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Ignoring the fact Ullmark isn't getting the 2024 pick because he can't be extended prior to the pick....the math as mentioned above is out there. I like Walman, but him and a 2nd don't get a 10th overall pick when using the transitive properties.

Apr. 21 at 8:57 a.m.

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Quoting: Schuyler

Yep Walman and a 2nd is worth 10th overall

Quoting: NJDevils1317

Yeah I didn't really think so. Just wanted to try something different to try and get another high pick in this draft.

Apr. 21 at 10:12 a.m.

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Quoting: Lancebmx

Yeah I didn't really think so. Just wanted to try something different to try and get another high pick in this draft.

This is a weird draft to want to do that in though... It kinda sucks lol.

Apr. 21 at 10:21 a.m.

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Quoting: RazorSeider53

This is a weird draft to want to do that in though... It kinda sucks lol.

Quite a few players I like in the top 15-18. I think those top players are all quite good but it falls off per hard after them.

Apr. 21 at 12:33 p.m.

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Quoting: Lancebmx

Quite a few players I like in the top 15-18. I think those top players are all quite good but it falls off per hard after them.

Honestly I’m more on board with packaging our 1st for Andersson.

Apr. 21 at 12:55 p.m.

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I'd toyed around in an ACGM about doing something similar, using Ullmark to basically get a LD2 and a 2nd round pick. In that scenario it was Siegenthaler and a 2nd for Ullmark with a couple other pieces, who is a better fit than Wallman to play with Carlo I think. I don't think it's enough for Boston in this scenario.

Apr. 21 at 12:57 p.m.

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Quoting: RazorSeider53

Honestly I’m more on board with packaging our 1st for Andersson.

Where we pick now, it would depend who's available. We still have alot of organizational holes to fill. A lot of picks didn't pan out or likely aren't going to. We have good LHD depth in the system and that's about it. Unfortunately, it seems that's the easiest spot to draft and fill for almost every team. We don't have any potential first line forwards and even top 6 I'm a bit skeptical. Danielson, Kasper, Mazur and Buchelnikov are the only players I see as potential top 6 forwards and outside of Buch, none of those guys are really skilled offensive producers.
Also, my opinion anyways, I don't think Andersson would be the right target, even though I think he's great. By the time we are good, he will be 30 and making like 8M+. Wouldn't be my first choice but I can see the draw towards wanting to acquire him.

Apr. 21 at 1:01 p.m.

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Quoting: beantownboy17

Seigenthaler and Carlo would be a crazy good defensive pairing. My thought process is New Jersey will likely want to improve, not take a step back. They would be creating a hole to fill another. Their d-core is so young already, I don't think they would want to lose him. I also thought Walman would be a decent partner with Carlo, more offensive type but still good defensively.
I took this scenario as Boston and New Jersey both getting better and Detroit potentially taking a step back which I feel is alright for the team.

Apr. 21 at 1:06 p.m.

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Quoting: beantownboy17

NJD cannot afford to lose Siegenthaler.

Luke hughes and.... who? Unless there are 2 quality LD on the way NJD can't afford to lose Siegs, even tho he struggled last year

Apr. 21 at 3:04 p.m.

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If NJD would bite on that trade, then Boston is leaving a ton of value on the table for no real reason by just not trading with the Devils directly

Apr. 21 at 4:54 p.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

NJD cannot afford to lose Siegenthaler.

Luke hughes and.... who? Unless there are 2 quality LD on the way NJD can't afford to lose Siegs, even tho he struggled last year

Your exact words in response to my post back then was:

"I’d do that even tho I’d hate to see siegs go"

What changed?

Apr. 21 at 5:23 p.m.

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Quoting: beantownboy17

Your exact words in response to my post back then was:

"I’d do that even tho I’d hate to see siegs go"

What changed?

I imagine that came from a value perspective (in which it is more than fair).

But I have since looked at the UFA LD class which is underwhelming, and this view comes from a team needs perspective.

The value is still fair I just don’t see an easy way to find not 1 but 2 quality LD that we’d need if we traded Siegs

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Apr. 21 at 7:09 p.m.

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Quoting: dgibb10

Yeah and most likely, any LD the Devils go after, the Bruins would be after also with more cap

Apr. 21 at 7:34 p.m.

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Quoting: beantownboy17

Yeah and most likely, any LD the Devils go after, the Bruins would be after also with more cap

Currently NJD is looking at about 20 mill for a 2LD, Goalie, 3LW, Mercer, and 2 4th liners.

Apr. 22 at 10:50 a.m.

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Quoting: NJDevils1317

that isn't a fact, it's a subjective opinion.

Apr. 22 at 11:04 a.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

that isn't a fact, it's a subjective opinion.

It is a fact he can't be extended until after the pick is made.

Apr. 22 at 11:09 a.m.

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Quoting: NJDevils1317

It is a fact he can't be extended until after the pick is made.

absolutely. it is not a fact that he won't get a 24 pick.

Apr. 22 at 11:13 a.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

absolutely. it is not a fact that he won't get a 24 pick.

How irresponsible could a team be to move a top 10 pick for no guarantees? We aren't the Senators going for DeBrincat

Apr. 22 at 11:16 a.m.

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Quoting: NJDevils1317

How irresponsible could a team be to move a top 10 pick for no guarantees? We aren't the Senators going for DeBrincat

are you naive enough to think that teams don't talk with players a few days before they're supposed to?

Apr. 22 at 11:23 a.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

are you naive enough to think that teams don't talk with players a few days before they're supposed to?

Teams can talk, but with no actual guarantees...why take the chance? No contract. No deal.

Apr. 22 at 11:25 a.m.

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Quoting: NJDevils1317

Teams can talk, but with no actual guarantees...why take the chance? No contract. No deal.

we have so much evidence that this is not how NHL GMs operate. why is this different?

Apr. 22 at 11:28 a.m.

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

we have so much evidence that this is not how NHL GMs operate. why is this different?

How much evidence do we have of a goalie going for a top 10 pick in an expiring contract. So there is that too.

Apr. 22 at 11:28 a.m.

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Quoting: NJDevils1317

How much evidence do we have of a goalie going for a top 10 pick in an expiring contract. So there is that too.

who said anything about a top ten pick?

Apr. 22 at 11:29 a.m.

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