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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 2, 2023
Published: Nov. 2, 2023
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We have a ton of good prospects in the system already, more high picks can help the future but not the present. We are better off getting prime-aged players who can help us over the next 5 years.

I would target Lindholm or Hertl based on their team's poor starts.

Slaf getting a ton of heat, but Anderson is the one playing like a 4th liner, so send him to the 4th line
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MTL
  1. Lindholm, Elias
Additional Details:
Lindholm Sign & Trade
6 x 8 500 000
CGY
  1. Armia, Joel
  2. Farrell, Sean
  3. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
  4. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
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Top 5 protection on MTL pick, becomes 2025 unprotected
Coronato's buddy comes to town
Rebuilding Calgary accepts taking Armia back as cap relief. Armia is not a bad player, but overpaid
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Nov. 2, 2023 at 7:49 a.m.
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Anderson does have a bad start but Gallagher is playing like a 60 yo grandpa in my beer league
Lindholm contract is absolutely atrocious for MTL
WE ARE REBUILDING FFS
Stop thinking we are good or a little bit competitive
In two weeks we will be at the bottom of the Atlantic
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Nov. 2, 2023 at 8:27 a.m.
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Personally, if I was Calgary I'd take one of the 1st rounders off if you switched Farrell for Roy, dude has been on fire for like 3 years now lol
But as the other dude said, you guys should stick to the rebuild unless this success is somehow maintained until the deadline
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Nov. 2, 2023 at 8:28 a.m.
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Quoting: CBA
Anderson does have a bad start but Gallagher is playing like a 60 yo grandpa in my beer league
Lindholm contract is absolutely atrocious for MTL
WE ARE REBUILDING FFS
Stop thinking we are good or a little bit competitive
In two weeks we will be at the bottom of the Atlantic


CBA... You often make statements to the effect that:

1) I don't know what I am talking about
2) I don't watch other teams play hockey

The way the Habs have been playing 5-on-5, other than the Newhook line, is an indication to me that this team has taken a very important step.

I don't care about hype. I don't care about superstars. The way they are controlling shot attempts and high danger chances 5-on-5 IS an indication that they CAN compete. The special teams are a problem, but the other problem this team has is, it does not have a competent 2nd line Center.

There ARE several prime-aged 2nd line centers available. Even if we bring one in, Dach can play wing next year. You like Monahan? Lindholm is significantly better than Monahan. If you don't understand that, YOU are the one who is not watching other teams around the league.

This team with the addition of a Lindholm, Hertl, Thomas or any other offensive 1A/1B center makes the playoffs. All HuGo has to do is BELIEVE!
Nov. 2, 2023 at 8:30 a.m.
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Quoting: lowblocksniper
Personally, if I was Calgary I'd take one of the 1st rounders off if you switched Farrell for Roy, dude has been on fire for like 3 years now lol
But as the other dude said, you guys should stick to the rebuild unless this success is somehow maintained until the deadline


Not trading Roy, sorry.
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Nov. 2, 2023 at 8:32 a.m.
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Not trading Roy, sorry.


LOL I know just dreaming of better days
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Nov. 2, 2023 at 8:59 a.m.
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Quoting: lowblocksniper
Personally, if I was Calgary I'd take one of the 1st rounders off if you switched Farrell for Roy, dude has been on fire for like 3 years now lol
But as the other dude said, you guys should stick to the rebuild unless this success is somehow maintained until the deadline


I agree that Montreal should stick to the rebuild process. I think that adding players at this stage in the rebuild in order to try to push the Habs into the playoffs this year will just land us in the "mushy middle" and weaken our draft chances this year.

Plus, if Calgary keeps up the pace they are on this year and decide to have a fire sale sometime this year, then that pick that Montreal obtained from Calgary on the Monahan trade (which has so many conditions it is hard to know whether that pick will be in 2024, 2025 or 2026) could be quite good and then Montreal could look at making serious upgrades in the next offseason and be confident that the Calgary pick will still net them a decent pick whenever it is cashed in.

I think that the future is bright for Montreal (as long as they develop their picks/prospects well) but patience is key. Of course patience is not something we Habs fans (and Canadian hockey team fans in general) are known for though.
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Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:05 a.m.
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Quoting: KentMcNally
I agree that Montreal should stick to the rebuild process. I think that adding players at this stage in the rebuild in order to try to push the Habs into the playoffs this year will just land us in the "mushy middle" and weaken our draft chances this year.

Plus, if Calgary keeps up the pace they are on this year and decide to have a fire sale sometime this year, then that pick that Montreal obtained from Calgary on the Monahan trade (which has so many conditions it is hard to know whether that pick will be in 2024, 2025 or 2026) could be quite good and then Montreal could look at making serious upgrades in the next offseason and be confident that the Calgary pick will still net them a decent pick whenever it is cashed in.

