Tanev and Zadorov Asking Price

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Quoting: Devsfan25

Hanifin is more of the same. We definitely need a guy on this team whose a true bruiser. Zadorov and Tanev are good defensively and aren't afraid to lay the body. I would opt for Zadorov and if he was willing to sign for 4-5 years at a similar AAV to Graves, then I'm all in for that. I think if an extension were to occur at the TDL with Zadorov, Bahl could go the other way

I don’t think a bruiser helps us as much as a solid two-way dman who protects puck, can help maintain possession, deliver to puck to forwards in neutral zone.

The way the Devils are built - around possession, speed etc - makes it harder for a dman whose strength is physicality. The struggles of Smith (and to some extent, Bahl) are rooted in this mismatch.

Also, hits are also highly correlated with possession…teams that hold onto puck less tend to have more opportunities for hits. Teams that can hang onto puck, hit less. I’d think, if anything, we’d want guys who can take hits…absorb a forecheck, yet still maintain possession.

Nov. 27, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.

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If they did that, that'd be brutal. I think Hanifin, Tanev, and Zadorov should all be moved on the backend. Lindholm should also be moved and Backlund should have been moved before signing an extension

Yes, welcome to our lives the last 20 years...

Calgary should have sold last year and did exactly what I just described. NJ certainly got the better deal in the Toffoli trade and Calgary could have got more on all their assets prior to d day. It was a deep draft too, so there was no excuse for that kind of short sightedness.

I agree on all the above players. Backlund is the Boone Jenner of Calgary though: Solid leader, defensively sound, consistent, and can play anywhere in the line up. It's not worth trading him even if you are rebuilding. They will likely do it for him to play on a contending team as he approaches UFA status again.

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Nov. 27, 2023 at 3:43 p.m.

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I'd be happy with Hanifin even as a rental if the price is right. If the right deal can be found do what you say, if not you keep siegs-dougie and roll Bahl-Nemec.

In terms of goalies not too sure what's available but here are some things I'd be open to

Cheaper rental prices on guys like
Monty, Vejmelka, Allen, Stolarz, Reimer,

At higher prices if they become available, again still not paying massive prices for a goalie
LT
Ullmark
Ingram
Saros
Swayman

In 2 years all of these goalies hit UFA
Igor
Saros
Hill
Vejmelka
Vitek
Ullmark
Georgiev
LT

With vitek's contract expiring I think we could move Palat out and sign one of them, just got to figure out this year and next.

Assume Hanifin will be a 1st +
I see Fitz making a hard play for Saros in the summer (maybe Hart if its cheaper). Trotz lets Askarov get the team with Lakinen (extended)

Nov. 27, 2023 at 3:45 p.m.

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I understand what you're saying, but this team clearly has a reputation around the league as being "soft." They need a guy that's going to step up with a big hit and change the momentum, can fight if need be, and is a classic stay at home guy

Nov. 27, 2023 at 3:50 p.m.

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Quoting: Smitty426

Assume Hanifin will be a 1st +
I see Fitz making a hard play for Saros in the summer (maybe Hart if its cheaper). Trotz lets Askarov get the team with Lakinen (extended)

I would pay the price for Hanifin…if we had good shot at extension. He is still young guy, so he could take a 3-4 year deal, which may fit for NJD.

Nov. 27, 2023 at 3:51 p.m.

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I would pay the price for Hanifin…if we had good shot at extension. He is still young guy, so he could take a 3-4 year deal, which may fit for NJD.

If Hanifin was willing to go 6x6, I'm there for it. My offer would be Bahl, Clarke, 2024 1st with condition to move it to 2025 if Devils make ECF because SJ then receives the pick

Nov. 27, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.

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Quoting: Devsfan25

Yes…I hear you. But that could be 12th forward. Or even a guy we don’t always play. Doesn’t have to be top-4 dman that does that. I think if we decide to start adding physicality to our game plan…it means a wholesale shift in how the team plays. I don’t think we are there yet. Use the 4th line to add some thump…keep the overall approach.

Nov. 27, 2023 at 3:59 p.m.

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Quoting: Devsfan25

If Hanifin was willing to go 6x6, I'm there for it. My offer would be Bahl, Clarke, 2024 1st with condition to move it to 2025 if Devils make ECF because SJ then receives the pick

Sign me up.

