gonna take a 1st rounder jimbo

Canucks accept.
Monahan could be a good fit for the Canucks in my mind.

We'll see what happens with the agreed upon contender trade or of his choice when was signed by Hughes. It's certainly possible a first or conditional could be offered.

I think this value is about right for Monahan.

probably a copp type of return but you will need to add there. getting a 1st would be ideal tho. i do think we will end up with another one.

1st + 3rd or we keep him

Doubt

Doubt all you want, but Hughes has proven time and again that he won't move valuable commodities for under market value. You say Monahan isn't worth a 1st+, I challenge you to find another top 6 forward on pace for 45+ points paid less than 2 mil (less than 1 mil with retention), who is on the trade block. FYI, you aren't gonna be able to do it cause there aren't any others. All the others are paid 4+ mil and would cost significantly more than a 1st + 3rd to acquire

Monahan signed a 1-year deal with Montreal as a UFA. These types of signings have offered very little in the way of return and we have direct comparisons we can point to;

2020 Taylor Hall signed 1yr @ 7M w/Buffalo (MVP two seasons prior, P/GP pace w/NJD/ARI before), traded for Bjork + 2nd

2020 Erik Gustafsson signed 1yr @ 3m w/Philadelphia (10 points in 24 GP as a defenseman, 30 points in 64 GP season before), traded for a 7th

2022 Max Domi signed 1yr @ 3m w/Chicago (49 points in 61 GP, 65pts in 108GP two seasons prior [Monahan had 68pts in 130 GP past two seasons]), traded for a 2nd Closest comparable

2022 Marcus Johnasson signed 1yr @ 1.1M (46 points in 93 GP (0.49 P/GP to Monahan's 0.52) w/Washington, traded for a 3rd

1 year signings of UFAs do not go for more than a 2nd round pick.

Now let's look at their totals for the seasons they were traded

Taylor Hall 19 P in 37 GP 18.2% FO

Erik Gustafsson 9 P in 24 GP (irrelevant since he is a depth D man)

Max Domi 49 points in 60 GP 53.7% FO, no retention on his 3 mil contract CF 50.8% OzS 67.1 DzS 32.9%

Marcus Johnasson 28 points in 60 games 40.7% FO CF 57.3% OzS 61.8% DzS 38.2%

Monahan 24 points in 40 GP 57.3% FO CF 50.1% OzS 50.6% DzS 49.4%

All of this to say that Monahan is scoring at Domi's pace but is winning faceoffs at nearly Johansson's pace while not being primarily just trusted as an offensive threat only, that and the contract value increase Monahan's value.

You can cherry pick stats all you want to try to decrease Monahan's value to where you believe it to be but when you look at the whole picture it becomes much clearer, the price for Monahan is a 1st + 3rd, don't like it that's great someone else will pay it just like someone did for Chairot, Lehkonen and Toffoli

The addition of Monahan would help Vancouver. And Edmonton. And Winnipeg, And Toronto. And Boston. And Pittsburgh. And Colorado. Could also say NYRangers. Am I missing anyone?

To those who look at the value of the trade strictly on the fundamentals of the players, bear in mind that there will be a few teams calling Kent Hughes.

Wdym cherry picking stats? You literally gave extremely cherry-picked numbers for who Monahan can be compared to. My stats related directly to Monahan in terms of contract, P/GP, and return. One year contracts are extremely uncommon in trades, Monahan isn't on par with Horvat/ROR/etc.. He's had a lengthy run of decreased performance, poor FO%, and poor CF%. Yes, he's turned that partially around in Montreal, but its not a guarantee it continues. A 0.55 P/GP isn't on the same level as Horvat's 0.85 P/GP or level of defensive play. Similar could be said about ROR.

The main card you have is Monahan's cap hit. Have you seen the cost of retaining? It's usually no more than 3rd round pick. If that's the case, teams might as well go for a 1st + 2nd for Lindholm, which is the asking price for Calgary according to Julian McKenzie of the Althletic (a 1st + prospect/early pick). There's no doubt that Lindholm >> Monahan, if retaining another 50% means an extra 3rd, then that's the better trade to make.

Monahan is worth a 2nd + late pick/prospect, slightly more if he's retained, but the 990k-1.3M cap hit doesn't earn you much more in retention (a 5th round pick based on comparables)

LMAO, did you read that article? He said

One possible scenario could involve a first-round draft pick, either accompanied by a promising but lesser prospect or paired with a higher-quality prospect and a lower pick.

So a 1st + Barron or 1st + Mesar + 6th, also even if Calgary retained half of Lindholm's salary it would still be more than an unretained Monahan. Add to that the fact that the two are almost on an identical scoring pace with Lindholm playing with higher quality wingers than Anderson and Gallagher and the difference between acquiring Lindholm and Monahan isn't as wide as you think it is

Value probably isn't to far off, someone will offer at least a 2024 2nd though. Wouldn't be shocked if someone offers a late 1st either.

Yes, exactly my point. If 1st + Barron is worth Lindholm, there is no way Monahan is worth a 1st + 3rd. He's worth significantly less than you think.

I think I can agree with that. It would be a late 1st from a strong team with retention; Monahan at 992.5K and going to a Top-5 team is possible. I don't think it would be VAN though. They've gone on record saying they'll only trade the 1st for a long-term solution.

Sure hope they stick to that, it's the right call in my opinion.

Perfect, a center who's injury prone and soft as Butta. Just what the Canucks need. But lets propose it another 100 times, it might keep getting better.

I believe Winnepeg and NYR can afford him. At least those cap situations come to mind without having to move players. Unless Chytl comes back. But you're kind of ignoring what was reported, they have handshake deal and Monahan is going to influence his destination.

Don't get me wrong, teams will want him but doesn't automatically drive up the price. No need for Van to overpay.

I can tell you've already pre-ordered that fanatics jersey

Novak comes to mind

I did the impossible