I think that the future is bright for Montreal (as long as they develop their picks/prospects well) but patience is key. Of course patience is not something we Habs fans (and Canadian hockey team fans in general) are known for though.


For the Calgary pick, it seems pretty clear it will be Calgary 2026 or Florida 2025.
Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:08 a.m.
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I would send Anderson instead of Armia and Farrell. The balance of Armia’s deal should be easier to move and Farrell will be useful.

The other thing to consider…if Calgary is about to lose five defensemen at end of year (only Weegar and Andersson returning), they may be more interested if deal included a dman.
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Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:10 a.m.
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Quoting: KentMcNally
I agree that Montreal should stick to the rebuild process. I think that adding players at this stage in the rebuild in order to try to push the Habs into the playoffs this year will just land us in the "mushy middle" and weaken our draft chances this year.

Plus, if Calgary keeps up the pace they are on this year and decide to have a fire sale sometime this year, then that pick that Montreal obtained from Calgary on the Monahan trade (which has so many conditions it is hard to know whether that pick will be in 2024, 2025 or 2026) could be quite good and then Montreal could look at making serious upgrades in the next offseason and be confident that the Calgary pick will still net them a decent pick whenever it is cashed in.

I think that the future is bright for Montreal (as long as they develop their picks/prospects well) but patience is key. Of course patience is not something we Habs fans (and Canadian hockey team fans in general) are known for though.


There is patience, and then there is reading and reacting to what the team is showing you. This hockey team is finding ways to win, which is the thing that good teams do. I cannot imagine this team as a bottom 5 team this year without another top 3 player going down for the season.

The 5-on-5 play is the envy of most teams in the league, and with the addition of a player to replace Dach, we can really make some noise.

The special teams are also turning around. We just have to fix the 2nd line. It might fix itself with Dvorak coming back, but that line right now is our Achilles heal and they are getting exploited most nights.
Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:10 a.m.
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I would send Anderson instead of Armia and Farrell. The balance of Armia’s deal should be easier to move and Farrell will be useful.

The other thing to consider…if Calgary is about to lose five defensemen at end of year (only Weegar and Andersson returning), they may be more interested if deal included a dman.


Habs have got them covered there.
Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:19 a.m.
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Or instead of spending all of these assets for a 60-70 point player, you sign Reinhart in FA for the same contract
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Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:33 a.m.
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Quoting: KentMcNally
I agree that Montreal should stick to the rebuild process. I think that adding players at this stage in the rebuild in order to try to push the Habs into the playoffs this year will just land us in the "mushy middle" and weaken our draft chances this year.

Plus, if Calgary keeps up the pace they are on this year and decide to have a fire sale sometime this year, then that pick that Montreal obtained from Calgary on the Monahan trade (which has so many conditions it is hard to know whether that pick will be in 2024, 2025 or 2026) could be quite good and then Montreal could look at making serious upgrades in the next offseason and be confident that the Calgary pick will still net them a decent pick whenever it is cashed in.

I think that the future is bright for Montreal (as long as they develop their picks/prospects well) but patience is key. Of course patience is not something we Habs fans (and Canadian hockey team fans in general) are known for though.


Yeah patience is the best option for the Habs
Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:33 a.m.
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Or instead of spending all of these assets for a 60-70 point player, you sign Reinhart in FA for the same contract


I understand that point. I would argue that the Habs will be at a disadvantage when signing Free Agents and Reinhart will not wanna go from (relative) lowest taxes to highest taxes in the league... but maybe, if the Habs have a killer season, they can lure a free agent or two.

Having a competent 2nd line center would make that scenario more likely. Newhook hasn't been and can't get it done. He's not a bad winger, but he is not an offensive center.
Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:36 a.m.
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I would send Anderson instead of Armia and Farrell. The balance of Armia’s deal should be easier to move and Farrell will be useful.

The other thing to consider…if Calgary is about to lose five defensemen at end of year (only Weegar and Andersson returning), they may be more interested if deal included a dman.


Very true and considering how many LD the Habs have, they can afford to lose a guy like Struble or Norlinder. The less likely but not impossible options would be Harris or Xhekaj (the untouchables right now on the left are Guhle and Hudson)
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Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:45 a.m.
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Very true and considering how many LD the Habs have, they can afford to lose a guy like Struble or Norlinder. The less likely but not impossible options would be Harris or Xhekaj (the untouchables right now on the left are Guhle and Hudson)


Harris, Trudeau, Norlinder, Struble, Engstrom are all available for the right deal IMO, but now of those guys hold even half the value to other teams the Habs fans think they do.
Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:48 a.m.
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Quoting: jonh514
Harris, Trudeau, Norlinder, Struble, Engstrom are all available for the right deal IMO, but now of those guys hold even half the value to other teams the Habs fans think they do.


