Quinn Hughes Karlsson comp

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Created by: Tbrew

Team: 2023-24 New Jersey Devils

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 10, 2023

Published: Nov. 10, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

Did this last year, so doing it again this year. Have fun feeling whatever valid emotion you experience while you look at this.

Dylan DeMelo · $900,000
Chris Tierney · $2,937,500
Rūdolfs Balcers · $0 (AHL/JR)
Joshua Norris · $0 (Signing Rights)
2020 1st round pick (SJS - #3 - Tim Stützle) [Conditional]*
2021 2nd round pick (SJS - #39 - Zack Ostapchuk) [Conditional]**
2019 2nd round pick (FLA - #44 - Jamieson Rees) [Conditional]***
Conditional 1st round pick****

****Sens receive a 1st round pick from the Sharks (no later than 2022) if Karlsson is on an Eastern Conference roster (reserve list) during the 2018-19 season.
****Result: Condition not met, no pick is transferred.
*Conditions: Ottawa receives Sharks 2019 1st round pick if Sharks do not make the playoffs. If Sharks make the playoffs, Ottawa receives Sharks 2020 1st.
*Result: Sharks made the 2019 playoffs, Ottawa receives Sharks 2020 1st round pick
**Conditions: Sens receive Sharks 2021 2nd round pick if Karlsson is re-signed. The selection upgrades to a 2021 1st if Sharks reach the Stanley Cup final in 2019.
**Result: Sharks re-signed Karlsson but did not advance to the Stanley Cup final. Ottawa receives Sharks 2021 2nd round pick.
***Conditions: 2019 2nd round pick is the higher of the two picks the Sharks currently own: Panthers and their own.
***Result: Ottawa will receive Panthers 2019 2nd round pick.

I am trying to use the same position for the comps, and am not taking into consideration either team’s needs.

Trades

NJD

Additional Details:

Player - Comp
Description

Hughes - EK
Centerpiece

Sasson - Perron
young AHL filler. I don’t know anything about him, so if you like him just replace with an appropriate option in your brain

VAN

Bahl, Kevin
McLeod, Michael
Nemec, Simon
Stillman, Chase
2024 1st round pick (NJD)
2025 1st round pick (NJD)
2025 2nd round pick (NJD)
2026 2nd round pick (NJD)

Additional Details:

Player - Comp
Description

Nemec - Norris
Top Prospect. For Ottawa that was Norris, for NJ that’s Nemec. A grade Prospect
Not sure there’s a good forward prospect at this level for the devils to use instead

McLeod - Tierney
Bottom Six young established NHL center able to play up and down the lineup when needed.
If Defensemen - Bahl

Stillman - Balcers
B Prospect in the AHL.
Other forward options could be Foote, Filmon, or an unsigned prospect

Bahl - DeMelo
Young NHL defensemen with room to grow
Forward option could be Holtz, but moving Holtz likely means a downgrade elsewhere. Maybe Bastian is more appropriate, but probably means adding value to another comp.
Could also have a goalie replacement for the position with Schmid here as a younger NHL goalie with some upside

For the picks:

Two 1sts should be all but guaranteed, since NJ has a much more positive outlook for their playoff future. Maybe that’s hindsight talking, but maybe just top pick or top 3 protection hanging there. Or you can imagine similar conditions to what EK trade actually had doesn’t matter to me

Buyouts

Cory Schneider: $2,000,000
Janne Kuokkanen: $325,000

Recapture Fees

Ilya Kovalchuk: $250,000

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$86,531,667	$422,500	$2,312,500	-$3,031,667

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Meier, Timo $8,800,000$8,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 8	Hughes, Jack $8,000,000$8,000,000 C UFA - 7	Bratt, Jesper $7,875,000$7,875,000 RW, LW UFA - 8
Palat, Ondrej $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 4	Hischier, Nico $7,250,000$7,250,000 C UFA - 4	Toffoli, Tyler $2,125,000$2,125,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
Tierney, Chris $775,000$775,000 C UFA - 1	Haula, Erik $3,150,000$3,150,000 C, LW NTC UFA - 3	Bastian, Nathan $1,350,000$1,350,000 RW UFA - 2
Nosek, Tomas $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, C UFA - 1	Sasson, Max $870,000$870,000 ($80,000$80K) C RFA - 2	Holtz, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 2
Willman, Max $775,000$775,000 LW UFA - 1		Lazar, Curtis $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 2
		Mercer, Dawson $894,167$894,167 ($400,000$400K) RW, C RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Siegenthaler, Jonas $3,400,000$3,400,000 LD UFA - 5	Hamilton, Dougie $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 5	Vanecek, Vitek $3,400,000$3,400,000 G UFA - 2
Smith, Brendan $1,100,000$1,100,000 LD/RD, LW UFA - 1	Marino, John $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD UFA - 4	Schmid, Akira $850,833$850,833 ($57,500$58K) G RFA - 1
Hughes, Quinn $7,850,000$7,850,000 LD UFA - 4
Hughes, Luke $925,000$925,000 ($925,000$925K) LD/RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Miller, Colin $1,850,000$1,850,000 RD UFA - 1

