Would you consider trading Montembeau for the right return

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Created by: jonh514

Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Mar. 6, 2024

Published: Mar. 6, 2024

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Hitting the TDL, there are 2-3 teams who really need a starting goaltender. Now I like Montembeau, he's impressed me a lot, but with his current contract and extended contract in place, he is incredibly attractive as trade bait.

Here's why I would consider it:

1) If we trade him and ride Allen/Primeau until the end of the season, we will lose a lot more games. That's actually not a bad thing, as we will get a higher draft pick

2) We could probably get a mid-late 1st and a B prospect for Monty, or maybe just an A prospect

3) Allen and Primeau as a tandem next year is not gonna help us win a lot of games, but we can always dip into the goalie market this offseason if we feel we are playoff-bound after the draft

4) If we are not gonna make the playoffs next year, this would probably be "selling high" on Monty, as we can expect Fowler to hit the NHL in 2025-26

What would it take for you to consider it?

Trades

MTL

Holtz, Alexander

Additional Details:

Top 6 winger

NJD

Montembeault, Samuel

Additional Details:

Starting Goalie

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $833,333

Retained Salary Transactions

Joel Edmundson: $1,750,000 (50%)
Jeff Petry: $2,343,750 (50%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$83,500,000	$75,704,583	$1,170,000	$4,885,000	$7,795,417

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Caufield, Cole $7,850,000$7,850,000 LW, RW UFA - 8	Suzuki, Nick $7,875,000$7,875,000 C UFA - 7	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4
Pearson, Tanner $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW UFA - 1	Newhook, Alex $2,900,000$2,900,000 C, LW RFA - 4	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 4
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël $1,100,000$1,100,000 LW, RW RFA - 2	Evans, Jake $1,700,000$1,700,000 C UFA - 2	Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
Roy, Joshua $835,000$835,000 ($57,500$58K) LW, RW RFA - 3		Slafkovsky, Juraj $950,000$950,000 ($3,500,000$4M) RW, LW RFA - 2
Pezzetta, Michael $812,500$812,500 LW, RW UFA - 2		Ylönen, Jesse $775,000$775,000 RW, LW RFA - 1
		Holtz, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 2

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 2	Allen, Jake $1,925,000$1,925,000 G M-NTC UFA - 2
Harris, Jordan $1,400,000$1,400,000 LD/RD RFA - 2	Kovacevic, Johnathan $766,667$766,667 RD UFA - 2
Struble, Jayden $867,500$867,500 ($57,500$58K) LD RFA - 2		Primeau, Cayden $890,000$890,000 G RFA - 2
Guhle, Kaiden $863,333$863,333 ($420,000$420K) LD/RD RFA - 2
Xhekaj, Arber $828,333$828,333 LD/RD RFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C M-NTC UFA - 2	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 3
	Dach, Kirby $3,362,500$3,362,500 C, RW RFA - 3
	White, Colin $775,000$775,000 C, RW UFA - 1
	Wideman, Chris $762,500$762,500 RD UFA - 1

Mar. 6 at 8:33 a.m.

DonkeyLips

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I think you could get McDavid for him. Only if Edmonton retains though.

Mar. 6 at 8:35 a.m.

Just_A_Guess

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For a severe overpay, that's the only way I move him at this point. Holtz is not a severe overpay, nobody would like the price of what it would take for me to move Monty right now.

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Mar. 6 at 8:36 a.m.

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Quoting: DonkeyLips

I think you could get McDavid for him. Only if Edmonton retains though.

Good for you!

Mar. 6 at 8:37 a.m.

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Quoting: Just_A_Guess

For a severe overpay, that's the only way I move him at this point. Holtz is not a severe overpay, nobody would like the price of what it would take for me to move Monty right now.

Fair enough.

Mar. 6 at 8:38 a.m.

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Starting goalie? The guy who has never even put up a league average save % or started 50% of games in a season?

Mar. 6 at 8:45 a.m.

Just_A_Guess

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Quoting: Byrr

Starting goalie? The guy who has never even put up a league average save % or started 50% of games in a season?

Was this your attempt at comedy?

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Mar. 6 at 8:47 a.m.

Byrr

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Quoting: Just_A_Guess

Was this your attempt at comedy?

