The fitzy move you never saw coming

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$81,361,008	$422,500	$5,082,500	$2,138,992

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Haula, Erik $3,150,000$3,150,000 C, LW NTC UFA - 3	Hughes, Jack $8,000,000$8,000,000 C UFA - 7	Bratt, Jesper $7,875,000$7,875,000 RW, LW UFA - 8
Palat, Ondrej $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 4	Hischier, Nico $7,250,000$7,250,000 C UFA - 4	Meier, Timo $8,800,000$8,800,000 LW, RW UFA - 8
Toffoli, Tyler $2,125,000$2,125,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	McLeod, Michael $1,400,000$1,400,000 C RFA - 1	Holtz, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 2
Smith, Brendan $1,100,000$1,100,000 LD/RD, LW UFA - 1	Lazar, Curtis $1,000,000$1,000,000 RW, C UFA - 2	Bastian, Nathan $1,350,000$1,350,000 RW UFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Siegenthaler, Jonas $3,400,000$3,400,000 LD UFA - 5	Marino, John $4,400,000$4,400,000 RD UFA - 4	Sorokin, Ilya $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 1
Pettersson, Marcus $4,025,175$4,025,175 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Hamilton, Dougie $9,000,000$9,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 5	Schmid, Akira $850,833$850,833 ($57,500$58K) G RFA - 1
Hughes, Luke $925,000$925,000 ($925,000$925K) LD/RD RFA - 2	Nemec, Simon $918,333$918,333 ($3,250,000$3M) RD RFA - 3

Dec. 14, 2023 at 5:54 p.m.

#26

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Quoting: dgibb10

I see the islanders as a team that should be rebuilding. Not much they can do to add and I don't see a team with a top 6 that includes Anders Lee, Brock Nelson, Pierre Engvall, and Kyle Palmieri doing real damage come playoff team.

You can take vanacek out if you really want. He's a stopgap who can handle a 50+ game workload. If he doesn't perform, you move on, no harm done. If he plays like he did last year, you can either resign him or ship him out as 28 year old starter.

Or you can waive him. I would expect to see one of Chicago, Columbus, or Toronto put in a claim.

Stillman should be a quality bottom 6er for dirt cheap. Nothing more, nothing less, but a piece a rebuilding team should look for.
Daws. Again not a big piece. Young goalie with some upside, literally no downside
You can take out Vanacek, Stillman, 3rd, Daws, retention if you like.

Into Mercer+1st for Sorokin

Mercer costs 900k this year, and has 4 more years as an RFA after. You can go sign him to a 5x8/5.5x8

Shown to be a durable, quality NHLer at age 20,21,22.

Would have finished 2nd on your team in 5v5 points last year. Kills penalties.

Mercer from age 22-30, for 3 million dollars less+ a 1st

Sorokin from ages 28-36, for 3 mill more.

How much does a middle 6 C cost in UFA? Cause I'd say that's mercer's floor

I saw Andrew Copp and Vincent Trochek go for 5.6, 35 year old backlund got extended for 4.5, Compher 5.1, Wennberg 4.5, JGP 5, Coyle 5.25. And I'd say a lot of those guys are more of 3Cs.

Quoting: dgibb10

I see the islanders as a team that should be rebuilding. Not much they can do to add and I don't see a team with a top 6 that includes Anders Lee, Brock Nelson, Pierre Engvall, and Kyle Palmieri doing real damage come playoff team.

You can take vanacek out if you really want. He's a stopgap who can handle a 50+ game workload. If he doesn't perform, you move on, no harm done. If he plays like he did last year, you can either resign him or ship him out as 28 year old starter.

Or you can waive him. I would expect to see one of Chicago, Columbus, or Toronto put in a claim.

Stillman should be a quality bottom 6er for dirt cheap. Nothing more, nothing less, but a piece a rebuilding team should look for.
Daws. Again not a big piece. Young goalie with some upside, literally no downside
You can take out Vanacek, Stillman, 3rd, Daws, retention if you like.

