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Most I give up for Zegras

Created by: Nick_SUCCzuki
Team: 2024-25 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Jan. 14, 2024
Published: Jan. 14, 2024
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Would probably do it in the off-season. Kind of annoyed they aren't thinking of trading Matheson but I think it will be fun to have him next year, but were gonna need to make room for Reinbacher and Hutson.

Its alot to give but I think we have enough depth where its replaceable. Also willing to sub Barron for Haris
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$950,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$1,200,000
1$1,200,000
1$1,200,000
Trades
ANA
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Harris, Jordan
  3. Roy, Joshua
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (COL)
  5. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
  6. 2025 2nd round pick (MTL)
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worse of the 2025 picks (thinking they will be both be top 15)
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DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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Logo of the PIT
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Logo of the VAN
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$70,253,750$1,022,500$3,977,500$13,246,250
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$7,850,000$7,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 7
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 6
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Anaheim Ducks
$5,750,000$5,750,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,900,000$2,900,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,200,000$1,200,000
RW, LW
RFA
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$812,500$812,500
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,150,000$3,150,000
G
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,200,000$1,200,000
RD
RFA
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$890,000$890,000
G
RFA - 1
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$950,000$950,000
LD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,200,000$1,200,000
LD/RD
RFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 1
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$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$867,500$867,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$1,925,000$1,925,000
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Jan. 14 at 2:14 a.m.
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Montreal will most likely be getting Florida's 1st from the Monahan trade so probably not top 15
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Jan. 14 at 2:46 a.m.
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That may be all you are willing to give up, but you are still miles away from what it would take to acquire Zegras. Anaheim will not trade him for a grab bag of lesser assets and a cap dump.
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Jan. 14 at 2:50 a.m.
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ANA counters with Lundestrom, Tracey, a ‘24 3rd and ‘25 1st (top 10 protected) for caufield
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Jan. 14 at 3:14 a.m.
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Anderson and Harris do nothing for Anaheim.
Including Roy in any trade is a bad idea. His market value isn't high enough to justify it.
Moving Barron is an equally bad idea. Growing pains are expected with a 22 year old defenseman. If you aren't prepared to ride out the bumps there's no point developing your own players.
It would take at least a 2024 1st somewhere in the vicinity of 10th overall to acquire Zegras with picks (assuming he is for sale).

If Calgary makes the playoffs and their pick falls in the 20-32 range, we can take it instead of waiting for next year.
Our own 1st will likely be top 10. (8th atm I believe)
We may be able to acquire another 1st at the deadline.

If our 1st is top 10, it would be better to draft our own player in that position, but Zegras is closer to helping a team contend vs. a fresh prospect, so it's at least worth considering.
If we have at least 1 additional 1st rounder, it's a more comfortable decision to make.
If I'm giving up a top 10 pick for him however, I'm not adding much else, if anything.

Consider the Drouin trade which we definitively lost.
Sergachev (9th overall) and a conditional 2nd for a player with similar "warts" that was a former 3rd overall coming off his ELC with a 53 point season.
Zegras has produced more on his ELC, but his first contract negotiation was contentious, his production dipped, and he's been injured twice since signing it.
Montreal needs high end talent, but that doesn't mean just any talent. If you're paying a high price you have to be more certain of the player you are getting.
The last thing we need is another Drouin scenario.
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Jan. 14 at 4:09 a.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Anderson and Harris do nothing for Anaheim.
Including Roy in any trade is a bad idea. His market value isn't high enough to justify it.
Moving Barron is an equally bad idea. Growing pains are expected with a 22 year old defenseman. If you aren't prepared to ride out the bumps there's no point developing your own players.
It would take at least a 2024 1st somewhere in the vicinity of 10th overall to acquire Zegras with picks (assuming he is for sale).

If Calgary makes the playoffs and their pick falls in the 20-32 range, we can take it instead of waiting for next year.
Our own 1st will likely be top 10. (8th atm I believe)
We may be able to acquire another 1st at the deadline.

