Who is the best dman McLeod could obtain

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Can’t imagine the Canes and Devils linking up in this kind of move, but an interesting offseason deal could probably be worked out if the Canes aren’t as sold on Drury as the long term 3C or if there are concerns with Staal.

As it stands, Skjei is looking like he will be the odd man out and will likely be allowed to hit UFA. Skjei’s value is at an all time high, so the Devils would definitely need to add a bit. How about an extended Skjei (something along the lines of 6x6.5mil) for McCleod, Bahl, and a 3rd/4th?

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Jan. 8 at 6:10 p.m.

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Can’t imagine the Canes and Devils linking up in this kind of move, but an interesting offseason deal could probably be worked out if the Canes aren’t as sold on Drury as the long term 3C or if there are concerns with Staal.

As it stands, Skjei is looking like he will be the odd man out and will likely be allowed to hit UFA. Skjei’s value is at an all time high, so the Devils would definitely need to add a bit. How about an extended Skjei (something along the lines of 6x6.5mil) for McCleod, Bahl, and a 3rd/4th?

If there was an unexpected, mid-season realignment of divisions…that would seem like a fair, reasonable exchange.

In the meantime, boo Canes.

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Jan. 8 at 6:15 p.m.

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Can’t imagine the Canes and Devils linking up in this kind of move, but an interesting offseason deal could probably be worked out if the Canes aren’t as sold on Drury as the long term 3C or if there are concerns with Staal.

As it stands, Skjei is looking like he will be the odd man out and will likely be allowed to hit UFA. Skjei’s value is at an all time high, so the Devils would definitely need to add a bit. How about an extended Skjei (something along the lines of 6x6.5mil) for McCleod, Bahl, and a 3rd/4th?

Are you saying this trade would be in the offseason? Or right now

Bc NJD would not move anything for UFA rights.

But interesting as a midseason proposal. I'd maybe want a martinook back as well if possible

Jan. 8 at 6:19 p.m.

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Are you saying this trade would be in the offseason? Or right now

Bc NJD would not move anything for UFA rights.

But interesting as a midseason proposal. I'd maybe want a martinook back as well if possible

Off-season is the only way it would work. Skjei is too important this season, and the trade proposed would included an extension on Skjei. Canes aren’t moving Martinook either.

Jan. 8 at 6:21 p.m.

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

If there was an unexpected, mid-season realignment of divisions…that would seem like a fair, reasonable exchange.

In the meantime, boo Canes.

It would take place in the offseason, not the middle of the season.

Now in the meantime, boo Devils

Jan. 8 at 6:24 p.m.

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Off-season is the only way it would work. Skjei is too important this season, and the trade proposed would included an extension on Skjei. Canes aren’t moving Martinook either.

Then devils decline and simply sign Skjei to a deal themselves if they want him

Or we'd offer a 3rd for the 8th year of Skjei on 8x4.5

Why would NJD pay so much for a UFA that they can sign themselves without interacting with the canes at all?

Jan. 8 at 6:30 p.m.

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This is tricky. Not many teams looking to add a team controlled middle 6C that would have an interest in parting with that kinda top 4D that I could think of.
There’s also another issue in that (2022 Tintin would be screaming if he read on from here…) McLeod has been so darn good that I’m not convinced that the rest of the league has re-valued McLeod properly, he is likely to be a VERY underrated asset by most front offices in the NHL. The stuff McLeod’s been doing with Holtz and whomever else on that line is fairly remarkable.

In terms of 1 for 1s I could only see Markus Pettersson making sense. If adding a fair amount of futures maybe you could pry Vince Dunn out of Seattle (unlikely though). Chychrun, Skjei and Välimäki also come to mind but these seem like losing trades for the Devils to me, at least at this point in time (past Tintin is in true disbelief right about now).
Perhaps there could be a reasonable three team trade out there where the Devils offer McLeod, one team offers futures and a third offers a TOP4 Dman, idk though.

However, it could make a ton of sense to look into trading McLeod in the summer. Maybe he could be packaged in trade for Saros or Gustavsson, or to find a defenseman in the summer?

Edit: Chychrun would actually be worthwhile to explore trading McLeod for in something closely resembling a 1 for 1 deal.

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Jan. 8 at 6:39 p.m.

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This is tricky. Not many teams looking to add a team controlled middle 6C that would have an interest in parting with that kinda top 4D that I could think of.
There’s also another issue in that (2022 Tintin would be screaming if he read on from here…) McLeod has been so darn good that I’m not convinced that the rest of the league has re-valued McLeod properly, he is likely to be a VERY underrated asset by most front offices in the NHL. The stuff McLeod’s been doing with Holtz and whomever else on that line is fairly remarkable.

