A cap dump like Sharangovich? Yeah I could live with that.

Speaking of rentals, are you guys moving Toff?

I hope to see 1st + 2nd + B+ prospect for Hanifin. We'll see in 10 days.

Sharangovich was the main piece in that deal. He also didn't have a contract so it is physically impossible for him to have been a cap dump.

I'm talking about Kuzmenko.

Sharangovich has been good, I'd be mildly concerned as calgary considering outside of a shooting % heater he's on most of his analytics look slightly worse than they did in jersey, pretty much the same overall tho

Yeah…it was Holtz for Markstrom…disagreement sounded like it was on cost of retention.

Holtz = Markstrom
Bahl 1st = Hanifin
Pick = rentention

Fitzy was scheduled to meet with Toffoli’s agent over the All -Star break to talk extension. We haven’t heard anything further. But I suppose if they did not find agreement…and we lose a few more games, it’s possible.

I'd imagine NJD was arguing Holtz himself would cover a meaningful portion of the retention

Hopefully if Lilleberg is a demand TB walks.

With retention I could see 1st+2nd+Prospect but unless you have a very low expectation of “B+ prospect” I don’t see that level of prospect

That is rarely the case at deadline. With an RFA over the summer, maybe. But inside of two weeks at deadline…there is unlikely to be two prices (one for rental, one for extended) as they are all competing with each other.

That part I have not seen anywhere. I have read it to be Holtz for Markstrom. Any retention would cost more.

So maybe if they want $2m x 2.2 years = $4.4m = 3rd+5th

My thought was to do Vanecek at $1.7m, Markstrom at $3m, and net out at ~$4.6m (Markstrom 3 x 2.2 = 6.6, Vanacek 1.7 x 1.2 = 2.04)…but Pagnotta said Conroy did not want Vanecek back.

Yeah, I figured you meant Kuzmenko. You just sounded way too cocky talking about us overating returns, so I figured I'd return some friendly fire.

Kuzmenko has been generating a lot of offense on the Huberdeau line, but he was demoted to the 4th line for parts of a couple of games after defensive breakdowns. He was sick, and didn't dress last game.

As for Sharangovich, he has been very good. His production dried up a bit because he switched to Center,so he's tasked with a more defensive role. Also that line often starts without the puck, because he's bad at face-offs.

I always liked Yegor, he's done about what I expected based on more PP opportunity and a bounce back in shooting% from a very unlucky year last year (although I expect it to come down a touch more to around 14-15% overall through his career.

High 2nd-Late 1st valuation wise in my book, which is in line with a reasonable return for Toff.

I've seen some ridiculous valuations of Kuzmenko tho from flames fans (things like a 1st), when from my view he was very clearly a cap dump.

As calgary I would have rather just gotten 1st+Bruz than getting 4th+Jurmo+Kuzmenko as well, especially with the winger logjam it creates in calgary

I dont think there have been any leaks as to what the asking price is or what has been offered. I would imagine it would be around the same that chychrun and H. Lindholm got (1st, 2 2nds). In a tampa trade if they want to resign Hanifin and Stamkos then Jeannot, Sheary and Perbix have to be moved so I would expect Jeannot and Perbix to be apart of the deal. Other than that probably one of the three of Howard, Gauthier, or Huuhtanen and a 2nd.

The open issue is that cap dump was likely required for Vancouver to include Bruz. They had other mechanisms to get the cap space needed with retention and other players.

I would assume the value is a 1st and a 2nd with a team probably willing to put in a prospect whom Calgary was high on, but probably isn’t rated as a premium prospect.

A lot of the second names being mentioned seem optimistic to me without other considerations going back to the teams. Bahl seems about right for the second player. Good enough to be valued as a second round pick still, but not a tremendous amount of upside

Part of me wonders if Boston, Calgary, and NJD do a three team trade with Hanifin in Boston, Ullmark and a vet D man in NJD, and picks with Calgary.

The thing with Calgary that is odd is based on their free agent status, I think they’d be OK with multi year cap dumps for increased draft compensation. Do they value getting rid of Vladar as a positive since he’s a negative value asset at his salary over 2 more years?

