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Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 2

Nov. 14, 2023 at 8:16 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Is Patrick Kane what our forward group needs right now? No, not necessarily. Would it be cool as hell to see Kane on a line with Matthews? Hell yes it would be


and trickle down kinda does solve some F issues. Means you'd have one of Matthews, Nylander, Marner, or Kane on any top 9 line helping depth scoring considerably, also allows you to run Gregor - Kampf - Jarnkrok 4th line which is pretty much as deep of a forward core you can ask for. And would be so sick
Nov. 14, 2023 at 8:18 p.m.
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I dunno...typically when players meet up after the game it's former teammates...tried having a look. Him and Timmins were teammates in Colorado but that doesn't make sense. Only other 2 were David Kampf when they were both in Chicago and the 2012 London Knights team with Domi


team russia with Samsonov at some point? Would make sense he wants to recruit some net front clearing D...
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Nov. 14, 2023 at 8:33 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 14, 2023 at 9:25 p.m.
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"Patrick Kane is training in Oakville and met with the Toronto Maple Leafs today", per puckempire on IG, credits John Shannon.

For like 1 or 2M screw it lets try. Man I'm trying not to get excited at the idea of Kane but I'd be lying if I wasn't even if I know he's not prime Chicago Kane anymore.


If its not league min or Wheeler NYR deal NTU

As we dont got a lot of cap and we dont know how Kane will be coming back from injury or how he will mesh with this team

We had all this hype for Bertuzzi and Domi and its only been recently those two got going

Im concerned Kane could be the same. He wont get PP1 time and hes not a defensive guy so he cant play bottom 6. Now sure you can slide Willy down but that could also mess up all the chemistry we just built with this team

We just got 3 working lines with our 4th line looking useable now

Probs best not to touch a thing McMann and Robertson have earned their spots. But if he agrees to a league min deal than we can contemplate it especially if he does not mind rotating in and out if things dont work (VGK and Kessel)


As while Kane would be awesome to see in a Leafs jersey this could also be Thorton 2.0
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Nov. 14, 2023 at 9:28 p.m.
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If the Leafs are targeting a FA step away from the Kane and step towards the Bear and Bison King

Those are the guys I would be fine handing a contract to

Ones not a big but he is a nice player. While I doubt we see him come close to his rookie year if he can do what he did in Van next to Rielly then potentially we may just need to spend assets on 1 Dman than use the remaining on something else. Maybe a goalie, maybe another forward who knows. Same with the Bison King who may be a nice rotation piece for the 4th line
Nov. 14, 2023 at 11:23 p.m.
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If Kane is doing a bit of a showcase and meet and greet....it'd be negligent for the leafs to not at least show up and have a conversation. Need to know, as early as possible, what he looks like, and his expectations both for salary and role. Gotta at least show interest in obtaining that info so you can make an educated decision for your team.
Nov. 15, 2023 at 12:47 a.m.
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Quoting: Juice
If Kane is doing a bit of a showcase and meet and greet....it'd be negligent for the leafs to not at least show up and have a conversation. Need to know, as early as possible, what he looks like, and his expectations both for salary and role. Gotta at least show interest in obtaining that info so you can make an educated decision for your team.


Yea salary is the big question

Role its been reported he dont want no depth stuff (in and out treatment like Kessel) he wants to be a full time member of whatever team he joins. Like a key guy

That to me is a bit of a red flag as idk I get Thorton vibes. Like lets say 1.5m x 1 year and we see similar issues not good.

But yea while I would love to see him in a Leafs jersey idk if now's the time as its mostly defense thats been the problem and Kane dont fix that.
Nov. 15, 2023 at 10:24 a.m.
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If its not league min or Wheeler NYR deal NTU

As we dont got a lot of cap and we dont know how Kane will be coming back from injury or how he will mesh with this team

We had all this hype for Bertuzzi and Domi and its only been recently those two got going

Im concerned Kane could be the same. He wont get PP1 time and hes not a defensive guy so he cant play bottom 6. Now sure you can slide Willy down but that could also mess up all the chemistry we just built with this team

