islanders not only not shopping dobson but he is incredibly untouchable

They should

The trade doesn’t even help the isles in a rebuild. They’re getting a bunch of mid pieces back and a late 1st.

Dobson trade starts with Perfetti

Goodluck with that lol

Then good luck with Dobson…

Just not nearly enough value for Dobson - a real quantity over quality type deal. Salomonsson and Chisholm look like depth players at this point, so they don't bring much value to the deal. The picks are okay but are most likely going to be in the later parts of each round. Lucius still looks like a middle-6 player but he's been passed over in that system - I'd rather have McGroarty or Barlow since the Isles need wingers more than centers. And Schmidt is an anchor - he's making nearly $6M through the end of next season and has 1 point in his first 20 games this season while getting bottom pair minutes.

The package isn't enough, to me, without Schmidt in it - and adding him as an anchor actually makes the package pretty lacking.

You're outside of your mind if you think you're getting a better package of futures then that.. soooo have fun being mid for another 20 year I guess

Dobson is one of the best defenseman in the game, and he’s a RD. His value in a trade is extremely high. He’s getting equal or more then what Seth jones returned

Hmmm this is better than the Jones return

Is it, thought?

When they traded Seth Jones, the Jackets wound up swapping #32 & #173 in the 2021 draft for #12 & #44, while also getting a 2022 1st rounder and Adam Boqvist, who was 21 at the time and in the last year of his ELC, and had put up 16 points in 35 GP during the bubble season (a 37 point pace.)

This package does have a future 1st rounder included in it, but I don't think the rest of the package lines up with the value the Jackets got for Jones. Chisholm & Salomonsson aren't really adding much value, and I would say that an RHD with success at the NHL level like Boqvist would be more valuable than a forward with 23 AHL games under his belt like Lucius. And, personally, I think the 2nd rounder is cancelled out by the fact that Schmidt has an another year left on his deal at that $5.95M cap hit and already looks pretty washed.

Chicago gave up their 2021 12th overall pick, Adam boqvist (who was a far better prospect than anyone in this trade) and a 2022 1st rd lock .

This trade has nothing close to that level

You are seemingly undervaluing Salomonsson and Lucuis incredibly while overvaluing Boqvist an equal amount

Salomonsson is a boom-or-bust prospect - those type of players tend to bust more often once they get into the Islanders developmental system, so I personally wouldn't put a ton of value on a player like that. Lucius' value is hampered by his inability to stay healthy (he already missed nearly a month of time this season after playing a total of 18 games last year.)

I don't think it's overrating Boqvist to say that, in a trade, a 21-year-old who has had success at the NHL level is going to be more valuable than a 20-year-old with 24 AHL games to his name or a 19-year-old who hasn't even left Europe yet. It's not saying that Salomonsson or Lucius are bums, or saying that Boqvist is the next Bobby Orr, it's simply saying that one's a proven commodity while the others are still just potential and nothing more. If I'm trading a blue-chip player like Dobson, I want something more concrete coming back than two prospects with their own question marks.

And, again, that's before we even get to the $6M anchor named Nate Schmidt that's somehow included in this trade.

A "proven commodity" on pace for 0 goals and 11 assists this season, Boqvist was a dime per dozen mobile Dman putting up ok numbers on the pp. Salo is shutting down top lines in the SHL at 19 years old. Lucuis has looked filthy everywhere hes played barring injury. Like i said noone is going to pay more than 2 good prospects a 1st and a young nhl ready minimum bottom 4 2nd pp defencman. plus 2nd for taking Schmidt.

Many teams would beat this offer. Isles would laugh if this was the jets offer for a young defenseman who’s currently in the Norris conversation

I don't think Dobson is the target at TDL. Even if the Jets make a deal with a rebuilding Islanders, it would be Brock Nelson or Ryan Pulock. RHD's like Dobson are pretty much un-acquirable for competing teams that can't give back key players (like Perfetti).

Change "SHL" to "Liiga" and you're describing Robin Salo, who was drafted #46 after his age-19 season. He's played 31 NHL games to date, and it's been almost a full calendar year since his last appearance.



Emphasis mine. Lucius is back on the ice now, but for how long? I don't doubt the talent, but he's had an inauspicious start to his professional career.



What Boqvist is doing now is hardly relevant to how his value was perceived at the time of the trade. When he was traded, he was 21 years old and had already been given playoff minutes and been trusted to be the PP QB on a team that still had Duncan Keith. Acting like he wasn't a desirable trade chip after the 2020-21 season because he's struggling in the 2023-24 season is revisionist history.

I also stressed the proven commodity idea because the Islanders have *not* proven all that well at developing mid & lower-tier prospects. Going back to 2016 (so all of Lou's drafts + the 2 years before that, since those were all U21s that the Lamoriello regime inherited & developed), the Islanders have had a grand total of 4 players drafted after the 2nd round (out of a potential 33) actually appear in the NHL. And even though they've had 9 of their 13 1st+2nd rounders get NHL time in that span, the general consensus is that any player not named Noah Dobson has been a bit of a letdown. This is why, if I'm entertaining the thought of trading the only draft success story this team has had since Mat Barzal, I would be looking for something more concrete than guys with red flags like Lucius and Salomonsson.

Claiming a trade isnt up to par because your team cant develop prospects is pretty dumb youre not gonna get improved trade offers with this reasoning maybe time to get rid of the worst GM in the league

Isles aren’t trading a Norris candidate for scraps , which is what you have in this trade. It’s that simple. Every team in the league can beat your offer.

Cap is going up so isles will have no problem giving him 8.5 x 8 anyways