Into Mercer+1st for Sorokin

Mercer costs 900k this year, and has 4 more years as an RFA after. You can go sign him to a 5x8/5.5x8

Shown to be a durable, quality NHLer at age 20,21,22.

Would have finished 2nd on your team in 5v5 points last year. Kills penalties.

Mercer from age 22-30, for 3 million dollars less+ a 1st

Sorokin from ages 28-36, for 3 mill more.

How much does a middle 6 C cost in UFA? Cause I'd say that's mercer's floor

I saw Andrew Copp and Vincent Trochek go for 5.6, 35 year old backlund got extended for 4.5, Compher 5.1, Wennberg 4.5, JGP 5, Coyle 5.25. And I'd say a lot of those guys are more of 3Cs.

Quoting: dgibb10

I see the islanders as a team that should be rebuilding. Not much they can do to add and I don't see a team with a top 6 that includes Anders Lee, Brock Nelson, Pierre Engvall, and Kyle Palmieri doing real damage come playoff team.

You can take vanacek out if you really want. He's a stopgap who can handle a 50+ game workload. If he doesn't perform, you move on, no harm done. If he plays like he did last year, you can either resign him or ship him out as 28 year old starter.

Or you can waive him. I would expect to see one of Chicago, Columbus, or Toronto put in a claim.

Stillman should be a quality bottom 6er for dirt cheap. Nothing more, nothing less, but a piece a rebuilding team should look for.
Daws. Again not a big piece. Young goalie with some upside, literally no downside
You can take out Vanacek, Stillman, 3rd, Daws, retention if you like.

Into Mercer+1st for Sorokin

Mercer costs 900k this year, and has 4 more years as an RFA after. You can go sign him to a 5x8/5.5x8

Shown to be a durable, quality NHLer at age 20,21,22.

Would have finished 2nd on your team in 5v5 points last year. Kills penalties.

Mercer from age 22-30, for 3 million dollars less+ a 1st

Sorokin from ages 28-36, for 3 mill more.

How much does a middle 6 C cost in UFA? Cause I'd say that's mercer's floor

I saw Andrew Copp and Vincent Trochek go for 5.6, 35 year old backlund got extended for 4.5, Compher 5.1, Wennberg 4.5, JGP 5, Coyle 5.25. And I'd say a lot of those guys are more of 3Cs.

Quoting: dgibb10

I see the islanders as a team that should be rebuilding. Not much they can do to add and I don't see a team with a top 6 that includes Anders Lee, Brock Nelson, Pierre Engvall, and Kyle Palmieri doing real damage come playoff team.

You can take vanacek out if you really want. He's a stopgap who can handle a 50+ game workload. If he doesn't perform, you move on, no harm done. If he plays like he did last year, you can either resign him or ship him out as 28 year old starter.

Or you can waive him. I would expect to see one of Chicago, Columbus, or Toronto put in a claim.

Stillman should be a quality bottom 6er for dirt cheap. Nothing more, nothing less, but a piece a rebuilding team should look for.
Daws. Again not a big piece. Young goalie with some upside, literally no downside
You can take out Vanacek, Stillman, 3rd, Daws, retention if you like.

Into Mercer+1st for Sorokin

Mercer costs 900k this year, and has 4 more years as an RFA after. You can go sign him to a 5x8/5.5x8

Shown to be a durable, quality NHLer at age 20,21,22.

Would have finished 2nd on your team in 5v5 points last year. Kills penalties.

Mercer from age 22-30, for 3 million dollars less+ a 1st

Sorokin from ages 28-36, for 3 mill more.

How much does a middle 6 C cost in UFA? Cause I'd say that's mercer's floor

I saw Andrew Copp and Vincent Trochek go for 5.6, 35 year old backlund got extended for 4.5, Compher 5.1, Wennberg 4.5, JGP 5, Coyle 5.25. And I'd say a lot of those guys are more of 3Cs.

Quoting: dgibb10

I see the islanders as a team that should be rebuilding. Not much they can do to add and I don't see a team with a top 6 that includes Anders Lee, Brock Nelson, Pierre Engvall, and Kyle Palmieri doing real damage come playoff team.

