him, I'm down. I was so mad, when you scooped him from us. It's unfair that Detroit has been ahead of us the last few years scooping our picks.

Although you were nice enough to let us have Hughes... Nevermind. I'm happy

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Oct. 28, 2023 at 6:55 p.m.

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

Celebrini is gonna look soooooooo good in San Jose

It's really our only hope right now.

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Oct. 28, 2023 at 6:56 p.m.

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Quoting: SGB88

Holland really blew it there.

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Oct. 28, 2023 at 8:03 p.m.

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Quoting: SharkTank

It's really our only hope right now.

Tbh, considering you guys have Eklund AND Smith, I think you guys would be just as happy with Eiserman.

Oct. 28, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.

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Quoting: SharkTank

Holland really blew it there.

He told Hughes that we were not drafting him.
We would've drafted Bouchard.
He stank.

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