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Forum: Armchair-GM24 hours ago

Thread: This is the future

NJ has been home to the most Superfund sites since the 70s, we are accustomed to people dumping here.

Forum: Armchair-GM24 hours ago

Thread: LOU WTF DID YOU JUST DO

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Canucks33</b></div><div>Pick is top-12 protected.

I'd be happy is the Islanders protected their pick this year because that team's unprotected 1st next year could be.........good. If we get the 2023 1st then we get a mid 1st in a stacked draft. That's a win-win.</div></div>

I think its all win for the Nucks. Tough situation, good squeeze

Forum: Armchair-GM24 hours ago

Thread: Meier new value

Lou still Givin it to the Devs, even from afar ... He couldn't strip anymore prospects out of NJ directly, so he found a new way.

Forum: Armchair-GM24 hours ago

Thread: LOU WTF DID YOU JUST DO

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Canucks33</b></div><div>What are the conditions?</div></div>

Conditions? ... playoffs or bust.

Forum: Armchair-GM24 hours ago

Thread: SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME ONE POSITIVE JUST ONE THATS ALL I NEED

When Horvat leaves, you'll have more Cap room

Forum: Armchair-GM24 hours ago

Thread: Thank you for ruin our future Lou

This is what Lou does ... see Devils, NJ. He pushes and pushes until there is just nothing left. It works for a time, but a few bad drafts and that's it, no where else to go.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 24 at 12:01 p.m.

Thread: Tom Fitzgeralds biggest off-season decisions

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devil</b></div><div>1. Ruff extended, Brunette walks
I think Ruff gets a management role and Brunette gets promoted
2. Bratt extends over the summer
Agreed, 8x8
3. Graves and Severson walk (short-term UFA signed)
Agreed, not sure who though. Maybe a trade
4. A big deal is done at draft
I could see trading UFA rights trade
5. Blackwood not qualified (back-up signed)
Agreed but Schmid takes backup role
6. Sharangovich gets 1-year
Agreed but maybe we can finesse him into long term low AAV contract
7. Zetterlund gets 1-year
Same as Yegor
8. A mix of options used at 3C
Henrique🙏
9. Miles Wood walks
Agreed and Foote takes his spot
10. All four expire
Agreed</div></div>

Like your take on 1 ... think it would be a mistake to let Brunette get away & yet it would be hard to completely jettison Ruff. It would seem out of character for NJ.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 23 at 4:42 p.m.

Thread: Tom Fitzgeralds biggest off-season decisions

Yup. All looks spot on to me. Thanks for the summary.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 22 at 2:45 p.m.

Thread: Graves plus an unlikely and risky 3C for 23 24

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>3C options via trade
- Nicholas Roy
- Sam Bennett
- Ross Colton
- Adam Henrique
- Pierre-Luc Dubois
- Blake Coleman (!)
- Jack Roslovic

3C options via free agency
- Jonathan Toews
- Ryan O'Rielly
- Ivan Barbashev
- Sean Monahan
- Lars Ellers
- Nick Bonino
- Paul Stastny
- Max Domi
- JT Compher
- David Kampf

3C options internally
- Dawson Mercer
- Yegor Sharangovich
- Erik Haula (extended)
- Seamus Casey

(So it will probably be Luke Glendening or some other McLeod clone)</div></div>

Casey plays / has experience at center?

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 22 at 1:55 p.m.

Thread: Graves plus an unlikely and risky 3C for 23 24

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>Kadri signed 7x7 at 32. ROR has the better career. I don’t see any way he doesn’t start at 7m aav</div></div>

That may be true, but UFA signings are forward looking.

Kadri was had a fantastic walk year & no injury ... ROR hasn't looked himself this season & has to return from a broken foot at some point. I agree GMs can be reckless, but there will be some questions, unless ROR returns and re-establishes his value with his historical level of play. You are probably right, but league wide Cap Room will be tight again & that's a tough contract to swallow ... for his sake, I hope he gets it.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 22 at 1:40 p.m.