You can take vanacek out if you really want. He's a stopgap who can handle a 50+ game workload. If he doesn't perform, you move on, no harm done. If he plays like he did last year, you can either resign him or ship him out as 28 year old starter.

Or you can waive him. I would expect to see one of Chicago, Columbus, or Toronto put in a claim.

Stillman should be a quality bottom 6er for dirt cheap. Nothing more, nothing less, but a piece a rebuilding team should look for.
Daws. Again not a big piece. Young goalie with some upside, literally no downside
You can take out Vanacek, Stillman, 3rd, Daws, retention if you like.

Into Mercer+1st for Sorokin

Mercer costs 900k this year, and has 4 more years as an RFA after. You can go sign him to a 5x8/5.5x8

Shown to be a durable, quality NHLer at age 20,21,22.

Would have finished 2nd on your team in 5v5 points last year. Kills penalties.

Mercer from age 22-30, for 3 million dollars less+ a 1st

Sorokin from ages 28-36, for 3 mill more.

How much does a middle 6 C cost in UFA? Cause I'd say that's mercer's floor

I saw Andrew Copp and Vincent Trochek go for 5.6, 35 year old backlund got extended for 4.5, Compher 5.1, Wennberg 4.5, JGP 5, Coyle 5.25. And I'd say a lot of those guys are more of 3Cs.

Quoting: dgibb10

I see the islanders as a team that should be rebuilding. Not much they can do to add and I don't see a team with a top 6 that includes Anders Lee, Brock Nelson, Pierre Engvall, and Kyle Palmieri doing real damage come playoff team.

You can take vanacek out if you really want. He's a stopgap who can handle a 50+ game workload. If he doesn't perform, you move on, no harm done. If he plays like he did last year, you can either resign him or ship him out as 28 year old starter.

Or you can waive him. I would expect to see one of Chicago, Columbus, or Toronto put in a claim.

Stillman should be a quality bottom 6er for dirt cheap. Nothing more, nothing less, but a piece a rebuilding team should look for.
Daws. Again not a big piece. Young goalie with some upside, literally no downside
You can take out Vanacek, Stillman, 3rd, Daws, retention if you like.

Into Mercer+1st for Sorokin

Mercer costs 900k this year, and has 4 more years as an RFA after. You can go sign him to a 5x8/5.5x8

Shown to be a durable, quality NHLer at age 20,21,22.

Would have finished 2nd on your team in 5v5 points last year. Kills penalties.

Mercer from age 22-30, for 3 million dollars less+ a 1st

Sorokin from ages 28-36, for 3 mill more.

How much does a middle 6 C cost in UFA? Cause I'd say that's mercer's floor

I saw Andrew Copp and Vincent Trochek go for 5.6, 35 year old backlund got extended for 4.5, Compher 5.1, Wennberg 4.5, JGP 5, Coyle 5.25. And I'd say a lot of those guys are more of 3Cs.

Quoting: dgibb10

I see the islanders as a team that should be rebuilding. Not much they can do to add and I don't see a team with a top 6 that includes Anders Lee, Brock Nelson, Pierre Engvall, and Kyle Palmieri doing real damage come playoff team.

You can take vanacek out if you really want. He's a stopgap who can handle a 50+ game workload. If he doesn't perform, you move on, no harm done. If he plays like he did last year, you can either resign him or ship him out as 28 year old starter.

Or you can waive him. I would expect to see one of Chicago, Columbus, or Toronto put in a claim.

Stillman should be a quality bottom 6er for dirt cheap. Nothing more, nothing less, but a piece a rebuilding team should look for.
Daws. Again not a big piece. Young goalie with some upside, literally no downside
You can take out Vanacek, Stillman, 3rd, Daws, retention if you like.

Into Mercer+1st for Sorokin

Mercer costs 900k this year, and has 4 more years as an RFA after. You can go sign him to a 5x8/5.5x8

Shown to be a durable, quality NHLer at age 20,21,22.

Would have finished 2nd on your team in 5v5 points last year. Kills penalties.