Until Swayman actually extends, I cannot imagine Ullmark goes anywhere.

I believe Swayman’s extension, like Pasta last year, will be finalized when they have a better picture of next years cap situation. My guess is they know the number range, but would finalize it if this became a viable option

I think for sure it would require the '26 1st, '25 2nd, and probabaly one more mid round pick, then likely one of Perbix/Lilleberg/Crozier, and then one of Duke/Goncalves/Huhtanen/Schmidt/Finley. I don't see Howard available unless JBB sees the trade slipping away, he is dead set on him, and the extension is pretty much secured. One of Gauthier or Thompson could also be the main prospect if an extension is guaranteed.

My very biased self chooses to believe (translation: hope) that negotiations are going poorly

I would prefer not to trade that 1st and I dont think calgary would have much interest in it anyway, which would leave me to believe that it would be substituted with a prospect worth a 1st AKA one of (Huuhtanen, Howard, or Gauthier). I have to assume that Jeannot would be in the package as unless Hanifin is a rental they wouldnt be able to keep him. I also wouldnt be a fan of throwing in duke or goncalves as just a throw in, would rather just add another 2nd or 3rd.

Jeannot can be moved in another trade if needed. I'm not even sure if Jeannot will be traded(alot depends on Stamkos and at this point, the aav on his next deal is lower and lower for me). I can't see it wout a 1st, even if it is in '26. I also don't see Tampa moving two of their top prospects, especially not out of the group of Howard, Gauthier, Thompson,Huuhtanen. Maybe it is a heavier prospect deal, but that also hasn't been JBB's style in trades.

In my scenario they would be moving one of their top prospects not 2 it would be:

(One of Howard, Gauthier or Huuhtanen) + 2025 2nd + Perbix + Jeannot that would come out to around a 1st and 2 2nds worth of value. Tbh i would just rather try to sign him in the offseason.

JBB did move Nolan Foote and usually he trades the picks before they are prospects so we dont really have a long track record to see how much he values prospects vs picks.

I don't think they move Jeannot now is all. While the trade was obviously bad, I don't think JBBis ready to jettison him yet. If he is able to come back and provide aome help in the middle/bottom 6, all the better. I think the '26 1st, one of Gauthier/Thompson(if they want a higher level defensive prospect)/Huuhtanen, one of Perbix/Lilleberg and an additional 2nd is fair. I can definitely see Jeannot getting moved though, just more so in the summer. I would rather try and get Hanifin now as well if he wants to come to Tampa. I think he'll want the 8th year, and I also think that while Tampa is his preferred team reportedly, that they are not the only team he will extend with. If he ends up getting traded to another of those teams on his short list, I kind of doubt he ever wears a Tampa jersey.

I wouldnt pay that much for hanifin. Even if they dont land hanifin they could go after pesce, forsling, skjei, tanev, DeMelo, or Roy in FA or at the worst just run the same D core back but with some of the prospects and get to keep our assets. Hedman, Sergachev and Lilleberg on the left is fine and on the right Cernak, Thompson, Raddysh, Perbix and Crozier are fine. Eventually maybe Powell, Schmidt, or Carlile see the lineup if need be.

Hanifin is better than all of those names aside from maybe Pesce imo. Others are older than who Tampa should be going after as well(Tanev). The right side is definitely deeper with prospects, but getting Hanifin boosts a left side that is seeing Hedman get older, and Serg with less than stellar defensive play far too often. I also don't know how much value Jeannot even has at this point as a key piece in a trade like that. I'd be alright giving up one additional pick or non top 3/4 prospect if it meant Hanifin in Tampa for the next 8 years after this one.

I dont disagree that hanifin is better than most of them but if they are free then we should try to make it work. I agree on Hedman and Sergy but its hard to see them ever outside of the top 4 with how much they make and they are valued by the organization. I value jeannot at maybe a 3rd so almost none of the value is coming from Jeannot in the trade.

Hanifin is better, but is he better when you consider the cost to acquire on top of his salary? Unless he’s willing to agree to a contract before the trade, I would assume that impacts the cost