Thread: Graves plus an unlikely and risky 3C for 23 24

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>Zacha just got close to 5m. I’ll never under estimate gms short sightless to win</div></div>

Not sure that's a great comp. Zacha is 25 & while he can't score goals for some reason, he's a very solid, versatile, middle six guy, without any injury history. It's not a horrible investment. He won't even be 30 when that contract terminated.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 22 at 1:34 p.m.

Thread: Graves plus an unlikely and risky 3C for 23 24

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jfstompers</b></div><div>You know I'm not sure about that. He'll be 32 and not having a great season. I can see him getting a 3 or 4 year deal for reasonable dollars. A young team like nJ could be real appealing to him.</div></div>

I'd certainly love to see that, though NJ tax is a killer for the Devs to compete for any UFA vs other franchises.

Poor first half for ROR for sure ... Coming back from the broken foot & playing well will be key to establishing his value, particularly in playoffs (if Blues make it or he is sent to a top contender). This first half will certainly raise questions.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 22 at 12:30 p.m.

Thread: Graves plus an unlikely and risky 3C for 23 24

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>they will be rough, bc hes not the best skater to begin with. But that is what GMs do constantly. They really dont care about years 5 to years 8. That could be the next GMs issue. They care about the winning now.

Him at 5m would be ideal, but I doubt he takes a paycut at all, there are always teams desperate for top 6 Cs</div></div>

100% some GMs are suicidal. I just don't get how they don't learn. This was just a typical AGM fantasy post. As a NJ fan, I'd love to see Hughes-Hischier-ROR-McLeod down the middle, I think it would completely transform the team. Maybe even more than GK, 3C is a weak spot for them. Thanks for the post.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 22 at 12:08 p.m.

Thread: Graves plus an unlikely and risky 3C for 23 24

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>hes been pretty consistent his whole career, 20+ games doesnt undo his consistent track record.
Kadri at 32 got 7x7. I think that is what he is goign to be targeting as well. ROR will be 32 this offseason</div></div>

He's been 100% consistent. Great run. For his sake, hope he gets his money, but those 37/38/39 yo seasons look sketchy

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 22 at 12:00 p.m.

Thread: Graves plus an unlikely and risky 3C for 23 24

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>ROR has always been about valuing himself, he doesn’t take discounts, I think at the minim he’s getting his same contract again at 7m aav,

There will be suitors for him and throwing some good money at him</div></div>

Understood. Totally fair. He's down this year and 32 ... Don't you think that will hurt his value? What do you think he could get out there? Hard to imaging more than 5 years. Would seem reckless otherwise

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 22 at 11:58 a.m.

Thread: Graves plus an unlikely and risky 3C for 23 24

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NJDevils1317</b></div><div>I don't feel like Blackwood has a future here, let alone offering him a million less than this this year.

I could only see ROR on a 1yr cheap deal to try and set himself up for the following year. However with no connection to NJD, no idea why he'd pick here.</div></div>

Absolutely fair, hovered over that signing longer than the others. NJ still has control, not sure if there is value there, but at least they can try to trade his rights.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 22 at 11:24 a.m.

Thread: Graves plus an unlikely and risky 3C for 23 24

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>O'Reilly wont be singing with a team for cheap or to be a 3C. He will be getting his money from some team to be a Top 6 player</div></div>

That's what I believe too (per above) but a man can dream. He still needs to find that capspace though ...

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 22 at 11:22 a.m.

Thread: Just a few trades

Devs probably don't get another look, as the acquiring team will push hard to resign him (maybe even require it as part of the trade), but Id rather NJ wait the Meier saga out. If he goes UFA after 23 24 season, NJ should still be in position (with the Cap room) to sign him (assuming Fitz plans appropriately, which he has proven to do so far). I just dont like giving up all these assets for that crazy contract. I think it will hurt NJ long term. Doesn't seem Fitzgerald's methodical style.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 21 at 9:26 p.m.