In terms of 1 for 1s I could only see Markus Pettersson making sense. If adding a fair amount of futures maybe you could pry Vince Dunn out of Seattle (unlikely though). Chychrun, Skjei and Välimäki also come to mind but these seem like losing trades for the Devils to me, at least at this point in time (past Tintin is in true disbelief right about now).
Perhaps there could be a reasonable three team trade out there where the Devils offer McLeod, one team offers futures and a third offers a TOP4 Dman, idk though.

However, it could make a ton of sense to look into trading McLeod in the summer. Maybe he could be packaged in trade for Saros or Gustavsson, or to find a defenseman in the summer?

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Jan. 8 at 6:42 p.m.

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This is tricky. Not many teams looking to add a team controlled middle 6C that would have an interest in parting with that kinda top 4D that I could think of.
There’s also another issue in that (2022 Tintin would be screaming if he read on from here…) McLeod has been so darn good that I’m not convinced that the rest of the league has re-valued McLeod properly, he is likely to be a VERY underrated asset by most front offices in the NHL. The stuff McLeod’s been doing with Holtz and whomever else on that line is fairly remarkable.

In terms of 1 for 1s I could only see Markus Pettersson making sense. If adding a fair amount of futures maybe you could pry Vince Dunn out of Seattle (unlikely though). Chychrun, Skjei and Välimäki also come to mind but these seem like losing trades for the Devils to me, at least at this point in time (past Tintin is in true disbelief right about now).
Perhaps there could be a reasonable three team trade out there where the Devils offer McLeod, one team offers futures and a third offers a TOP4 Dman, idk though.

However, it could make a ton of sense to look into trading McLeod in the summer. Maybe he could be packaged in trade for Saros or Gustavsson, or to find a defenseman in the summer?

I had a suspicion there were going to be some lowball offers. (All any team wants from us is, “Holtz and a 1st”…doesn’t matter who is coming our way). But I wanted to check.

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Jan. 8 at 6:45 p.m.

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I had a suspicion there were going to be some lowball offers. (All any team wants from us is, “Holtz and a 1st”…doesn’t matter who is coming our way). But I wanted to check.

Makes me long for days past of 'Bracco, Dermott, 2nd'.
We didn't appreciate it enough how good we had it on here as Devils fans back then.

At least our favorite team is finally good and competing again.

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Jan. 8 at 8:34 p.m.

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Then devils decline and simply sign Skjei to a deal themselves if they want him

Or we'd offer a 3rd for the 8th year of Skjei on 8x4.5

Why would NJD pay so much for a UFA that they can sign themselves without interacting with the canes at all?

Skjei isn’t going to take 4.5mil on a 8 year deal, and with how well he has been playing, he might price himself out if the 6.5mil range that he is already in. As good and underrated as McCleod is, no team is trading a top 4 dman, especially one with term for him. I mean, he is a 2-way 3C who can handle 2C minutes when needed (without the requisite results of a 2C, but maybe in the future). In this scenario, Skjei is the most valuable asset, and you get him extended as well. If you bring in Skjei, Bahl likely loses his roster spot (since he isn’t going to beat out any of Skjei, Siegenthaler, or Hughes for time at LD, and RD is locked down with Hamilton, Marino, and Nemec.) Bahl is just a toss in here, especially as if the Canes were to move on from Skjei, they would be looking for a new 3LD with Orlov being the new 2LD. McCleod is the main piece coming back with a mid round pick on top. If we are being honest here, that package is likely a bit low in value.

Jan. 8 at 8:38 p.m.

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Makes me long for days past of 'Bracco, Dermott, 2nd'.
We didn't appreciate it enough how good we had it on here as Devils fans back then.

At least our favorite team is finally good and competing again.

New world….new world problems.

Excited to see how they bounce back.

Jan. 8 at 8:41 p.m.

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Skjei isn’t going to take 4.5mil on a 8 year deal, and with how well he has been playing, he might price himself out if the 6.5mil range that he is already in. As good and underrated as McCleod is, no team is trading a top 4 dman, especially one with term for him. I mean, he is a 2-way 3C who can handle 2C minutes when needed (without the requisite results of a 2C, but maybe in the future). In this scenario, Skjei is the most valuable asset, and you get him extended as well. If you bring in Skjei, Bahl likely loses his roster spot (since he isn’t going to beat out any of Skjei, Siegenthaler, or Hughes for time at LD, and RD is locked down with Hamilton, Marino, and Nemec.) Bahl is just a toss in here, especially as if the Canes were to move on from Skjei, they would be looking for a new 3LD with Orlov being the new 2LD. McCleod is the main piece coming back with a mid round pick on top. If we are being honest here, that package is likely a bit low in value.

