Since nothing at all actually happened during the offseason, i´m curious what are the options of trades with other teams... as you can see from the roster (I included more players than the roster limit just to see the posibilities who might also get on the team this year),
Offense - the biggest trouble is on the wing, there is only Pavelski who has reputation and who is consistent 60+ points per season producer... i still hope that Boedker will show he is worth that 4 million salary. Donskoi played well 15/16 season, especially in playoffs, but last season was worse (i know he had some injury, but still played 61 games and most of them as a second line wing). Ward would be useful on special teams, he is good grinder, but i think young guys (Labanc and Meier) should be both on top 2 lines and play and play and play. Therefore Ward is on the 4th line, because DeBoer will put Boedker and Hansen on the same line. Karlsson is bottom six player but he will get his TOI on PK unit...i guess we have more guys to do the physical work than playmakers, and especially shooters. Our top 6 guys are Pavelski, Thornton, Couture and Hertl (if stays healhty). I also know there is not much to offer for trade, but we really need to have one top 6 winger (LW would be the best).
Our defense is maybe aging but the situation there is much better than in the offense. I am not sure about the 6th player, guess it would be DeMelo, but i hope Simek makes the team too, he would be great piece to play next to Burns after some time, because Paul Martin wont be signed after the end of his current contract, i also think he is likely to be traded at trade deadline when there is no chance of playoffs. And canť forget about AHL guys Heed and Ryan, they had pretty solid numbers last year, i would give them some opportunities.
Goaltending - there is no problem, maybe other teams would be interested in Dell as their second goalie (cheap, solid numbers), well we still have Grosenick, who has some skills, so if Dell would be part of some trade for winger, no problem for me.
So please write your trade suggestions, we are in a need of winger, we can offer everything except for Joe Pavelski, Logan Couture, Brent Burns, Marc Edouard Vlasic and Martin Jones (not really much value to offer :D , most of the trades would be probably in March on trade deadline and if there is no chance on playoffs, i expect Thornton, Hansen, Tierney, Paul Martin or Ward might be nice pieces for someone)
Kesssel for Meier, Tierney, Braun and a 1st ... I'd throw in Archibald or Simon or another prospect/4th liner that isn't Aston-Reese, Jarry, or Sprong ... or a 4th rounder or later.
Scott Wilson and Archibald for Tierney.
Scott Wilson and a 4th for Teirney.
Hagelin for Chris Tierney and a 2nd or 3rd.
Obviously willing for counter offers.
Quoting: Arom5477
Phil Kessel ($1,000,000 retained) + Adam Johnson + 2nd rnd pick FOR Tomas Hertl + Chris Tierney + 1st rnd pick
Why the hell would you retain any money? He's already has retention from TOR that makes him a beyond reasonable cap hit.
Phil Kessel ($1,000,000 retained) + Adam Johnson + 2nd rnd pick FOR Tomas Hertl + Chris Tierney + 1st rnd pick
Maybe if you leave out Johnson and 2nd round pick, we would give you those two and 2nd round?
I like that it´s a out of division trade ad also our depth and center isn´t bad and we should be able to replace those two (i´m thinking of Meier and Karlsson, or O´Regan)
Meier + Dillon for Nyquist + Ericsson (ret. $250k) + 2019 3rd from Detroit?
We would get too high on cap and our need is Nyquist, not Ericsson, for me not, i don´t know what are your needs so i can not give any counter offer, maybe Meier+another prospect+2nd round pick just for Nyquist?
Kesssel for Meier, Tierney, Braun and a 1st ... I'd throw in Archibald or Simon or another prospect/4th liner that isn't Aston-Reese, Jarry, or Sprong ... or a 4th rounder or later.
Scott Wilson and Archibald for Tierney.
Scott Wilson and a 4th for Teirney.
Hagelin for Chris Tierney and a 2nd or 3rd.
Obviously willing for counter offers.
Quoting: Arom5477
Phil Kessel ($1,000,000 retained) + Adam Johnson + 2nd rnd pick FOR Tomas Hertl + Chris Tierney + 1st rnd pick
Why the hell would you retain any money? He's already has retention from TOR that makes him a beyond reasonable cap hit.
Scott Wilson and 4th for Tierney? Yes please, like that one.