If our 1st is top 10, it would be better to draft our own player in that position, but Zegras is closer to helping a team contend vs. a fresh prospect, so it's at least worth considering.
If we have at least 1 additional 1st rounder, it's a more comfortable decision to make.
If I'm giving up a top 10 pick for him however, I'm not adding much else, if anything.

Consider the Drouin trade which we definitively lost.
Sergachev (9th overall) and a conditional 2nd for a player with similar "warts" that was a former 3rd overall coming off his ELC with a 53 point season.
Zegras has produced more on his ELC, but his first contract negotiation was contentious, his production dipped, and he's been injured twice since signing it.
Montreal needs high end talent, but that doesn't mean just any talent. If you're paying a high price you have to be more certain of the player you are getting.
The last thing we need is another Drouin scenario.


Zegras isn't anything like Drouin as you mentioned, and I would say what caused Drouin's downfall was the expectation of being a 25-30 goal scorer in his hometown. They expected Drouin to be what he wasn't (at the NHL-level at least) and save the team which desperately needed a goal scorer. That being said MTL doesn't need another center-winger, even though he would be a great add, the cost would just be too great. I think the package would start with Reinbacher (unless Anaheim drafts a RHD in the 2024 draft) + 1st (even if it's the one likely to be FLR's) + a roster player.
Jan. 14 at 7:47 a.m.
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Quoting: ricochetii
Anderson and Harris do nothing for Anaheim.
Including Roy in any trade is a bad idea. His market value isn't high enough to justify it.
Moving Barron is an equally bad idea. Growing pains are expected with a 22 year old defenseman. If you aren't prepared to ride out the bumps there's no point developing your own players.
It would take at least a 2024 1st somewhere in the vicinity of 10th overall to acquire Zegras with picks (assuming he is for sale).

If Calgary makes the playoffs and their pick falls in the 20-32 range, we can take it instead of waiting for next year.
Our own 1st will likely be top 10. (8th atm I believe)
We may be able to acquire another 1st at the deadline.

If our 1st is top 10, it would be better to draft our own player in that position, but Zegras is closer to helping a team contend vs. a fresh prospect, so it's at least worth considering.
If we have at least 1 additional 1st rounder, it's a more comfortable decision to make.
If I'm giving up a top 10 pick for him however, I'm not adding much else, if anything.

Consider the Drouin trade which we definitively lost.
Sergachev (9th overall) and a conditional 2nd for a player with similar "warts" that was a former 3rd overall coming off his ELC with a 53 point season.
Zegras has produced more on his ELC, but his first contract negotiation was contentious, his production dipped, and he's been injured twice since signing it.
Montreal needs high end talent, but that doesn't mean just any talent. If you're paying a high price you have to be more certain of the player you are getting.
The last thing we need is another Drouin scenario.


If you could hyper post this everywhere that would be great. All these Z to MTL posts returning a literal kings ransom like the guy is going to single handedly carry MTL to the promised land has gotten old quick. Giving me PTSD from the PLD to MTL for a literal kings ransom days, avoided a major disaster with LA giving the unearned kings ransom on that one.
Jan. 14 at 8:45 a.m.
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Ducks fan will think it isnt enough but imo its not worth it. Zegras is soft and not the kind of player we need at all, id rather let Roy develop (lots of people sleeping on him) and keep the picks for another trade. Zegras is one of the most overrated players in the league.
Jan. 14 at 10:05 a.m.
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Zegras shouldn’t get more than Eichel. Easy pass
Jan. 14 at 1:45 p.m.
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Quoting: GMBL
Zegras isn't anything like Drouin as you mentioned, and I would say what caused Drouin's downfall was the expectation of being a 25-30 goal scorer in his hometown. They expected Drouin to be what he wasn't (at the NHL-level at least) and save the team which desperately needed a goal scorer. That being said MTL doesn't need another center-winger, even though he would be a great add, the cost would just be too great. I think the package would start with Reinbacher (unless Anaheim drafts a RHD in the 2024 draft) + 1st (even if it's the one likely to be FLR's) + a roster player.


I think Reinbacher and a first is a reaching too far as an Anaheim fan, but Reinhacher and a future 2nd seems more in the ballpark to me. We would absolutely require a blue chip piece at a position of need to be the basis of the trade if we were to trade him.
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