Thread: Trades to start the rebuilding

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Not sure Demko helps us over next few months. Having an off-year.</div></div>

There are also Cap constraints that have not been considered. Marino will return soon. Even with netting out Blackwood's contract, there's no room for Demko without dropping another player from the year long rotation.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 21 at 9:09 p.m.

Thread: Potential Meier TD trades

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>You can eliminate Bruins, Leafs, and Rangers from the the crazy sign and trade talk.....they don't have the cap next year.</div></div>

You are spot on.

That's the rub ... its not only cap room today, but cap room for a $10 mil QO next year, unless you let let him walk.

That contract takes too many teams out of play to extract full value.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 21 at 8:55 p.m.

Thread: Subban for Weber

A Classic. Thanks for the memory

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 21 at 8:29 p.m.

Thread: NJ Deadline Questions

Agree 100%, he stands pat.

Fitzgerald keeps all future assets, unless he can pick up a veteran 3C, that fits cap, with playoff experience at deep value (like a 5th) ... unlikely all those stars align.

It's been a great season. The chemistry struck with vets/youth & blueline depth have been a revelation... I think he keeps all the UFAs and rides it out. Hughes, Hischier and the fans want to win now. Fitz will feel that, let it ride & accept the lost opportunity of gathering more future assets available by way of trading Sever, Graves, Haula, Wood, Tatar ...

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 20 at 10:50 p.m.

Thread: Honestly Meier to NJ just makes too much sense

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>glarson17</b></div><div>I think sharangovich has value for sure, I guess it’s need for a contract after this with arb rights. The past couple seasons guys like that haven’t been qualified, not that I think the devils will go that route. What would you think his next salary would be?</div></div>

Tough to say, Fitzgerald plays a bit of hardball on the RFAs. Suspect he will offer a one year deal with a crap raise, unless Sharangovich breaks out hard, which I think is unlikely with his linemates. Maybe 1 year 2,350,000 - 2,500,000 Range

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 20 at 6:44 p.m.

Thread: Honestly Meier to NJ just makes too much sense

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>glarson17</b></div><div>Meier broke out last year, he was mid before that. He didn’t score in the first 9 games of the year and still has 26 this year, on a 62 goal a season pace since that time. He’s on another level than sharangovich.</div></div>

Agreed 100% Meier is the better player by a fair margin ... but Sharangovich is in NHL year 3, Meier year 7. I think we know what Meier is but do we know what Sharangovich will become? Maybe this is it, but it would be logical to imagine he will progress. Currently a 2nd line / 3rd line 20 goal guy with PK abilities & a decent runway of team control ... that's very valuable in todays cap strapped world. We've seen crazy payoffs for similar guys at deadline last few years. I wasn't suggesting Sharangovich was better, but you seemed to indicate Sharangovich and Filmon were of dubious value vs. Meier. That didn't seem correct to me. Once the economics & the extra assets (picks and
Bahl) come into play, it's seems to be out of market. Meier's contract is a tough ask.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 20 at 4:50 p.m.

Thread: Honestly Meier to NJ just makes too much sense

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>glarson17</b></div><div>Having a good season after being drafted in the 6th round doesn’t make you a top prospect. Doesn’t fit San Jose’s need either so that doesn’t make sense. And sharangovich could be 2nd line in San Jose but realistically I don’t think he’s a top 6 player, more of a third line guy. He also needs a new contract at the end of the year and is arbitration eligible which makes teams hesitate to deal the that headache.</div></div>

Why was Filmon drafted 6th round & who was his peer group going into the draft, worth considering? It would be a mistake for NJ to trade him based on that, but sure, I guess draft year position matters. Or does it? Bratt was 6th round, NHL next. I'm not calling him Bratt, but odd things happen when scouting with imperfect information (like with covid blackouts) & drafting teenagers. It will be interesting to see where scouts have him after this season at the ripe old age of 18, 3 months.

Career goal per game difference btw first line Meier & third line Sharangovich 0.052 ...

Whatever you believe is the issue with Sharangovich's contract, it's still team control 3 years for a proven NHL talent at 24 years of age.

Just sayin

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