Nov. 10, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.

GuyGuyGuy

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Casey would be a better choice than Nemec

Nov. 10, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.

Mediumyeet

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There is not a single thing NJD could offer to get Quinn. He is as untouchable as they get especially now that he is our captain.

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Nov. 10, 2023 at 8:04 p.m.

Kinger25

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Seems like a bit of an overpayment but he’s likely worth it

Nov. 10, 2023 at 8:12 p.m.

TyeZerker

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I see we Still cant stop trying to get brothers on the same team for no reason. Move on. what is this my eyes are burning

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Nov. 10, 2023 at 8:12 p.m.

drambui

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i feel holtz would be a better comparable to norris than Nemec.

Nov. 10, 2023 at 8:16 p.m.

NHLfan10506

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…or wait a few years and we’ll get him for free

Nov. 10, 2023 at 9:05 p.m.

theleano1

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Vancouver isn't moving Hughes

Nov. 10, 2023 at 9:15 p.m.

Tbrew

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Quoting: GuyGuyGuy

Casey would be a better choice than Nemec

He was actually who I had in there first before I decided Nemec, so I would definitely agree

Quoting: Mediumyeet

There is not a single thing NJD could offer to get Quinn. He is as untouchable as they get especially now that he is our captain.

That’s not really the exercise here though. It’s just building a trade comparable to what SJ gave up for the best offensive defensemen playing at that time

Quoting: Kinger25

Seems like a bit of an overpayment but he’s likely worth it

Can’t imagine anything less than an overpay wiggles him free from Vancouver rn, right?

Quoting: TyeZerker

I see we Still cant stop trying to get brothers on the same team for no reason. Move on. what is this my eyes are burning

Well the reason would be because Quinn Hughes is very good at hockey. This isn’t necessarily something I would want to happen though, but im just building what I think could be a comp to one of the biggest blockbusters of the decade. So I’m not sure what there is to move on from

Quoting: drambui

i feel holtz would be a better comparable to norris than Nemec.

My two thoughts were Nemec and Casey. I feel like they (right now) have the same top line ceiling that Norris had at the time.

Quoting: NHLfan10506

…or wait a few years and we’ll get him for free

The outcome I would want for sure. I’m not team trade for Quinn at all

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Nov. 10, 2023 at 9:16 p.m.

Tbrew

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Quoting: theleano1

Vancouver isn't moving Hughes

That’s fine, but also not the point. The point is what a comparable trade would be using the Erik Karlsson deal

Nov. 10, 2023 at 9:20 p.m.

#10

NHLfan10506

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Quoting: Tbrew

The outcome I would want for sure. I’m not team trade for Quinn at all

By 2025, new Harris Blitzer CEO Jim Hughes will get it done

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Nov. 10, 2023 at 9:41 p.m.

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Epic_Ninja_Dude

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Karlsson is not a good comparison for Hughes. Statistically, Hughes is a similar player to what Karlsson was at the time of the trade. However, Hughes just turned 24 a few weeks ago while Karlsson was 28 and a half years old when dealt. Additionally, Hughes has 4 year of term left while Karlsson was a rental at the time of the deal with just 1 year left on his contract.

The fact that Hughes is 4.5 years younger and comes with 4x the term would make his value much more than Karlsson's. Simply put, there is no comparison for Quinn Hughes on the trade market since a player of his calibre at his age simply hasn't been moved for probably 30+ years, if ever at all.

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Nov. 11, 2023 at 6:55 a.m.

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YeahDudeitsChris

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Neither side does this. NJ doesn’t need a no1 Dman with Hamilton already being paid for it, neither side wants to part with the assets necessary to make it happen, and NJ can’t afford his contract rn anyway. Revisit when he wants to leave as a UFA

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