Mercer from age 22-30, for 3 million dollars less+ a 1st

Sorokin from ages 28-36, for 3 mill more.

How much does a middle 6 C cost in UFA? Cause I'd say that's mercer's floor

I saw Andrew Copp and Vincent Trochek go for 5.6, 35 year old backlund got extended for 4.5, Compher 5.1, Wennberg 4.5, JGP 5, Coyle 5.25. And I'd say a lot of those guys are more of 3Cs.

Quoting: dgibb10

I see the islanders as a team that should be rebuilding. Not much they can do to add and I don't see a team with a top 6 that includes Anders Lee, Brock Nelson, Pierre Engvall, and Kyle Palmieri doing real damage come playoff team.

You can take vanacek out if you really want. He's a stopgap who can handle a 50+ game workload. If he doesn't perform, you move on, no harm done. If he plays like he did last year, you can either resign him or ship him out as 28 year old starter.

Or you can waive him. I would expect to see one of Chicago, Columbus, or Toronto put in a claim.

Stillman should be a quality bottom 6er for dirt cheap. Nothing more, nothing less, but a piece a rebuilding team should look for.
Daws. Again not a big piece. Young goalie with some upside, literally no downside
You can take out Vanacek, Stillman, 3rd, Daws, retention if you like.

Into Mercer+1st for Sorokin

Mercer costs 900k this year, and has 4 more years as an RFA after. You can go sign him to a 5x8/5.5x8

Shown to be a durable, quality NHLer at age 20,21,22.

Would have finished 2nd on your team in 5v5 points last year. Kills penalties.

Mercer from age 22-30, for 3 million dollars less+ a 1st

Sorokin from ages 28-36, for 3 mill more.

How much does a middle 6 C cost in UFA? Cause I'd say that's mercer's floor

I saw Andrew Copp and Vincent Trochek go for 5.6, 35 year old backlund got extended for 4.5, Compher 5.1, Wennberg 4.5, JGP 5, Coyle 5.25. And I'd say a lot of those guys are more of 3Cs.

Yeah, you’re delusional if you think Mercer and a late 1st is anything even close to fair value for Sorokin

Dec. 14, 2023 at 6:20 p.m.

#27

dgibb10

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Quoting: tm0000

Yeah, you’re delusional if you think Mercer and a late 1st is anything even close to fair value for Sorokin

Follow the money. Positional value.

Just look at the islanders. Bo Horvat (career 2C with numbers over his career similar to what Mercer put up at 21 years old) got 8.5 million dollars a year.

Ilya Sorokin got just 8.25 from the same team.

The New York islanders went out and said “Bo Horvat is more valuable to us than Ilya Sorokin”

Dec. 14, 2023 at 6:36 p.m.

#28

dgibb10

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Quoting: tm0000

Yeah, you’re delusional if you think Mercer and a late 1st is anything even close to fair value for Sorokin

It's more than Van got for Schneider.

Dec. 14, 2023 at 7:37 p.m.

#29

brgh4life

Joined: Jun. 2019

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Love seeing Pettersson get the respect and value he deserves now, but with that said the Pens aren't going to rebuild during the Crosby era and trading Pettersson just can't happen. He's part of one of the best D pairings in the league so giving him to a division opponent for futures isn't happening.

Dec. 15, 2023 at 12:53 a.m.

#30

Seeds

Joined: Jul. 2023

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this might be the worst ****ing move ive ever seen

Dec. 15, 2023 at 10:33 a.m.

#31

tm0000

Joined: Jul. 2018

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Quoting: dgibb10

It's more than Van got for Schneider.

First, that trade was 10 years ago. Second, Schneider didn't have nearly the resume that Sorokin has.

Sorokin is

Quoting: dgibb10

Follow the money. Positional value.

Just look at the islanders. Bo Horvat (career 2C with numbers over his career similar to what Mercer put up at 21 years old) got 8.5 million dollars a year.

Ilya Sorokin got just 8.25 from the same team.