If it’s after the season…it would just be Skjei’s rights being dealt. And if a team isn’t going 8 years…the return would late pick. Maybe they get 3rd like Severson if 8-year deal were sought.

Skjei-for-McLeod at deadline would be fairer swap…but unlikely on multiple accounts.

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Jan. 8 at 8:50 p.m.

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Skjei isn’t going to take 4.5mil on a 8 year deal, and with how well he has been playing, he might price himself out if the 6.5mil range that he is already in. As good and underrated as McCleod is, no team is trading a top 4 dman, especially one with term for him. I mean, he is a 2-way 3C who can handle 2C minutes when needed (without the requisite results of a 2C, but maybe in the future). In this scenario, Skjei is the most valuable asset, and you get him extended as well. If you bring in Skjei, Bahl likely loses his roster spot (since he isn’t going to beat out any of Skjei, Siegenthaler, or Hughes for time at LD, and RD is locked down with Hamilton, Marino, and Nemec.) Bahl is just a toss in here, especially as if the Canes were to move on from Skjei, they would be looking for a new 3LD with Orlov being the new 2LD. McCleod is the main piece coming back with a mid round pick on top. If we are being honest here, that package is likely a bit low in value.

Skjei has 0 value in the offseason. You don’t own his rights. He’s a UFA. We can just sign him on our own

Jan. 8 at 9:31 p.m.

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I like Motor Mike a lot but he’s not worth the Top 4D described in OP, and I think the replies confirm this. To get a decent to good Top 4D look at what Chychrun and Eklhom returned last year. 1st + 2nd ++ and Mike would be worth about 1st tops. Atleast I would trade a 1st for him.

Jan. 12 at 10:58 a.m.

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Re-visiting this as an idea (and it probably wouldn't be popular with Avs fans) but Byram is the closest we have to your description and reading between the lines is probably who you were contemplating. The biggest issue you'd have would be keeping him happy as there is no doubt he eventually wants to be 'the man' so to speak (and yes he has to prove that consistently still even if he was the best D in the run to the cup). He wouldn't likely be too happy being behind Hughes and Siegenthaler in the pecking order. He'd also cost you a lot more than just McLeod imo.....but with a caveat. The cap issues would become worse for the Devils long term (but manoeuvrable) although short term they could absorb RyJo and by doing so bring the cost for Byram down (as well as getting a player who can replace at least some of what they'd lose in McLeod). McLeod plus picks for Byram & RyJo basically. Thoughts?

Jan. 12 at 11:08 a.m.

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Re-visiting this as an idea (and it probably wouldn't be popular with Avs fans) but Byram is the closest we have to your description and reading between the lines is probably who you were contemplating. The biggest issue you'd have would be keeping him happy as there is no doubt he eventually wants to be 'the man' so to speak (and yes he has to prove that consistently still even if he was the best D in the run to the cup). He wouldn't likely be too happy being behind Hughes and Siegenthaler in the pecking order. He'd also cost you a lot more than just McLeod imo.....but with a caveat. The cap issues would become worse for the Devils long term (but manoeuvrable) although short term they could absorb RyJo and by doing so bring the cost for Byram down (as well as getting a player who can replace at least some of what they'd lose in McLeod). McLeod plus picks for Byram & RyJo basically. Thoughts?

If we move Dougie to LTIR, would have oodles of cap space. Take RyJo sounds very doable...and could even eat some other short-term salary. Even if it were part of a smaller deal...I imagine he has got to be an upgrade over Tierney and Bowers.

Jan. 12 at 11:17 a.m.

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If we move Dougie to LTIR, would have oodles of cap space. Take RyJo sounds very doable...and could even eat some other short-term salary. Even if it were part of a smaller deal...I imagine he has got to be an upgrade over Tierney and Bowers.

Yes for this year the cap is easily manageable, next year assuming Hamilton is back, possibly not so much, but then RyJo can probably be flipped at that point or another move made. My thinking was Byram and RyJo for McLeod, '24 3rd, '25 2nd. No 1sts given up by either team as NJ takes on a lot of cap but gets the young D they want and some cover for loss of McLeod. Colorado gets to make loads of cap space, picks up some valuable draft picks as they have so few and gets a guy who can at least match their speed at 3C (if Colton goes to 2C) or can maybe make the step up himself to 2C. I'm guessing most Avs fans would hate the return but I think it's reasonable. What's the thinking from the NJ side on that one?

Jan. 12 at 11:28 a.m.

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