No, it's just the facts. He isn't a starting goaltender and if a top prospect like Holtz was on the block, he wouldn't be on a list of the top 10 goalies made available.

Mar. 6 at 8:51 a.m.

Jackaille

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Quoting: Byrr

No, it's just the facts. He isn't a starting goaltender and if a top prospect like Holtz was on the block, he wouldn't be on a list of the top 10 goalies made available.

he's literally top 10 for 5v5 stats.... all his goals were given in PP

Mar. 6 at 8:52 a.m.

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Quoting: Jackaille

he's literally top 10 for 5v5 stats.... all his goals were given in PP

So when he's relied on the most, he's the worst? And that helps your case somehow?

Mar. 6 at 8:53 a.m.

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NJD would offer a 1st for him

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Mar. 6 at 8:55 a.m.

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Quoting: Byrr

So when he's relied on the most, he's the worst? And that helps your case somehow?

no, when you rely the most on DEFENDERS which are all recruits it tends to be more difficult.

Mar. 6 at 8:58 a.m.

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Quoting: Jackaille

no, when you rely the most on DEFENDERS which are all recruits it tends to be more difficult.

The most important member of any penalty kill is the goalie.

Mar. 6 at 8:59 a.m.

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Quoting: Byrr

The most important member of any penalty kill is the goalie.

literally no, it'S all about players positioning

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Mar. 6 at 9:02 a.m.

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Quoting: Jackaille

literally no, it'S all about players positioning

You would be disagreeing with basically every hockey expert, good luck with that.

Mar. 6 at 9:04 a.m.

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Quoting: Byrr

You would be disagreeing with basically every hockey expert, good luck with that.

But every hockey expert agrees Monty is a starting goalie... You are disagreeing with that, so good luck to you my good sir!

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Mar. 6 at 9:04 a.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

NJD would offer a 1st for him

Unprotected?

Mar. 6 at 9:05 a.m.

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Quoting: jonh514

But every hockey expert agrees Monty is a starting goalie... You are disagreeing with that, so good luck to you my good sir!

No one outside of Montreal or the basic counting stats.

Mar. 6 at 9:07 a.m.

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Quoting: Byrr

No one outside of Montreal.

His GSAA has been great for 2 years, with a bunch of rookie/sophomore defensemen and David Savard in front of him. Pull up your socks sir, you are way off the reservation.

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Mar. 6 at 9:09 a.m.

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Quoting: jonh514

Unprotected?

No team is making picks unprotected anymore.

Mar. 6 at 9:09 a.m.

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Quoting: jonh514

His GSAA has been great for 2 years, with a bunch of rookie/sophomore defensemen and David Savard in front of him. Pull up your socks sir, you are way off the reservation.

If you are going to quote stats, you should at least use good ones. GSAA is trash.

Mar. 6 at 9:10 a.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

No team is making picks unprotected anymore.

Yeah. What would your offer be 2024 top 5 protected, otherwise 2025 unprotected?

Mar. 6 at 9:10 a.m.

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Quoting: jonh514

His GSAA has been great for 2 years, with a bunch of rookie/sophomore defensemen and David Savard in front of him. Pull up your socks sir, you are way off the reservation.

Funniest part is it's coming from a Leaf fan... who wouldn't know what good goaltending looks like...

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Mar. 6 at 9:11 a.m.

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Quoting: jonh514

Yeah. What would your offer be 2024 top 5 protected, otherwise 2025 unprotected?

Top 16 protected, otherwise 2025 top 3 protected, more likely we call you in the offseason tho.

Let’s say our pick ends up 10th overall, I’d offer 2025 1st+10th overall+2nd+Bahl+Schmid/Daws for Montembault, Kaiden Guhle, Jake Evans

Mar. 6 at 9:12 a.m.

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Quoting: Just_A_Guess

Funniest part is it's coming from a Leaf fan... who wouldn't know what good goaltending looks like...

He's not a fan. He's a troll. It's ok though, he's almost out of wind.

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Mar. 6 at 9:13 a.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

Top 16 protected, otherwise 2025 top 3 protected

So essentially if he helps you make the playoffs, we get this year's pick, otherwise we get next year's?

I would rather just have 2025 top 3 protected... 2024 bottom 16 is low quality compared to other years.

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