True but the Flames don't really have D prospects so getting 1 of those guys would be good.
Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:52 a.m.
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Very true and considering how many LD the Habs have, they can afford to lose a guy like Struble or Norlinder. The less likely but not impossible options would be Harris or Xhekaj (the untouchables right now on the left are Guhle and Hudson)


Guhle should be the only untouchable….everyone else should be on table if they are getting 8 years of Lindholm. But if it gets too painful, just wait until off-season. And in the period between end of playoffs and draft, could try sending them a package like Norlinder and 3rd for Lindholm rights.
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Nov. 2, 2023 at 9:57 a.m.
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Guhle should be the only untouchable….everyone else should be on table if they are getting 8 years of Lindholm. But if it gets too painful, just wait until off-season. And in the period between end of playoffs and draft, could try sending them a package like Norlinder and 3rd for Lindholm rights.


I'd take that for his rights
Nov. 2, 2023 at 10:02 a.m.
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Anderson does have a bad start but Gallagher is playing like a 60 yo grandpa in my beer league
Lindholm contract is absolutely atrocious for MTL
WE ARE REBUILDING FFS
Stop thinking we are good or a little bit competitive
In two weeks we will be at the bottom of the Atlantic


Hyped fans after 5 wins in 9 games in october.... ugh...

In 2015-12016, They started the season 7-0-1... and didn't make the playoffs...
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Nov. 2, 2023 at 10:17 a.m.
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Hyped fans after 5 wins in 9 games in october.... ugh...

In 2015-12016, They started the season 7-0-1... and didn't make the playoffs...


Because Dach, Caufield, Guhle, Dvorak, Monahan, Matheson were all LTIR...
Nov. 2, 2023 at 10:58 a.m.
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CBA... You often make statements to the effect that:

1) I don't know what I am talking about
2) I don't watch other teams play hockey

The way the Habs have been playing 5-on-5, other than the Newhook line, is an indication to me that this team has taken a very important step.

I don't care about hype. I don't care about superstars. The way they are controlling shot attempts and high danger chances 5-on-5 IS an indication that they CAN compete. The special teams are a problem, but the other problem this team has is, it does not have a competent 2nd line Center.

There ARE several prime-aged 2nd line centers available. Even if we bring one in, Dach can play wing next year. You like Monahan? Lindholm is significantly better than Monahan. If you don't understand that, YOU are the one who is not watching other teams around the league.

This team with the addition of a Lindholm, Hertl, Thomas or any other offensive 1A/1B center makes the playoffs. All HuGo has to do is BELIEVE!


I like 29 yo Monahan at 2M
I would trade him at the TDL
I don’t like the idea of signing soon to be 29 yo (this december) Elias Lindholm to a 6 years deal at 8.5M
30 to 36 yo will be his downfall
We don’t need that, we need players under 27-28 yo
Hertl won’t be available, and definitely not Thomas
And on top of that, you are trading two 1st round pick & Sean Farrell
Disaster for a rebuilding team

Btw, goaltending is saving MTL ass right now, they won’t keep this up
Nov. 2, 2023 at 12:58 p.m.
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I'm all for adding Lindholm........as a free agent. Paying a high price for him now goes against everything the Habs are building.

Patience. Yes this team played well against Vegas. Great, doesn't mean the rebuild is over. Continue to add high end picks, prospects and roster players but not at the cost of the first two things.
Nov. 2, 2023 at 1:20 p.m.
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Quoting: F50marco
I'm all for adding Lindholm........as a free agent. Paying a high price for him now goes against everything the Habs are building.

Patience. Yes this team played well against Vegas. Great, doesn't mean the rebuild is over. Continue to add high end picks, prospects and roster players but not at the cost of the first two things.


If they play 41 games of 0.650 hockey, do you think you will feel differently?
Nov. 2, 2023 at 8:36 p.m.
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I am a super positive habs fan and i hope they can push for a spot but they will likely fall short and then continue the rebuild. Lindholm is too old and his contract wont age well and that we hurt our cup chances.....they wont do that... and he doesnt seem to be doing much to help cgy win games either.... not sure i like the heart of cgy players.. quit on sutter and now they are worst.... mostly Kadri and Huberdeau but you never know......I think we got our center position covered and we need an elite winger to go with caufield.... i would sign monahan at no cost to a 3 year deal and then use him and dach as the second line center and keep all of your high draft picks...... patience is the key here
Nov. 2, 2023 at 8:55 p.m.
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If they play 41 games of 0.650 hockey, do you think you will feel differently?


Thats a +/- 50 win, depending in OTL's, pace. I think if the Habs are at that pace by 41 games, yeah things are charging a little. Obviously. I just don't think they will and frankly the only way they do is by a few players on the team absolutely taking the team on their backs.
 
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