We just got 3 working lines with our 4th line looking useable now

Probs best not to touch a thing McMann and Robertson have earned their spots. But if he agrees to a league min deal than we can contemplate it especially if he does not mind rotating in and out if things dont work (VGK and Kessel)


As while Kane would be awesome to see in a Leafs jersey this could also be Thorton 2.0


Who says Kane won't be getting PP1 time, move Willy down like they did with ROR and have 2 stacked PP units... And there's still time to adjust, we aren't in playoffs yet...
Nov. 15, 2023 at 12:15 p.m.
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Who says Kane won't be getting PP1 time, move Willy down like they did with ROR and have 2 stacked PP units... And there's still time to adjust, we aren't in playoffs yet...


Kane got PP1 time last year with the rangers upon getting traded

Hes gonna get it again if he signs there

As they gonna pair him with Panarin again.

Cause last year PP unit 1 was

Kreider-Trocheck-Panarin
Kane-Fox

Unit 2

Zibanajad-Laf-Tarasenko
K'Miller-Kakko
Nov. 15, 2023 at 12:58 p.m.
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Kane got PP1 time last year with the rangers upon getting traded

Hes gonna get it again if he signs there

As they gonna pair him with Panarin again.

Cause last year PP unit 1 was

Kreider-Trocheck-Panarin
Kane-Fox

Unit 2

Zibanajad-Laf-Tarasenko
K'Miller-Kakko


I'm saying, the Leafs could do what they did with ROR and have:
Kane-JT-Marner
Matthews-Rielly

Willy-Domi-Bert
Knies-Klingberg/Timmins
Nov. 15, 2023 at 1:40 p.m.
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I'm saying, the Leafs could do what they did with ROR and have:
Kane-JT-Marner
Matthews-Rielly

Willy-Domi-Bert
Knies-Klingberg/Timmins



Yea lets put Willy on pp unit 2 where they barely play that will make him happy especially during a contract year. Hes doing great rn lets not mess with that

Toronto's issue rn isnt scoring or need for more playmakers its defense

Having Kane would be cool but this just feels like another Thorton, Simmonds, Spezza (pretty much only full on solid one), Marleau thing. He isnt in his prime anymore and while he still is a nice forward we could see a production drop or a drop in performance that may not make him an every day player like we saw with VGK and Kessel.

With the issues of this team rn it just makes 0 sense to add him as we would be going for the score our problems away game
Nov. 15, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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Yea lets put Willy on pp unit 2 and they barely play that will make him happy especially during a contract year.

Toronto's issue rn isnt scoring or need for more playmakers its defense

Having Kane would be cool but this just feels like another Thorton or Marleau thing.

We already almost had issues with Domi and Bertuzzi and Kane is worse defensively than those two

Just makes 0 sense to add him


Why not though? Willy did well on the 2nd unit and the Leafs can't be focusing on 1 guy... It's a 20-23 man roster...

And Kane would help with depth scoring with the Leafs can do:

Knies-Matthews-Kane
Marner-JT-Willy
Robo-Domi-Bert
Grgor-Kampf-Jarnkrok
Nov. 15, 2023 at 1:45 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 15, 2023 at 1:54 p.m.
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Why not though? Willy did well on the 2nd unit and the Leafs can't be focusing on 1 guy... It's a 20-23 man roster...

And Kane would help with depth scoring with the Leafs can do:

Knies-Matthews-Kane
Marner-JT-Willy
Robo-Domi-Bert
Grgor-Kampf-Jarnkrok


Its a contract year for Willy you think hes gonna want to be on unit 2 where they barely get playing time ... no

Hes got a point streak going and is trying to get paid. Getting 20 seconds of PP time is gonna hurt that.

We have a nice PP unit 1 no need to ruin it

In general we dont need Kane

Hes an all offense no defense guy and what does this team need help with rn.... DEFENSE

If they had trouble scoring would say yep but thats not been the problem. They already have seen concerns with Domi and Bertuzzi in that department why add a third guy who people claim is worse in defense.

