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PLD Redux

Created by: jonh514
Team: 2024-25 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 28, 2024
Published: Mar. 28, 2024
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Ok. I KNOW this is gonna piss some people off.

In the Habs fanbase there are PLD haters that say he's the next Drouin and we dodged a bullet.

In the LA Kings fanbase, there are people who don't want to trade him. Not because they love him, but because they feel they would be selling low after paying a lot to get him.

That being said, let's explore the possibility that there is a deal to be made here that can work for both sides and is fair based on his average production over the past 2 years without focusing too much on upside.

My personal perspective is that PLD IS better than he's shown this year, but that his production will be 60-70 points per year over this deal, and that is what I am paying 8.5M for which is overpriced.

Thanks for hearing me out. Now release the hounds and let them tear me apart!
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  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc
Additional Details:
In PLD the Habs are not really taking a gamble. We have all seen PLD play for years and he has been great on some nights and mediocre on others, but he has been a consistent 60 point player. Unfortunately in LA, Danault was once again underestimated and has outplayed PLD for a top 6 role. Part of that probably has to do with the winning culture in LA that is a lot less forgiving of players taking creative liberties and coughing up the puck.

PLD would fit well on a line with Dach & Newhook, 2 exceptionally hard working guys. He is the kind of guy who needs to be dragged into the fight, but he is incredibly valuable once you get him going.
LAK
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Beck, Owen
  3. Primeau, Cayden
  4. 2024 1st round pick (WPG)
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Let's get the unpleasant part out of the way first. Josh Anderson is an overpaid 3rd line winger who has had a historically bad season and needs out of Montreal in the worst way. He is added to this deal to balance out the overpayment of PLD, but only for the next 3 years. It's a bitter pill for LA to swallow, but because of this, they can also get fair value for PLD in the rest of the deal.

I feel LA will need a backup next season and Primeau will make a good one, especially at 1M salary ahead of his RFA status.

In Beck LA gets an up and coming 2-way forward who is marked by the fact that contending teams in the OHL have traded many assets for him multiple years in a row. He is consistently in the top 5 in faceoff percentage and he has closed out the OHL regular season on a 20-game point streak (talk about consistency!). He is ready to turn pro next year and it's up to LA to decide whether they want him in the AHL or the NHL. It seems likely he can make an NHL team out of training camp.

LA also gets a late 1st round pick in this upcoming draft.
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2024
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2025
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22$87,500,000$73,748,750$1,022,500$3,977,500$13,751,250
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
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$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
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Mar. 28 at 10:17 a.m.
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Just stop.

The habs arent paying to fix LAs mistake.

They arent making him the highest paid habs forward.

Just stop
Mar. 28 at 10:18 a.m.
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Quoting: Black61
Just stop.

The habs arent paying to fix LAs mistake.

They arent making him the highest paid habs forward.

Just stop


In this case LA would also be paying to fix the Habs mistake in Anderson, don't you think?
Mar. 28 at 10:20 a.m.
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In this case LA would also be paying to fix the Habs mistake in Anderson, don't you think?


No. 16.5 million vs 59.5 million.

Just stop
Mar. 28 at 10:23 a.m.
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Quoting: Black61
No. 16.5 million vs 59.5 million.

Just stop


Player who has scored 157 points over the past 3 seasons vs a player who has scored 82 points over the past 3 seasons.

I expect both players to rebound. Josh to 30 points and PLD to 60 points. Do you think that is far-fetched?
Mar. 28 at 10:23 a.m.
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Anderson has 18 points. Come on stop
Mar. 28 at 10:23 a.m.
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beck > pld

no thx

ill give you andersson for pld though
Mar. 28 at 10:24 a.m.
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Anderson has 18 points. Come on stop


Did you even read the post? I have made my position on Anderson clear. His contract is a bitter pill, but the rest of the deal should balance it out.
Mar. 28 at 10:25 a.m.
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beck > pld

no thx

ill give you andersson for pld though


That is false today and will be false at least until PLD is 31-32.
Mar. 28 at 10:27 a.m.
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Quoting: jonh514
Player who has scored 157 points over the past 3 seasons vs a player who has scored 82 points over the past 3 seasons.

I expect both players to rebound. Josh to 30 points and PLD to 60 points. Do you think that is far-fetched?


Yes youve been told mutiple times now.

PLD has never been a 8.5 million player. He sucks at playing centre.

He has also thoroughly proven he wont be able to handle the media attention in montreal.

Just stop. We get it hes french
Mar. 28 at 10:28 a.m.
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Did you even read the post? I have made my position on Anderson clear. His contract is a bitter pill, but the rest of the deal should balance it out.


no team contending for a cup is adding on a terrible deal for a useless player that'll hurt their team in terms of cap. They gave all that up for PLD, he is staying unless they upgrade in the deal
Mar. 28 at 10:29 a.m.
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That is false today and will be false at least until PLD is 31-32.


beck, and his age, draft status, attitude, youth, cap hit, faceoff % > pld and his baggage.

and when hes that old. hell still cost 8.5 for a couple more years. and thats IF he manages to stay welcomed on the team.
Mar. 28 at 10:33 a.m.
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Yes youve been told mutiple times now.

PLD has never been a 8.5 million player. He sucks at playing centre.

He has also thoroughly proven he wont be able to handle the media attention in montreal.

Just stop. We get it hes french


You must be confusing me with someone else sir.

He's also 6'3, 220 pounds, stands in front of the net, and scores 60 points per year.

