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Mushy Middle Retool

Created by: WranglerWranglin
Team: 2023-24 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 15, 2023
Published: Nov. 15, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. Poulin, Samuel
  2. Rakell, Rickard
  3. 2024 2nd round pick (PIT)
PIT
  1. Dubé, Dillon
  2. Zadorov, Nikita
  3. 2024 4th round pick (CGY)
2.
CGY
  1. Lipkin, Sam [Reserve List]
  2. Söderström, Victor
  3. 2024 1st round pick (ARI)
ARI
  1. Hanifin, Noah
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (CGY)
Additional Details:
Hanifin extends 8 x 7.5

Arizona "took a long look at Hanifin early in the year" as per Friedman, so would I, top 5 handsome in the league.

TSN article rumoured that Hanifin had 7.5 x 8 on the table last month, something something, gift horse in the mouth
3.
CGY
  1. Hakanpää, Jani
  2. Steel, Sam
  3. 2024 1st round pick (DAL)
DAL
  1. Tanev, Christopher ($2,250,000 retained)
4.
CGY
  1. Forbort, Derek
  2. Lysell, Fabian
  3. 2025 1st round pick (BOS)
  4. 2026 3rd round pick (BOS)
BOS
  1. Lindholm, Elias ($2,425,000 retained)
Retained Salary Transactions
Buried
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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Logo of the BOS
Logo of the CGY
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2026
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Logo of the BOS
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$76,714,999$0$1,077,500$6,785,001
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LW, C
RFA - 2
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$5,800,000$5,800,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$10,500,000$10,500,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$5,000,000$5,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$4,900,000$4,900,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$3,100,000$3,100,000
RW, LW, C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$775,000$775,000
RW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$762,500$762,500
LW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$850,000$850,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$825,000$825,000
RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$813,333$813,333 (Performance Bonus$15,000$15K)
G
RFA - 1
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$3,000,000$3,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$762,500$762,500
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$762,500$762,500
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$762,500$762,500
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Calgary Flames
$1,300,000$1,300,000
C
UFA - 1

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Nov. 15, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.
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I would want 5 more years of Rakell, especially for the cost of Dube.
Nov. 15, 2023 at 1:40 p.m.
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Is Forbort just moving for cap or do teams see his value as a big PK guy?
Nov. 15, 2023 at 1:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Dr_Invictus
I would want 5 more years of Rakell, especially for the cost of Dube.


5 years of Rakell who has a really really simple buyout while the team is flush with cap space to get a prospect and a 1st round pick feels like a better move than holding onto Dube and hoping he breakout as some point or learns how to play defence. While Pittsburgh sheds cap, gets a contributor for now and the near future with some team control.
Nov. 15, 2023 at 1:46 p.m.
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Quoting: SJSF
Is Forbort just moving for cap or do teams see his value as a big PK guy?


I personally like Forbort and liked his stint with the Flames, in this scenario he is a cap move to bring in an excellent 200ft forward for a stretch run.
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Nov. 15, 2023 at 2:33 p.m.
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I think Poulin is closer to retiring than being an NHLer, his AHL stats aren't where you would hope and he's dealing with his mental health. It might be better he just moves on

For that reason I wouldn't want the Flames to trade for him
Nov. 15, 2023 at 2:41 p.m.
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That's probably too much for Tanev.

As written in an article in Sportnet, the price should be between the Luke Schenn trade and the Manson trade.

More towards the Manson trade if there is retention.
Nov. 15, 2023 at 2:43 p.m.
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Quoting: lowblocksniper
I think Poulin is closer to retiring than being an NHLer, his AHL stats aren't where you would hope and he's dealing with his mental health. It might be better he just moves on

For that reason I wouldn't want the Flames to trade for him


Kylington for Poulin straight up! That stinks for the kid and I hope he can bounce back wherever he plays
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Nov. 15, 2023 at 2:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Phleb2
That's probably too much for Tanev.

As written in an article in Sportnet, the price should be between the Luke Schenn trade and the Manson trade.

More towards the Manson trade if there is retention.


If I remember the Avs were pretty high on Helleson when they moves his so you could call that value maybe 2 second round picks ish?? For Manson at full pop 4.1M. Tanev you could argue is a better defender but a lesser player and at 2.25M I would hope the Flames could get similar if not better than the Manson deal. Now there's obviously the prospect of him not re-signing anywhere he goes so that could diminish value but I would hope for the really really upper end of the Manson - Schenn scale.
Nov. 15, 2023 at 2:54 p.m.
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Penguins decline. Not moving Rakell
Nov. 15, 2023 at 2:59 p.m.
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Quoting: Missouri
Penguins decline. Not moving Rakell


Any reason as to why?
Nov. 15, 2023 at 3:06 p.m.
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Quoting: WranglerWranglin
Any reason as to why?


Yeah, Dube will likely cost more in the long run and Rakell is locked in at a pretty decent contract (especially with cap going up). It should be safe to say you can expect 50-60 pts out of him every year especially playing with either Geno or Sid. Yes he is having a very slow start to the season but I am optimistic he will pickup his play. And well I kinda prefer Rakell more then Dube as he has more size and I just generally like his style of play more.
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Nov. 15, 2023 at 3:19 p.m.
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if CGY would take that deal for Lindholm, I would have done it yesterday
 
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