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1630656545661788165?lang=en

Those lines have barely to no defense besides the 4th line. Than you want Willy or Marner on their offside thas gonna be a problem

Why ruin whats finally working. The answer you dont. McMann has earned a 4th line spot so far and Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok has been a nice 3rd line that incorporates playmaking, defense, and versatility putting Bertuzzi down there kills the defense.
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Nov. 15, 2023 at 1:51 p.m.
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Its a contract year for Willy you think hes gonna want to be on unit 2 where they barely get playing time ... no

Hes got a point streak going and is trying to get paid. Getting 20 seconds of PP time is gonna hurt that.

We have a nice PP unit 1 no need to ruin it

In general we dont need Kane

Hes an all offense no defense guy and what does this team need help with rn.... DEFENSE

If they had trouble scoring would say yep but thats not been the problem

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1630656545661788165?lang=en

Those lines have barely to no defense besides the 4th line. Than you want Willy or Marner on their offside thas gonna be a problem

Why ruin whats finally working. The answer you dont. McMann has earned a 4th line spot so far and Robertson-Domi-Jarnkrok has been a nice 3rd line that incorporates playmaking, defense, and versatility putting Bertuzzi down there kills the defense.


??? Are you Willy's agent or something? BC you seem to be focused on what Nylander thinks and feels...

And Kane's a solid depth piece that can help this team win in the playoffs
Nov. 15, 2023 at 2:01 p.m.
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Edited Nov. 15, 2023 at 3:20 p.m.
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??? Are you Willy's agent or something? BC you seem to be focused on what Nylander thinks and feels...

And Kane's a solid depth piece that can help this team win in the playoffs


You want your stars to be playing well thats really it

Why do we want Willy to be demoted and losing the magic we have seen out of him so far this season.

Hes playing some of his best hockey why ruin that, the answer you dont.

Willy is rn on pace for 100 points lets not ruin that shall we.

Keeping him on pp unit 1 and not shifting the lines to where hes got to learn to play with another new guy will help with that

Bertuzzi also just got going so lets not have him need to find his game again

In general Kane's a big nice flashy toy but hes past his prime. Hes not what this team needs rn

Defensive minded guys are whats needed especially on the backend.


If they had issues scoring or he was okay coming in and out of the lineup and took league min sure. But hes probs gonna cost 1.5m and want like Thorton in the lineup top line no matter what.


This just has to many red flags written all over it.

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1722671220234072101

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-sdWitXyA4
Nov. 15, 2023 at 2:14 p.m.
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https://twitter.com/dalter/status/1724786081131016357

I have a strange feeling he may end up on LTIR

As Keefe said he was hurt, didnt play Friday, played Saturday, than this
Nov. 16, 2023 at 5:42 p.m.
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https://twitter.com/LeafsNeedGod/status/1725084503729680737

Honestly forgot what LA gave CBJ for 2 good pieces
Nov. 16, 2023 at 5:50 p.m.
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So Kane never met the Leafs despite the report according to Barden and the original guy who reported it

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/latest-news/report-maple-leafs-did-not-meet-with-patrick-kane-as-the-free-agent-forward-looks-for-team
Nov. 17, 2023 at 2:09 p.m.
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Holy, those blue helmets do not work with the white jerseys
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Nov. 17, 2023 at 2:48 p.m.
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Matthews and Knies are tripped nothing

Bertuzzi slashes guy drops stick penalty

Got to love it
Nov. 17, 2023 at 3:15 p.m.
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Why did nobody stand up for Nylander... Never mind

Domi with the takedown!
Nov. 17, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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Sammy in a 1 vs 1 is just not a penalty shoot or shootout goalie

But man Rielly just has 0 defensive awareness on that play

This team just looks lost rn besides the JT line
Nov. 17, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.
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That’s brutal tho
Nov. 17, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.
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Rielly is just having himself a game

Covers puck with hand goal 1

Gives puck away goal 2

These 5 days off ****ed this team
Nov. 17, 2023 at 3:45 p.m.
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I don’t believe it should be a pen shot for that though. I think it should be a penalty max but oh well I don’t make the rules.

Just sucks to see the makeup calls only go one way
Nov. 17, 2023 at 3:46 p.m.
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This team lacks communication and its getting embarassing at this point

Like when why 1 guy jumps off 3 jump on

Players are sloppy today only line with anything JT.

5 days off ****ed em
 
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