That trade with Kessel I think the value might be there but still don´t like the trade because after what Aroms5477 offered this looks like too much? I would see it Kessel for Braun, Tierney, 1st round plus some prospect (not Meier or Labanc, maybe Goodrow, Carpenter (both RW) or Chartier (center)?) and maybe some conditional pick about Kessel performance?
What would you guys ask for Sheary or Guentzel? IMO they are still unproven (at least Guentzel) and i don´t know what line they were on (if with Crosby, i understand their numbers)
Some Calgary fan here? How about we give you some left handed defensman for a winger? I´m interested in Frolík, Ferland or Backlund (yes not winger but good quality center is also interesting, if we get him, it would open space for another trades as we could get rid of some other centers) from your team, do we have something you need?
We would get too high on cap and our need is Nyquist, not Ericsson, for me not, i don´t know what are your needs so i can not give any counter offer, maybe Meier+another prospect+2nd round pick just for Nyquist?
Our needs are cap space, prospects, & picks... so your counter is reasonable. Meier + Jeremy Roy + 2019 2nd = Nyquist + 2019 4th?
We would get too high on cap and our need is Nyquist, not Ericsson, for me not, i don´t know what are your needs so i can not give any counter offer, maybe Meier+another prospect+2nd round pick just for Nyquist?
Our needs are cap space, prospects, & picks... so your counter is reasonable. Meier + Jeremy Roy + 2019 2nd = Nyquist + 2019 4th?
Why are you moving such a valuable prospect (Jeremy Roy), who projects to be a right handed Duncan Keith, Timo Meier and a higher draft slot for Gustav Nyquvist and a 4th. It's basically Timo + 2nd = Nyquist + 4th, and then DET gets a very good prospect.
Our needs are cap space, prospects, & picks... so your counter is reasonable. Meier + Jeremy Roy + 2019 2nd = Nyquist + 2019 4th?
Why are you moving such a valuable prospect (Jeremy Roy), who projects to be a right handed Duncan Keith, Timo Meier and a higher draft slot for Gustav Nyquvist and a 4th. It's basically Timo + 2nd = Nyquist + 4th, and then DET gets a very good prospect.
I was not excited from Meier this year, IMO his value is lower than value of the overall 9th pick in 2015 (I mean if we traded the pick before draft, we would get more than what we would obtain today for Meier). But I agree with that Jeremy Roy part, if you want a defender, i would offer Cavan Fitzgerald...or Julius Bergman if you change your pick to 3rd.
This deal obviously only works if you're sellers this year (which I think you should be... Give away the old, come in with young players with top-6 potential)
Why are you moving such a valuable prospect (Jeremy Roy), who projects to be a right handed Duncan Keith, Timo Meier and a higher draft slot for Gustav Nyquvist and a 4th. It's basically Timo + 2nd = Nyquist + 4th, and then DET gets a very good prospect.
I was not excited from Meier this year, IMO his value is lower than value of the overall 9th pick in 2015 (I mean if we traded the pick before draft, we would get more than what we would obtain today for Meier). But I agree with that Jeremy Roy part, if you want a defender, i would offer Cavan Fitzgerald...or Julius Bergman if you change your pick to 3rd.
How about we drop the picks and all else stays the same?
Kesssel for Meier, Tierney, Braun and a 1st ... I'd throw in Archibald or Simon or another prospect/4th liner that isn't Aston-Reese, Jarry, or Sprong ... or a 4th rounder or later.
Scott Wilson and Archibald for Tierney.
Scott Wilson and a 4th for Teirney.
Hagelin for Chris Tierney and a 2nd or 3rd.
Obviously willing for counter offers.
Why the hell would you retain any money? He's already has retention from TOR that makes him a beyond reasonable cap hit.
Scott Wilson and 4th for Tierney? Yes please, like that one.
That trade with Kessel I think the value might be there but still don´t like the trade because after what Aroms5477 offered this looks like too much? I would see it Kessel for Braun, Tierney, 1st round plus some prospect (not Meier or Labanc, maybe Goodrow, Carpenter (both RW) or Chartier (center)?) and maybe some conditional pick about Kessel performance?
Aroms offer is ... not realistic. He's offering way to much ... Johnson and PITs 1st gets Tierney and SJ 2nd or something very close. Kessel is so much better then Hertel (who is all potential and injury) that the deal doesn't even make sense ... and he's offering retention on a contract that is so far beyond reasonable it's silly. He scored 70pts and 23 more in the playoffs, and has one 2 cups ... that's an $9m player, making $6.8m and he's offering to retain $1m down to $5.9m? He's only 29, going on 30, and is signed for more 5 years or until he is 34, which should all still be prime years. Pavelski is 33 right now.
