All due respect, but I think NJ would have to jump in the standings for MAF to consider this.

Can't see him waiving for a playoff hopeful - it would need to be a lock.

What kind of ELC bonuses could Graf be given? How much?

That's not getting Hanifin. Make it Mercer instead of Clarke and it'd be close.

I agree…his inclusion here is more about saying he would be good addition to our locker room…and to show our young goalies (Daws and Schmid) how it’s done. And he is the type that teammates with play with confidence in front of.

This would be bad value for Hanifin from the flames perspective.

Flames say no.

I know CGY fans like him, but there is no chance that Mercer is involved here, in any scenario. Even if Calgary adds, we would have to get into names that Flames won’t want included to make up the difference. I just don’t see that happening. Add other prospects, add a pick…fine. But core pieces gotta stay here.

I think it’s pretty good value. Two good young players. And it sounds like Calgary wants players over picks and little retention.

As a devils fan I'm sure you love this trade. No flames fan would support this.

A 3rd pairing d and a tweener winger.
We have no need or desire for either.
No thank you.

Minimum would be 1st + 2nd + 2nd + clark/bahl
And the clark/bahl addition would still be underwhelming but atleast acceptable.
(Comparables are lindholm and Orlov. I can also provide more.)

Then No...ah Hanifin for you!

Hanifin should net a similar return to what Elias Lindholm fetched for us. Hanifin's Younger and not having a down year either. Many have him as #1 Trade Target on their Trade Boards too

Would cost more like a 1st + Holtz/Casey + Siegenthaler/Bahl minimum and I assume it only gets done with an extension in place on Hanifin

Graeme Clarke doesn't move the needle for us at all and Bahl isn't that intriguing of bring us something we don't already have in Gilbert, Solovyov or Kuznetsov

Orlov recieved a single 1st 50%, the other pick was for Hathaway.
Lindholm came 50% retained with an reasonable extension and a cap dump attached. Take out 1 2nd for the cap dump we aren't sending, and the prospect for the lack of retention. 1st+2nd

Maybe provide comps more because Lindholm and Orlov don't fit well. Hampus Lindholm included John Moore's salary dump (2 years) and 50% retention...that is over $8m (which alone would cost more than a 1st to move). Orlov included Hathaway and $3.8m retained (which probably cost a 1st, or close to it, combined).

If using those two...
-- Lindholm = Vaak+1st or Vaak+2nd ($8m dump = 1st+)
-- Orlov = 2nd + 3rd (Hathaway+$3.8m = 1st)

Others that could be used:
-- Manson (50%) = Helleson, 2nd
-- Faulk (14% retained), 5th = Edmundson, Bokk, 7th
-- Petry = 2nd, 4th (2015 trade)
-- Chiarot (50%) = Smilanic, 1st, 4th
-- Montour = 3rd

1st + 2nd + clark/bahl would be more than what Chychrun got (he had 2.5 years left)

I have the Orlov deal as 1st for Orlov, 2nd for Hathaway+Craig smith dump (I forgot about that for a 2nd), 3rd+5th for retention
Lindholm deal as 1st+Vaak and then 2nd+2nd for retention and dump

Easy now...
Sigenthaler alone would be an overpayment for Hanifin
Holtz or Casey plus #13 overall pick gets into neighborhood of a Chris Pronger return

Remember with Zadorov many were calling for 1st...or even 1st plus prospect?
Here are the Zadorov Trade Comps...it predicted around 3rd round pick.

15th overall 1st vs 32nd overall as it stands today

15th overall vs 32nd as it stands overall today: thats a gap of a 1st right there
Holtz/Casey vs Bruz: another gap of nearly a 1st if it's casey or more than a 1st if its holtz
Siegs vs Kuzmenko is a gap of multiple 1sts considering one is a cost controlled effective top 4 D and the other is a cap dump winger

Your ask here is 3 or 4 1sts more than you got for lindholm, come back to the land of reality.

I'd say to come back in a few months, but I expect now you'll just vastly overrate whatever secondary pieces you get

Whatever it is...but Calgary fans want to use them as

Lindholm = 1st, 2nd, 2nd, prospect
Orlov = 1st, 2nd, 3rd

...which is woefully inaccurate.

