6 more years of DUBAS and list of things to expect

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Created by: Brad_Treliving

Team: 2023-24 Pittsburgh Penguins

Initial Creation Date: Mar. 3, 2024

Published: Mar. 3, 2024

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I'm so sorry Pens fans for what you will have to endure under Dubas. As a Leafs fan, expect the following:

1. You will be one of the softest teams in the league. Any guy that throws a hit, he will be either put on waivers or is on the trade block. Dubas doesn't advocate for defending a teammate, he has that belief of "power play is our toughness". I'm not throwing words into his mouth, the man said it himself

2. You want defense? You won't be getting it under Dubas. Are you liking Karlsson and Graves? Expect more

3. Goalies are hits and misses, I'll give Dubas that. He can either be very smart about it or make a risky signing (Samsonov vs Murray, Jack Campbell versus Mrazek)

4. Pens bottom 6 will be filled guys who have no roles or don't know what they are doing. You will be throwing mid level picks for guys who should go for a 7th or future considerations

5. Expect a lot a lot of signings and drafting of players who are undersized defensemen and forwards. He has no issue of creating a team of guys who are under 5'10"

6. Expect every decision to be analytics-driven. This is personal preference but I never agreed with it

7. You will never see the Pens as a "team". It's the core 4 (Crosby, Karlsson, Malkin, Letang) and everybody else. There will be no unity that they once had

You may agree with some of the points and disagree on others. At the end of the day, this is what I have seen 5 years under Dubas

Buyouts

Jack Johnson: $916,667

Retained Salary Transactions

Jeff Petry: $1,562,500 (25%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$79,679,342	$0	$0	$3,820,658

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Smith, Reilly $5,000,000$5,000,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2	Crosby, Sidney $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NMC UFA - 2	Rakell, Rickard $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 5
O'Connor, Drew $925,000$925,000 LW UFA - 2	Malkin, Evgeni $6,100,000$6,100,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Carter, Jeff $3,125,000$3,125,000 RW, C NMC UFA - 1
Harkins, Jansen $850,000$850,000 LW UFA - 1	Eller, Lars $2,450,000$2,450,000 C UFA - 2	Bemström, Emil $900,000$900,000 RW, LW RFA - 1
Gruden, Jonathan $775,000$775,000 LW RFA - 1	Acciari, Noel $2,000,000$2,000,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 3	Puljujärvi, Jesse $800,000$800,000 RW UFA - 2
		Puustinen, Valtteri $775,000$775,000 RW, LW UFA - 1
		Phillips, Matthew $775,000$775,000 RW, C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Graves, Ryan $4,500,000$4,500,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 6	Karlsson, Erik $10,000,000$10,000,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Jarry, Tristan $5,375,000$5,375,000 G M-NTC UFA - 5
Pettersson, Marcus $4,025,175$4,025,175 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Letang, Kris $6,100,000$6,100,000 RD NMC UFA - 5	Nedeljkovic, Alex $1,500,000$1,500,000 G UFA - 1
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier $825,000$825,000 LD RFA - 1	Ruhwedel, Chad $800,000$800,000 RD UFA - 1
Ludvig, John $775,000$775,000 LD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Rust, Bryan $5,125,000$5,125,000 RW, LW NMC UFA - 5	Guentzel, Jake $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 1
		Nieto, Matt $900,000$900,000 LW, RW UFA - 2

Mar. 3 at 1:44 p.m.

mv21227

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Your hatred of Dubas is unhealthy

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Mar. 3 at 1:45 p.m.

Brad_Treliving

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Quoting: mv21227

Your hatred of Dubas is unhealthy

I'm just giving a realistic expectation. Is there something that you don't agree with?

Idk if you're a Leafs fan but I watched it ALL since the day he was hired

Mar. 3 at 1:47 p.m.

FrozenWaterSports

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I’m gonna kms

Mar. 3 at 1:55 p.m.

edeangel84

JimmyPaek

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If only Brad Treliving had a shred of success as a GM, you could actually not look ridiculous.

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Mar. 3 at 1:57 p.m.

Brad_Treliving

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Quoting: edeangel84

If only Brad Treliving had a shred of success as a GM, you could actually not look ridiculous.

5 years under Dubas can't compare to the team Tre has put together in his first year. First time in a long time I'm actually watching the Leafs play like a team

Idk from an outside view but if you're a Leafs fan, you know

Mar. 3 at 1:58 p.m.

edeangel84

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

Do you remember the train wreck Brian Burke left in Toronto? Because that was a disaster and Dubas left you in fine hands.

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Mar. 3 at 2:00 p.m.

Brad_Treliving

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Quoting: edeangel84

Do you remember the train wreck Brian Burke left in Toronto? Because that was a disaster and Dubas left you in fine hands.

If you actually watched the Leafs closely, you would have a different opinion. Either way, wishing Pens fans all the best

5 years of Dubas not wanting to trade Holl and Kerfoot because he was Marner's best friend says everything you need to know about the guy

Mar. 3 at 2:00 p.m.