Meier hasn't show much yet, as I believe you said yourself. Teirney is a 3rd center and thats all he's projected to be, Braun a mid-ish defenseman on most teams, but a 5th in PIT (which is replaceable), and a 1st (mid to late (16-30)round if SJ is a play off team) ... for a player that will out score you're best forward playing on you're 3rd line if you wanted ... He and Pavelski played together internationally too. Everyone you trade can be replaced. How many players in the league can do what Phil Kessel can do and are being paid $6.8m? He's a top 10-20 player in the NHL. He played left side point and left forward on the PP and many of his points come off the left side of the ice so transition would be simple.
This deal obviously only works if you're sellers this year (which I think you should be... Give away the old, come in with young players with top-6 potential)
You say give away old, and want us to trade Couture who is 28.. Old guys (30+) are Thornton, Ward, Martin, Pavelski, Burns, Hansen, Vlasic, Braun... IMO Pavelski, Vlasic and Burns are currently unavailable, and the others will be traded only for high value or on trade deadline (that´s not what i would do but what Wilson would do). Definitely it is time to start the rebuild, i hope we will target Tavares if he hits free agency next year.
I was not excited from Meier this year, IMO his value is lower than value of the overall 9th pick in 2015 (I mean if we traded the pick before draft, we would get more than what we would obtain today for Meier). But I agree with that Jeremy Roy part, if you want a defender, i would offer Cavan Fitzgerald...or Julius Bergman if you change your pick to 3rd.
How about we drop the picks and all else stays the same?
Nyquist = Meier + Roy. Is that more fair?
Meier together with Roy is for me higher value than Nyquist
Scott Wilson and 4th for Tierney? Yes please, like that one.
That trade with Kessel I think the value might be there but still don´t like the trade because after what Aroms5477 offered this looks like too much? I would see it Kessel for Braun, Tierney, 1st round plus some prospect (not Meier or Labanc, maybe Goodrow, Carpenter (both RW) or Chartier (center)?) and maybe some conditional pick about Kessel performance?
Aroms offer is ... not realistic. He's offering way to much ... Johnson and PITs 1st gets Tierney and SJ 2nd or something very close. Kessel is so much better then Hertel (who is all potential and injury) that the deal doesn't even make sense ... and he's offering retention on a contract that is so far beyond reasonable it's silly. He scored 70pts and 23 more in the playoffs, and has one 2 cups ... that's an $9m player, making $6.8m and he's offering to retain $1m down to $5.9m? He's only 29, going on 30, and is signed for more 5 years or until he is 34, which should all still be prime years. Pavelski is 33 right now.
Meier hasn't show much yet, as I believe you said yourself. Teirney is a 3rd center and thats all he's projected to be, Braun a mid-ish defenseman on most teams, but a 5th in PIT (which is replaceable), and a 1st (mid to late (16-30)round if SJ is a play off team) ... for a player that will out score you're best forward playing on you're 3rd line if you wanted ... He and Pavelski played together internationally too. Everyone you trade can be replaced. How many players in the league can do what Phil Kessel can do and are being paid $6.8m? He's a top 10-20 player in the NHL. He played left side point and left forward on the PP and many of his points come off the left side of the ice so transition would be simple.
So what do you want in exchange for Kessel alone with no picks and other players?
M. Duchene for K. Labanc T. Heed or J. Ryan 19 first
Probably keeps them competitive this year and helps replacing Marleau.
He is not the right guy for me.. yes he can help us move to playoffs but not any further, unlike Kessel... I would do trades which would give us at least chance to get to conference finals (which is almost impossible) or trades that would get us as many prospects and picks as possible (which I would prefer). Get rid of Hansen, Martin, Ward, Braun, Thornton (sad but it is time to move on, i don´t expect much from him after the knee injury), Boedker (but who would want him with his salary) and let youngsters play.
Aroms offer is ... not realistic. He's offering way to much ... Johnson and PITs 1st gets Tierney and SJ 2nd or something very close. Kessel is so much better then Hertel (who is all potential and injury) that the deal doesn't even make sense ... and he's offering retention on a contract that is so far beyond reasonable it's silly. He scored 70pts and 23 more in the playoffs, and has one 2 cups ... that's an $9m player, making $6.8m and he's offering to retain $1m down to $5.9m? He's only 29, going on 30, and is signed for more 5 years or until he is 34, which should all still be prime years. Pavelski is 33 right now.