My guess is that he will want a Severson/Weegar type of deal (mid $6m, max term) or take shorter, higher AAV deal (like $7m x 3 years) and still have another bite of the UFA apple.

Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:09 p.m.

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Sign me up.

My guess is that he will want a Severson/Weegar type of deal (mid $6m, max term) or take shorter, higher AAV deal (like $7m x 3 years) and still have another bite of the UFA apple.

yeah report of deal in place before it was pulled was $7.25 x 6 so it woudld need to be worked on

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Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:14 p.m.

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I think you’re right on with that. I could easily see the Devils offering a 2nd and Graeme Clarke. Clarke has put up good numbers in the AHL and looks ready to make the jump but he just doesn’t have anywhere to play. Him and Holtz battled for the 3RW spot and Holtz won that spot and has played well this season, especially of late. I just don’t see where Clarke would slide in. Would be a good candidate for the Flames to take a chance on. Same goes with Nolan Foote

Flames have a surplus of undersized wingers so Clarke would be of little interest. I don't mind Foote but I don't see him as more than another depth player. Calgary's farm team is once again top of the AHL, we really aren't that interested in depth. Especially wingers and LD. The Flames main needs are centers and RD.

I could see Daws being of interest too but he only has 2 more years of exemption left and we have Wolf.

What's the plan with Casey anyways? NJ really doesn't have room on the right side.

Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.

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yeah report of deal in place before it was pulled was $7.25 x 6 so it woudld need to be worked on

Yeah I def wouldn't be comfortable at max term. I'd be fine with 6 years under 7; highest I would probably go is 6.5

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Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.

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I would rather see Hanifin…just think he fits more of the way NJD plays. The question then becomes if we extend him or not…and if so, does Bahl go the other way.

I’d think prices end up around…
Hanifin = 1st, 3rd
Tanev = 2nd, 3rd
Zadorov = 3rd

(Then add a body for cap, add a pick for retention…)

Hanifin will cost more than a 1st and 3rd. Especially since it sounds like Dallas really wants him.

Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:17 p.m.

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Casey projects to be a high end player. The only way I could see Casey heading to CGY would be for Hanifin WITH an extension. Casey has established himself as a top prospect in the league. I doubt the Devils move Casey even for Hanifin, but that'd be the only way IMO. I think the Devils would likely center the deal around Bahl and 2024 1st for Hanifin and then your pick of Clarke or Foote

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Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Hanifin will cost more than a 1st and 3rd. Especially since it sounds like Dallas really wants him.

A prospect + 1st probably. Maybe Casey or Vilen.

I think NJD has the ammo to deal if the fit is right.

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Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:30 p.m.

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A prospect + 1st probably. Maybe Casey or Vilen.

I think NJD has the ammo to deal if the fit is right.

Would hate to part ways with Casey if it's not for a goalie. I feel like they'd opt to move someone like Hämeenaho first

Nov. 27, 2023 at 4:32 p.m.

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Hanifin will cost more than a 1st and 3rd. Especially since it sounds like Dallas really wants him.

I haven't seen anything about Hanifin to Dallas, but I'm not shocked they'd be in on him.

Do you have a link to the article about that so I can read more?

Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:02 p.m.

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Oh I know all about him, I was more curious how they planned to fit him in with their current RD depth.

Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:03 p.m.

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Would hate to part ways with Casey if it's not for a goalie. I feel like they'd opt to move someone like Hämeenaho first

I would be reluctant to part with Casey as well…but I think it’s well within the norm to move a prospect like Casey for guy like Hanifin.

Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:06 p.m.

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I haven't seen anything about Hanifin to Dallas, but I'm not shocked they'd be in on him.

Do you have a link to the article about that so I can read more?

It's been reported that Dallas is looking to add the best defenseman available by Friedman. That is almost certainly going to be Hanifin. I could see them making Bourque available in a bidding war. I also imagine they would be looking to sign him long term

Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:11 p.m.

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I would be reluctant to part with Casey as well…but I think it’s well within the norm to move a prospect like Casey for guy like Hanifin.

If Casey were to be involved, then I don’t believe we should be parting with a first. I’d downgrade it a 2nd

Nov. 27, 2023 at 5:28 p.m.

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