The New York islanders went out and said “Bo Horvat is more valuable to us than Ilya Sorokin”

Since comparing forward and goalie salaries is apples and oranges, a better way to look at it as far as salary would be: once Sorokin's extension kicks in, he'll be the 4th highest-paid goalie in the league. Horvat is the 29th highest-paid forward and 41st highest-paid skater.

Dec. 15, 2023 at 12:38 p.m.

#32

dgibb10

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Quoting: tm0000

First, that trade was 10 years ago. Second, Schneider didn't have nearly the resume that Sorokin has.

Sorokin is

Since comparing forward and goalie salaries is apples and oranges, a better way to look at it as far as salary would be: once Sorokin's extension kicks in, he'll be the 4th highest-paid goalie in the league. Horvat is the 29th highest-paid forward and 41st highest-paid skater.

Except not really. The salary cap isn’t weighed positionally.
You get a certain amount of money to spend on your entire team.

The data started getting better, more information was available, and teams realized something. Goalies aren’t nearly as valuable as previously thought. Hundreds and hundreds of people who’s job it is to find the best ways to use the limited budget realized that goalies do not provide the value that skaters do, and more specifically, are the least trustworthy asset in hockey.

Remember how high goalies used to go in drafts? Teams don’t do that anymore. Because they don’t value goalies as highly
Teams don’t trade massive packages for goalies
Goalies don’t recieve contracts comparable. Goalies are WAY less valuable than they were even 5-10 years ago.

Look at what Bobrovsky and Price got in a lower salary market.

Now you get 2 elite goalies hit UFA at the same time and get the same or less as a high end 2C.

If Sorokin and Hellebuyuck are worth so much money why didn’t they walk to the market and go get a 10+ mill bag?

Veteran Goalies aren’t a hot commodity.

You know what is a hot commodity? ELC/first time RFA roster players.

You paid the 13th overall pick for a mediocre defenseman in Romanov. Wanna know why? Because he was young, had shown it at the NHL level, and cheap.

Look at the hauls Montreal paid for Dach and Newhook.

The biggest payment in recent memory wasn’t for a superstar. It was for Brandon Hagel. Because he was young, cheap, and developing.

Marc Andre Fleury won the vezina. Wanna know what happened to him that offseason? Traded for future considerations

Dec. 15, 2023 at 12:46 p.m.

#33

Opie

Joined: May 2017

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Quoting: dfawcett

I don't see any way that the Isles do this, particularly given the retention for the term of the contract, without a much higher quality package. If they would trade Sorokin at all...

I think you would at least have to add Hughes or Nemec, maybe more with the retention over 8 years.

Once he finds one he likes, Lou is all about his Keepers ... no way he trades Sorokin.

Dec. 16, 2023 at 12:58 a.m.

#34

Goose1227

Joined: Sep. 2023

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Brady Tkachuk to NJ…where his wife is from, where he got married, Huges/Tkachuk families very close, Fitz cousins…Sens aren’t getting g any better. It’s only a matter of time before Brady says enough is enough, I want out.

Nemec, Mercer/Holtz/Meier/Bratt, 1st, maybe Stillman type player…just sayin

Dec. 16, 2023 at 10:56 a.m.

#35

Tintin

do not Devil my ass

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Quoting: Goose1227

Brady Tkachuk to NJ…where his wife is from, where he got married, Huges/Tkachuk families very close, Fitz cousins…Sens aren’t getting g any better. It’s only a matter of time before Brady says enough is enough, I want out.

Nemec, Mercer/Holtz/Meier/Bratt, 1st, maybe Stillman type player…just sayin

I get the feeling you don't get how good of a hockey player Jesper Bratt is.
Trading Bratt alone for Brady Tkachuk would most likely be a straight downgrade for the Devils.

Dec. 16, 2023 at 11:52 a.m.

#36

dgibb10

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Quoting: Tintin

I get the feeling you don't get how good of a hockey player Jesper Bratt is.
Trading Bratt alone for Brady Tkachuk would most likely be a straight downgrade for the Devils.

Brady Tkachuk is weirdly one of the most overrated players in the NHL

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