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50Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 5 - TDL additions (Go Big or Go Small)

Mar. 10 at 3:24 p.m.
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Id really like to see Domi get a Nick Paul style contract extension this offseason
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Mar. 10 at 3:25 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Id really like to see Domi get a Nick Paul style contract extension this offseason


Fingers crossed a little cheaper... Say 2.5-2.7 for 8 years?
Mar. 10 at 3:46 p.m.
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Id really like to see Domi get a Nick Paul style contract extension this offseason


Seems to be the consensus and I just can't get on board. I don't want him back.
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Mar. 10 at 3:52 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 10 at 4:14 p.m.
Quoting: Leafsfan98
I think he'd do well with another puck mover and Eddy isn't that...

I'd even think Benoit would work wonders with Lilly as well...


Edmundson's stats show good first pass, puck carrying, and high danger assists. This is the guy to pair with Liligren rn and I think it will work out fine
Mar. 10 at 3:53 p.m.
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Fingers crossed a little cheaper... Say 2.5-2.7 for 8 years?


He will go no and leave
Mar. 10 at 3:53 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 10 at 4:14 p.m.
Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Id really like to see Domi get a Nick Paul style contract extension this offseason


Been saying stound 3.5m x 5-7 years

Defensively hes not there. But playmaking and occasional offense along with snot and heart hes there

When JT leaves in FA this is the guy to be the 2c till we target our man in 2026
Mar. 10 at 3:55 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 10 at 4:18 p.m.
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It's not silly. If you are hired of the GM of a team with a single glaring weakness and you head into the playoffs the following year and that weakness is even bigger than when you took over the team then you definitely failed.

How much better would this team be with Schenn on the right side? That alone would significantly improve the backend even if he played 3RD. Tre/Shanny ****ed that up.


Its silly. Sorry the overreactions are becoming more and more frequent

There was no RD available this TDL that would have helped more than what was brought. Savard, Tanev or Walker for a 1st **** no. Dumba, Peeke, EJ, Stetcher, Miller, Ruhwedel.

Or heck the guy who wasnt moved, Carrier would have been such a bad add as if anyone thought a 174 pound under 6 foot Dman was gonna help us oh boy they didnt learn from VGK

Schenn's sample size with Rielly is only based on a few playoff games thats it. Giving him 2.75m for a 11 game playoff sample would have been stupid.

Brad went out got a guy whose been to the SCF twice (won a cup to) and whose big and clears the front of the net along with a RD who Rielly has worked well with in the past and has worked out well so far when reunited

Dont always need the flashy toy to win it al. The additions were fine its now up to the big 4 to do their thing.
Mar. 10 at 4:12 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
Seems to be the consensus and I just can't get on board. I don't want him back.


🤞he wants to go back to CHI (hopefully they offer him a big big deal)
Mar. 10 at 6:07 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Edmundson's stats show good first pass, puck carrying, and high danger assists. This is the guy to pair with Liligren rn and I think it will work out fine


And then, you watch him play and you see the opposite

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He will go no and leave


That's why I said fingers crossed...
Mar. 10 at 6:27 p.m.
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And then, you watch him play and you see the opposite



That's why I said fingers crossed...


In general when u look at Edmunson's stats he does well with puck moving Dman

Liligren is that guy and through initial results the pairing looked fine. Liligren struggled but he a mental reset be in order.

If u were to put him with Gio, Brodie, pairing would fail.
Mar. 10 at 6:36 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
In general when u look at Edmunson's stats he does well with puck moving Dman

Liligren is that guy and through initial results the pairing looked fine. Liligren struggled but he a mental reset be in order.

If u were to put him with Gio, Brodie, pairing would fail.


He was fantastic with Brodie during the 7 game win streak span though... Then he got sick and they ahem't gone back to Brodie-Lilly
Mar. 10 at 6:38 p.m.
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Edited Mar. 10 at 6:43 p.m.
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He was fantastic with Brodie during the 7 game win streak span though... Then he got sick and they ahem't gone back to Brodie-Lilly


And then against BOS who were gonna probs face in the playoffs they got exposed and results were poor.

Its a pairing that I dont see viable in a matchup against FLA or BOS. Had its fun but like Rielly-Brodie time to move on
Mar. 11 at 12:29 a.m.
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We're still a long way from the offseason, but I'd really like to see the Leafs target guys like Will Carrier and Warren Foegele. Maybe if Mantha comes in at the right price he could be a target. Getting feisty yet skilled cheap forwards will be very important considering most of our cap will be going towards the blue line.