Victor24

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I'll bite;
1.) Rutherford tried going to toughness route in 2018, it completely destroyed this team. I'd rather outscore the opponent than try to out-muscle them. How is the Reaves signing going Brad?

2.) Karlsson is 81st percentile in xgoals against. He is playing very good defensively. Graves is 57th percentile, not great but passable for 4.5MM and this is his low, he will likely rebound.

3.) Jarry is currently 4th in the NHL in GSAX 5v5. So far so good.

4.) Eller, Acciari, DOC, have all been good signings.

5.) Undersized players can still contribute and be very valuable. I don't get the hate?

6.) Why are you against analytics? It is a great way to understand players in a vacuum but it does disregard emotions (which can be important)

7.) This might be valid. I can't explain why this team isn't winning. They look like Edmonton before the Oilers broke out. There might be too many cooks in the kitchen but that is extremely speculative.

Honestly I'm ok with what is going on. The Pens have 3 cups that I recall watching and 5 in my lifetime. That's more than I can say for basically every other franchise.

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Mar. 3 at 2:01 p.m.

JuanDamienNebraska

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You’re still crying about Dubas?

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Mar. 3 at 2:04 p.m.

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GoGuinsGo_18

ZarktheShark

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Should also mention before Dubas you only made the playoffs 2 out of 12 years and hadn't made it to the 2nd round since 2004. Dubas left his successor with a string of 5 straight playoff qualifications and a team that made the 2nd round last year. There is no way you can say Dubas didn't leave the Leafs better than he found them...

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Mar. 3 at 2:06 p.m.

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Brad_Treliving

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Quoting: GoGuinsGo_18

Should also mention before Dubas you only made the playoffs 2 out of 10 years and hadn't made it to the 2nd round since 2004. Dubas left his successor with a string of 5 straight playoff qualifications and a team that made the 2nd round last year...

Dubas changed his way of thinking in his final year knowing that he needed a new contract. His thought process has always been the same and its showing in PIT

He didn't leave anything behind, just a mess (no picks, no prospects, overpaid contracts like Brodie and Tavares)

Mar. 3 at 2:06 p.m.

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batman

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bro is just a hater

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Mar. 3 at 2:08 p.m.

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Brad_Treliving

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Quoting: Victor24

Each to their own

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Mar. 3 at 2:09 p.m.

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batman

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

Dubas is an extremely talented GM. He couldn’t even make all of the decisions. Shanahan was behind like a rat blocking trades.

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Mar. 3 at 2:10 p.m.

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Brad_Treliving

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Quoting: batman

Dubas is an extremely talented GM. He couldn’t even make all of the decisions. Shan’s ham was behind like a rat blocking trades.

"Extremely talented" is quite the statement lol

We'll see how far it takes him in PIT, I could be wrong

Mar. 3 at 2:12 p.m.

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edeangel84

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

Oh I remember those Phaneuf and Kessel trainwreck teams. Ron freaking Wilson lol. Dubas left you in great shape compared to that mess.

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Mar. 3 at 2:13 p.m.

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batman

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

"Extremely talented" is quite the statement lol

He was the one who left you with Marner Matthews Tavares Knies Nylander Rielly Minten etc. Show a minimum of respect before crying and yapping about his work. D riding Treliving.. he literally only signed Bertuzzi. Look at the défense he built💀 don’t tell me it’s better than what Dubas did.

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Mar. 3 at 2:21 p.m.

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Victor24

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

I don't get the Tavares hate? He is a great player. Maybe not HoF but close, IMO

Mar. 3 at 2:22 p.m.

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Victor24

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Quoting: edeangel84

Oh I remember those Phaneuf and Kessel trainwreck teams. Ron freaking Wilson lol. Dubas left you in great shape compared to that mess.

I always preferred Don Wilson. He runs Iowa's largest wildlife preserve.

Mar. 3 at 2:26 p.m.

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ecupirate07

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Leafs replaced 1 overrated GM for a bad one.

Duba isn’t any good but I don’t think Leafs fans should be saying much about others’ GM situation

Mar. 3 at 2:42 p.m.

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LFG

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Quoting: edeangel84

Oh I remember those Phaneuf and Kessel trainwreck teams. Ron freaking Wilson lol. Dubas left you in great shape compared to that mess.

Shoot remember when Daniel Winnick was their pride and joy? I memba

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Mar. 4 at 10:06 a.m.

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JSEB93

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You are a deranged human being lol. I couldn't imagine being this obsessed with another person I don't know.

Also, the irony of you here complaining while you just traded for Lyubushkin is hilarious

Mar. 4 at 10:16 a.m.

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Brad_Treliving

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Quoting: JSEB93

You are a deranged human being lol. I couldn't imagine being this obsessed with another person I don't know.

Also, the irony of you here complaining while you just traded for Lyubushkin is hilarious

Like I said from above, you may not agree or like the points but I'm telling the truth in terms of what I have seen from Dubas after watching him run the Leafs for the last 5 years. You can ignore it or get upset about it, but I'm just stating what I have saw

Mar. 4 at 11:33 a.m.

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JSEB93

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Quoting: Brad_Treliving

The only one that's upset here is you man haha. It's so weird lol

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