FWIW - Dach & Newhook have never been able to score 63 points in a season. I hope they do if they can ever stay healthy.
Mar. 28 at 10:34 a.m.
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Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
no team contending for a cup is adding on a terrible deal for a useless player that'll hurt their team in terms of cap. They gave all that up for PLD, he is staying unless they upgrade in the deal


Listen, they also clear cap space in the deal and there are lots of free agents who can bolster their 3rd line. PLD is not working out for them, and they have a short window to trade him before his NMC kicks in.
Mar. 28 at 10:36 a.m.
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Hasn't PLD been way better since the coaching change in LA?
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Mar. 28 at 10:38 a.m.
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Listen, they also clear cap space in the deal and there are lots of free agents who can bolster their 3rd line. PLD is not working out for them, and they have a short window to trade him before his NMC kicks in.


His "not working out" is much better than Anderson's, and Blake isn't going back on the trade after one year. Very unrealistic
Mar. 28 at 10:39 a.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Hasn't PLD been way better since the coaching change in LA?


Not sure. I don't really follow the Kings.
Mar. 28 at 10:39 a.m.
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I have seen a PLD trade to Montreal every week since last year, and it typically is done by Habs fans. It typically becomes an echo chamber of how lucky the Habs are that they didn't trade for PLD.

We get it, congratulations, but can these trade threads die already?

PLD isn't half as awful as people have thought, and if Blake moved PLD at a loss he would be fired because it would be his third losing move this year (moved Cal Peterson at a loss, fired one of the most expensive coaches in the league, and now this). He isn't getting moved, and will likely improve in LA, which he has, honestly over his last 10 games, I don't have a lot to be upset about.
Mar. 28 at 10:40 a.m.
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Quoting: Kyle_Okposo_Lover
His "not working out" is much better than Anderson's, and Blake isn't going back on the trade after one year. Very unrealistic


I get it, you hate JA. That being said... There's also a prospect center, a goalie, and a 1st round pick in the deal, which is why all the Habs fans are losing their minds.
Mar. 28 at 10:42 a.m.
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Not sure why people hate PLD... I would love to see him in MTL IF his attitude changes...
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Mar. 28 at 10:43 a.m.
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You must be confusing me with someone else sir.

He's also 6'3, 220 pounds, stands in front of the net, and scores 60 points per year.

FWIW - Dach & Newhook have never been able to score 63 points in a season. I hope they do if they can ever stay healthy.


I would love to get PLD, I think he would be a great asset but I would rather send one of Newhook or Dach back to facilitate the trade than include Beck and a 1st. I know it's not a popular opinion around here but neither Dach or Newhook have proven to be what we hoped they would. Newhook is on pace for his first .5 ppg season and Dach is too injury prone for me
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Mar. 28 at 10:46 a.m.
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The PLD ship has sailed (hopefully). Him having "effort issues" has really solidified itself as a real thing. Almost everyone gave him the benefit of the doubt in CBJ, a few still gave him the benefit of the doubt in WIN, now almost no one is giving him the benefit of the doubt in LA...

Habs should steer clear from PLD... Would be nice to shed Anderson's contract (would rather shed Gallagher's in this case), but as someone else mentioned above, it comes down to the difference in actual dollars. PLD will have over $50mil in salary left to be paid off, whereas Anderson (or Gallagher) would have less than $20mil... adding the effort issues from PLD, it's clearly not worth the risk, let alone having to add a prospect of Beck's caliber AND a 1st rd pick.... hard pass
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Mar. 28 at 10:51 a.m.
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I get it, you hate JA. That being said... There's also a prospect center, a goalie, and a 1st round pick in the deal, which is why all the Habs fans are losing their minds.


Im low on Beck, no need for Primeau and a late 1st. If that's for PLD alone then fine, but it'll take all of those assets to dump Anderson anyways so LAK may as well hold onto PLD.
Mar. 28 at 10:59 a.m.
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You must be confusing me with someone else sir.

He's also 6'3, 220 pounds, stands in front of the net, and scores 60 points per year.

FWIW - Dach & Newhook have never been able to score 63 points in a season. I hope they do if they can ever stay healthy.


Except when he doesnt score 60 which has happened in 2 of the last 4 years. He is a passanger that just lucked out in having conner and panarin as a driver.

And being big is irrelevant if you dont use it. He is soft as melted butter
Mar. 28 at 11:05 a.m.
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I have seen a PLD trade to Montreal every week since last year, and it typically is done by Habs fans. It typically becomes an echo chamber of how lucky the Habs are that they didn't trade for PLD.

We get it, congratulations, but can these trade threads die already?

PLD isn't half as awful as people have thought, and if Blake moved PLD at a loss he would be fired because it would be his third losing move this year (moved Cal Peterson at a loss, fired one of the most expensive coaches in the league, and now this). He isn't getting moved, and will likely improve in LA, which he has, honestly over his last 10 games, I don't have a lot to be upset about.


Wasn't the Petersen trade going to be a loss regardless, he was a cap dump.
Mar. 28 at 11:34 a.m.
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Wasn't the Petersen trade going to be a loss regardless, he was a cap dump.


Yes, Blake signed Petersen, and the Kings lost Walker who fetched a first and are paying $2M for it. GM made a bad move and had to correct it, Flyers got a first from Walker which makes them easily the winners of that trade. At the end of the day Blake has a few mistakes and owning up to any more likely costs his job. The only way PLD gets fair value in a trade is if he is a force in the playoffs. Otherwise his NMC kicks in July and these trades can finally die.
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