Im fully expecting the Leafs to push hard for Montour if he hits the open market (which seems very likely), and also to be in on guys like DeMelo, Edmundson, and Desharnais. As much as I want Roy, I cant see him being a guy Treliving winds up targeting. You can't tell me this blue line doesnt have Treliving written all over it

Rielly - DeMelo
McCabe - Montour
Edmundson - Desharnais
Mar. 11 at 1:16 a.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
We're still a long way from the offseason, but I'd really like to see the Leafs target guys like Will Carrier and Warren Foegele. Maybe if Mantha comes in at the right price he could be a target. Getting feisty yet skilled cheap forwards will be very important considering most of our cap will be going towards the blue line.

Im fully expecting the Leafs to push hard for Montour if he hits the open market (which seems very likely), and also to be in on guys like DeMelo, Edmundson, and Desharnais. As much as I want Roy, I cant see him being a guy Treliving winds up targeting. You can't tell me this blue line doesnt have Treliving written all over it

Rielly - DeMelo
McCabe - Montour
Edmundson - Desharnais


Where be the Ben of oit

Also last time we paired McCabe with a offensive Dman it didnt go well

Would rather

Rielly-Demelo
McCabe-Roy
Benoit-Liligren

U then have a shutdown duo of McCabe-Roy

A nice third pair of Benoit-Liligren

And Demelo would probs be the best partner Rielly has ever had
Mar. 11 at 1:22 a.m.
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Where be the Ben of oit

Also last time we paired McCabe with a offensive Dman it didnt go well

Would rather

Rielly-Demelo
McCabe-Roy
Benoit-Liligren

U then have a shutdown duo of McCabe-Roy

A nice third pair of Benoit-Liligren

And Demelo would probs be the best partner Rielly has ever had


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Vrana = rebound candidate and RJ = nice cheap 4th line option to explore
Mar. 11 at 1:51 a.m.
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Quoting: fangm
The fact that we are having this debate post deadline about sitting our #1 RHD means Tre failed.

If he has one job since he was hired 10 months ago it was to find a RHD, now we are talking about starting the playoffs with Boosh are our only RHD.

I see why you like him so much...


Well...Treliving isn't the only guilty one as far as RD goes. Dubas was here for 6 years and how much did he improve RD?

I'm not defending Treliving, just more thinking that Shanahan was here while Dubas was GM and is still here and the same problems exist as they did for 6 years. 🤷‍♂️
Mar. 11 at 2:04 a.m.
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Well...Treliving isn't the only guilty one as far as RD goes. Dubas was here for 6 years and how much did he improve RD?

I'm not defending Treliving, just more thinking that Shanahan was here while Dubas was GM and is still here and the same problems exist as they did for 6 years. 🤷‍♂️


In general nobody could have predicted a Brodie fall off that bad, Liligren continuing to be inconsistent, Klingberg getting hurt, etc

McCabe has been the best surprise on his offside

If they can get Liligren to how he was a month ago they set. But for some reason he randomly gets in a rut and it makes 0 sense. But he always manages to rebound and I believe

Edmundson-Liligren will be fine
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Mar. 11 at 8:10 a.m.
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In general nobody could have predicted a Brodie fall off that bad, Liligren continuing to be inconsistent, Klingberg getting hurt, etc

McCabe has been the best surprise on his offside

If they can get Liligren to how he was a month ago they set. But for some reason he randomly gets in a rut and it makes 0 sense. But he always manages to rebound and I believe

Edmundson-Liligren will be fine


But regardless of Brodie falling off or not, the glaring need for a top RD was an issue for 6 damn years. Imagine what Rielly could have done with one on this roster either as his partner or on another pair.

I don't understand how people don't see RD as an issue, especially now nevermind wasting 6 years not addressing it.
Mar. 11 at 9:28 a.m.
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But regardless of Brodie falling off or not, the glaring need for a top RD was an issue for 6 damn years. Imagine what Rielly could have done with one on this roster either as his partner or on another pair.

I don't understand how people don't see RD as an issue, especially now nevermind wasting 6 years not addressing it.


The RD you wanted often wasnt available or costs an insane amount.

Dubas did a lot of good work on the back end, both in development (holl in particular) and also trading like Muzzin, who'd be our best D today if the NHL actually cared about not needlessly hurting players
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Mar. 11 at 10:34 a.m.
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I think everyone acknowledges the shortcomings when it comes to top 4 RHD. Brodie has been one of those spots but took a big step back this year. Previously, there hasn't been a whole lot of wiggle room to add another big d-man that is also a right shot.

I also don't think it's fair to assume that, because Tre didn't address a top 4 RHD at this deadline that it isn't an issue for him that he wants to fix. We know he's been in the D market since the moment he got here.

