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Created by: Bennecon
Team: 2024-25 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 9, 2023
Published: Dec. 9, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,750,000
2$1,000,000
2$850,000
2$1,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
8$12,000,000
3$4,000,000
4$3,000,000
5$4,750,000
2$2,000,000
1$1,000,000
1$875,000
3$2,000,000
2$1,000,000
7$9,250,000
1$775,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. 2024 3rd round pick (CHI)
CHI
  1. Nylander, William
Additional Details:
Sign and trade so Chicago can give him the 8th year.

Severson got a mid 3rd so I don’t think this is crazy
2.
TOR
  1. Matheson, Michael
Additional Details:
2023 TDL with Sean Monahan
MTL
  1. Niemelä, Topi
  2. Robertson, Nicholas
  3. Timmins, Conor
  4. 2024 1st round pick (TOR)
  5. 2024 3rd round pick (CHI)
  6. 2026 5th round pick (TOR)
3.
TOR
  1. 2025 4th round pick (NYI)
NYI
  1. Kämpf, David
Additional Details:
Somewhere
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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Logo of the OTT
2025
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Logo of the NYI
Logo of the TOR
Logo of the CHI
Logo of the TOR
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$87,700,000$87,586,334$0$0$113,666
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$13,250,000$13,250,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
$9,250,000$9,250,000
C, RW
UFA
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,000,000$3,000,000
C, RW
UFA
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,750,000$4,750,000
LW, RW
UFA
$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, LW, RW
UFA
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
RFA
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$816,667$816,667
C, LW
RFA - 3
$1,000,000$1,000,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$775,000$775,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 6
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
UFA
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$766,667$766,667
G
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
RFA
$1,000,000$1,000,000
G
UFA
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
$2,000,000$2,000,000
RD
UFA
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$875,000$875,000
G
UFA
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$850,000$850,000
LD
UFA - 3
Taxi Squad
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$1,350,000$1,350,000 ($200,000$200K$200,000$200K)
RW
UFA - 2

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Dec. 9, 2023 at 11:53 p.m.
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Quoting: SwarmChair
My bad.

Ahh k didn’t realize that. Yeh RFA vs. UFA is gonna make a difference there. I’m still surprised the return would be so low though, but I guess that’s the value of just Rights. Would a sign and trade be at all possible to maximize return…?


Well, if they are doing a sign and trade like NJ did with Severson, I would imagine that they could probably get more than just a 3rd, I would suspect up to a late 1st, or early 2nd, but maybe not. If CHI is doing this though, I think a) either they need a lower AAV on the 8-years or they just trade or b) they trade a 3rd for his rights just to be able to pitch a 7-year deal to him before anyone else can. That extra year is more so for the player than it is for the team if the AAV is not coming down.

Quoting: SwarmChair
Ahh okay thanks for the explanation. Makes sense now. So it’s kind of like the Hyman situation then, where he was UFA and Dubas was trying to get a small pick from the Oilers to get him that 8th year. But then Dubas didn’t take the pick. What was up with that?


I think Dubas wanted a 4th based on what teams would ask him for similar savings in terms of retention and the Oilers thought that was too much since guys usually go for 5ths or lower. Holland never offered what he wanted.
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 12:24 a.m.
#27
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Minten is the 3rd line center next season. He is not making the team as the 4th line center. Idk why Trev is looking for a 3rd line center because this season Domi has played really good there and no good on the wing.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 1:42 a.m.
#28
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Quoting: GMBL
I think that's just silly to cut off any chances of being able to re-sign him for a mere 3rd. A 1st? Maybe. The Leafs will lose any advantage they have over other teams once he hits FA, but that also means Nylander is potentially losing money by missing out on that 8th year, a good team or a team that he would be interested in doesn't need to be going to offer him a similar offer. Both Panarin and Tavares passed on higher AAV offers to end up in NY and TOR, Panarin still ended up being the highest-paid winger but it's not like Tavares ended up being the highest-paid C, although he had the opportunity supposedly.

See the edit below as well.


A 1st for his signing rights? Now that is outright delusional. If it's clear an extension isn't getting done you take the best offer available for his signing right.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 7:57 a.m.
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Edited Dec. 10, 2023 at 8:55 a.m.
Quoting: GiggywithGibby
A 1st for his signing rights? Now that is outright delusional. If it's clear an extension isn't getting done you take the best offer available for his signing right.


Not for mere signing rights, a sign and trade but I wasn't saying they would get that, I'm talking about would it be worth taking. No one is going to pay it for rights and probably not in a sign and trade either (of course I'm not suggesting a rebuilder give up a 1st either) but that's not the point. The point is it's not worth trading him for a 3rd unless there's zero chance of signing him because 1) he doesn't want to sign with the team or 2) they clearly don't have the cap to sign him (e.g they only have 5M in cap and he's going to cost 10m+), neither of which is true for Toronto at this time.

Some players you simply don't give up trying to sign them just because they are about to hit the open market and Nylander is one of those players. All that happens on July 1st is the team loses any advantage that they had over other teams, they likely lose him as well but it's quite possible to still retain him. It's better to lose him for nothing while trying to sign him in the last minutes before he becomes a UFA and trying to sign him as a UFA, than to get a 3rd for him, which is nothing in comparison.

If he says he's not signing then, sure, you take the best offer as long as he's not going to a division rival. If it's known that he intends to go to a division rival, then you don't help them get him for cheaper, even for a 3rd.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:28 a.m.
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I wouldn't even be comfortable giving him 7 years, let alone 8 years at $12m. Honestly, for a rebuilding CHI team, giving out anything over $8.5m aav and/or over 5 years term would make me uncomfortable. Especially to a 28 year old, soon to be 29.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 10:27 a.m.
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Habs laugh at you. It’s not even enough for Matheaon and you want Monahan on top of that? Lol
Dec. 10, 2023 at 11:41 a.m.
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Quoting: Bennecon
Idk if someone would actually offer something like that but for Chicago who is paying no one 12 mil a year isn’t too bad and when they are good the cap will be up

But 12 x 8 is 96mil total
At 7 years to get to 96mil a team would have to pay 13.7mil a season.

So Chicago doing this would make it so no other team could or want to match


$13.7 million?!?!

Give him $8.5m-$9.5m….anything more, let ‘em walk.

13.7 would be bonkers.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 5:48 p.m.
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Bennecon
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
$13.7 million?!?!

Give him $8.5m-$9.5m….anything more, let ‘em walk.

13.7 would be bonkers.

I agree
 
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