(or if they want...we can take $8m in cap dumps from other teams, add picks, use those picks gained to send to Calgary along with the dead weight)

Kuzmenko also very quickly turned into somehow being equivalent to quality cost controlled young roster players in their minds, when he was the most obvious cap dump I've ever seen

Trades are more complicated then that and you know it man

It comes down to who's available and there's no better two way complete defender on the market than Hanifin right now. Siegenthaler has a good defensive game, but Hanifin has a good defensive game AND a good Offensive game and again, he's in his prime.

There's a reason Siege was only signed for $3.4mil/yr, whereas Hanifin will fetch $7-8mil/yr. If NJD were to acquire any of Hanifin, Tanev or Markstrom the likelyhood their 1st ends up being 13th overall is extremely low, either of those 3 would significantly improve the Devils. Same thing happened to NYI on the Horvat Trade, the pick went from 13th OA at the time to 17OA. Could make the Pick Top 12-15 protected if you wanted.

The Zadorov Trade was all about timing. His offensive play has dropped off since leaving CGY, but if VAN were to move him now, he'd net at least a 2nd+ given that we're at the Deadline and Teams have more Cap Space available, injured players needing to be replaced and/or they're looking to load up for the Playoffs. You know all this man

17th overall is still more valuable than the entire package you got in the lindholm trade

1st is available along there is a condition on it (similar to LAK 1st to CBJ last year in Gavrikov Korpisalo trade)

Siegenthaler is a great defensive dman...wanted to come here...was willing to take discount. Is on great contract. Just not someone we would trade.

I have said the max I could see for Hanifin alone (at 50%) would be Bahl plus conditional 1st (that becomes 2nd+ if we miss playoffs).

But Calgary appears to want players, not picks, in return.
And are reportedly trying to avoid retention.
Hence, Bahl+Clarke.

32nd Overall IF VAN Wins the Cup, no!? Devils would only pull off a Trade like this to improve and secure Hanifin long-term, so I doubt the Pick would be Top-15, but protect the pick then.

Brzustewicz >/= Casey Brz is Bigger too. Been a few years since Holtz was Drafted 7OA and while he still has upside and potential, he's still just a Top Prospect who needs work. He's a 4th Liner privileged with PP Time at the moment

Kuzy just wasn't a fit under Tocchet, that doesn't mean he's a cap dump lol. He scored 39 Goals and 74 Points last season ffs. He already has 2G/3GP for the Flames and has helped Huberdeau's game substantially = 5PTS/3GP. Kuzy is doing way more for the Flames than Lindholm was, we fleeced VAN in that Trade

Nothing against Siegenthaler, he's a stand up minute munching Shut Down Defender, but he ain't no 1LD. He's a Young Left Shot Chris Tanev from what I can tell

C'mon man, don't be ridiculous. VAN's 1st + Brzustewicz > 17OA


We'll find out soon, but Bahl + Clarke is a weak and insulting offer. We'll get more from a Team knowing in advance that he'll just be a rental for them

Everyone knows Casey is better
Even Bruz himself even knows Casey is better.

Decommited from Michigan because he wasn’t ready to compete for a role against Casey . Not even an invite to the WJC.

Kuzmenko was playing like garbage, and cost 5.5 million dollars. They had to pay to get rid of him. What he does going forward is irrelevant to that fact.

A young Chris Tanev. So considering you want a 1st+ for an old Chris Tanev at 4.5 million, what does one entering his prime with 5 years left on his deal at 3.4 mill AAV cost? Must be a boatload.

Bruz+Late 1st=17th overall sure

The Kuzmenko cap dump cancels out the rest.

I'd rather have 17

Brzustewicz isn't close to Casey.

They were teammates for two years at US NTDP...Casey was fixture in top-4 (often playing on off-hand)
Brzustewicz was on 3rd pair, sometimes was #7 dman

Casey was drafted higher

Casey was selected twice to WJC team
Brzustewicz never made team

Casey is playing a elite level against NCAA
Brzustewicz is still in juniors

There are a couple of tiers between the two.

3 game sample sizes lol

Holtz doesn't get much power play time. He has 21 points 5v5. Would rank 1st on calgary in both goals/60 and points/60 5v5

Kuzmenko was a cap dump. He had been playing awful once his shooting% regressed back to normal, and cost 5.5 million dollars. You can delude yourself all you want he was not a +ve value asset.

The comp for him from Jersey would be Vitek Vanacek.

Pure Lindholm comp:

NJD 1st+Vitek+4th+Ethan Edwards
NJD 1st=Bruz+Van 1st
Vitek=Kuzmenko
4th+Edwards=Jurmo+4th