They tried to re-sign Schenn but it didn't work out
He tried to sign Gudas
Tried to trade for Zadorov and Tanev

My estimation is that he simply wasn't willing to give up the few assets we have to make a more substantial acquisition this year. I'd like to assume he just didn't want to pay the prices and is hoping to do the bulk of his remodeling this off-season.

I still hold that there wasn't anything that was traded at this deadline that would have been worth the price paid AND would have made a significant impact on a playoff run. I'd like to hope Tre was just as frustrated as we were to not be able to add to that position. Whether or not he's capable of actually landing the right player(s) remains to be seen....but I'm not going to fuss about it not happening inside of his first year.
Mar. 11 at 10:41 a.m.
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Quoting: Juice
I think everyone acknowledges the shortcomings when it comes to top 4 RHD. Brodie has been one of those spots but took a big step back this year. Previously, there hasn't been a whole lot of wiggle room to add another big d-man that is also a right shot.

I also don't think it's fair to assume that, because Tre didn't address a top 4 RHD at this deadline that it isn't an issue for him that he wants to fix. We know he's been in the D market since the moment he got here.

They tried to re-sign Schenn but it didn't work out
He tried to sign Gudas
Tried to trade for Zadorov and Tanev

My estimation is that he simply wasn't willing to give up the few assets we have to make a more substantial acquisition this year. I'd like to assume he just didn't want to pay the prices and is hoping to do the bulk of his remodeling this off-season.

I still hold that there wasn't anything that was traded at this deadline that would have been worth the price paid AND would have made a significant impact on a playoff run. I'd like to hope Tre was just as frustrated as we were to not be able to add to that position. Whether or not he's capable of actually landing the right player(s) remains to be seen....but I'm not going to fuss about it not happening inside of his first year.


This is the offseason where you are going to see the blue line get massively retooled. So many good defenseman that fit with the Leafs like Montour, Roy, Walker, DeMelo, Pesce, Hakanpaa, Desharnais, etc.

Expecting Brad to fix our blue line within a single season of taking over is just ridiculous. Look at how long it took Dubas to rid the roster of Lou and finally get his guys. Curious to see what next seasons roster looks like
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Mar. 11 at 10:57 a.m.
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Unless Gio is going to LTIR, the recall of Nick Robertson likely signals that someone is going on waivers at 2pm today

Feels like Gregor will be the guy, Dewar is just him but better
Mar. 11 at 1:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Juice
I think everyone acknowledges the shortcomings when it comes to top 4 RHD. Brodie has been one of those spots but took a big step back this year. Previously, there hasn't been a whole lot of wiggle room to add another big d-man that is also a right shot.

I also don't think it's fair to assume that, because Tre didn't address a top 4 RHD at this deadline that it isn't an issue for him that he wants to fix. We know he's been in the D market since the moment he got here.

They tried to re-sign Schenn but it didn't work out
He tried to sign Gudas
Tried to trade for Zadorov and Tanev

My estimation is that he simply wasn't willing to give up the few assets we have to make a more substantial acquisition this year. I'd like to assume he just didn't want to pay the prices and is hoping to do the bulk of his remodeling this off-season.

I still hold that there wasn't anything that was traded at this deadline that would have been worth the price paid AND would have made a significant impact on a playoff run. I'd like to hope Tre was just as frustrated as we were to not be able to add to that position. Whether or not he's capable of actually landing the right player(s) remains to be seen....but I'm not going to fuss about it not happening inside of his first year.


Heck Brad also for forward before Bertuzzi + Domi tried to get ROR back. Honestly why Dubas didnt push for an extension with him after giving all that up was mind boggling

Like Muzzin 1.5 years left understandable but after Foligno kind of surprised it wasnt like okay ROR we gave a lot for yah what u want to stay here 5m? You dont want to be behind JT we will shift him to wing for you


But going back to D Brad tried for a really good trade back in NOV but CGY didnt bite . Instead they rather lose on every deal but two of them.


This summer we still have our 1st and this FA is loaded with good Dman

Dillon, Pesce, Demelo, Roy, Hanifin (if not extended), Skjei, etc
Mar. 11 at 6:03 p.m.
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With Robertson being an Emergency Loan call up, I believe they still have 3 non - emergency call ups left? (I think Knies took one after being sent down and called up after the TDL for Calder cup reasons but not 100% sure on timing)
Mar. 11 at 6:05 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Id really like to see Domi get a Nick Paul style contract extension this offseason


I think 3.15-3.25 x7 would be perfect for Domi tbh, I’d love to bring him back long term. Although for insurance maybe have it all in Salary and no signing bonuses (except like first year)
 
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