Meier hasn't show much yet, as I believe you said yourself. Teirney is a 3rd center and thats all he's projected to be, Braun a mid-ish defenseman on most teams, but a 5th in PIT (which is replaceable), and a 1st (mid to late (16-30)round if SJ is a play off team) ... for a player that will out score you're best forward playing on you're 3rd line if you wanted ... He and Pavelski played together internationally too. Everyone you trade can be replaced. How many players in the league can do what Phil Kessel can do and are being paid $6.8m? He's a top 10-20 player in the NHL. He played left side point and left forward on the PP and many of his points come off the left side of the ice so transition would be simple.
So what do you want in exchange for Kessel alone with no picks and other players?
Kessel for Mier, Teirney, Braun, and 1st.
Actually feel like PIT should be asking for 2nd as well.
M. Duchene for K. Labanc T. Heed or J. Ryan 19 first
Probably keeps them competitive this year and helps replacing Marleau.
He is not the right guy for me.. yes he can help us move to playoffs but not any further, unlike Kessel... I would do trades which would give us at least chance to get to conference finals (which is almost impossible) or trades that would get us as many prospects and picks as possible (which I would prefer). Get rid of Hansen, Martin, Ward, Braun, Thornton (sad but it is time to move on, i don´t expect much from him after the knee injury), Boedker (but who would want him with his salary) and let youngsters play.
I do think Duchene would be a fit and much cheaper than Kessel. But I agree ship out Ward Hansen, hopefully Boedker for picks/prospects and maybe try to make a splash in free agency with extra cap room. Depends if we are going for rebuild on the fly which is trying to stay competitive this year, or if it looks more like a traditional rebuild where we miss the playoffs the next few years
He is not the right guy for me.. yes he can help us move to playoffs but not any further, unlike Kessel... I would do trades which would give us at least chance to get to conference finals (which is almost impossible) or trades that would get us as many prospects and picks as possible (which I would prefer). Get rid of Hansen, Martin, Ward, Braun, Thornton (sad but it is time to move on, i don´t expect much from him after the knee injury), Boedker (but who would want him with his salary) and let youngsters play.
I do think Duchene would be a fit and much cheaper than Kessel. But I agree ship out Ward Hansen, hopefully Boedker for picks/prospects and maybe try to make a splash in free agency with extra cap room. Depends if we are going for rebuild on the fly which is trying to stay competitive this year, or if it looks more like a traditional rebuild where we miss the playoffs the next few years
I think Dough Wilson is the kind of guy who won´t trade stars of the team (Couture, Burns, Pavelski, Vlasic, Jones) especially when 3 of them have new contracts (i wonder how situation around Pavelski and Couture turns out, because they have both 2 years left and they can be great additions for every cup contender but our offense would be terrible without those two). Signing Thornton meant for me that we want to try another cup run, but not signing any UFAs (well Bollig, what a joke if we want to reach playoffs) looks like we are either making room for next season UFAs (Tavares please) or we will try something during season and especially on Trade deadline. I think we have some good prospects, just let them play
I do think Duchene would be a fit and much cheaper than Kessel. But I agree ship out Ward Hansen, hopefully Boedker for picks/prospects and maybe try to make a splash in free agency with extra cap room. Depends if we are going for rebuild on the fly which is trying to stay competitive this year, or if it looks more like a traditional rebuild where we miss the playoffs the next few years
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I think Dough Wilson is the kind of guy who won´t trade stars of the team (Couture, Burns, Pavelski, Vlasic, Jones) especially when 3 of them have new contracts (i wonder how situation around Pavelski and Couture turns out, because they have both 2 years left and they can be great additions for every cup contender but our offense would be terrible without those two). Signing Thornton meant for me that we want to try another cup run, but not signing any UFAs (well Bollig, what a joke if we want to reach playoffs) looks like we are either making room for next season UFAs (Tavares please) or we will try something during season and especially on Trade deadline. I think we have some good prospects, just let them play
Yes I really want Tavares i think if we keep things the same and essentially replace Thornton with Tavares next year we are in good shape with the same core and plenty of young talent who can hopefully end up as depth scoring.
My worry is that you know what you're getting consistently game in game out from Burns, Pavs, Couture, but beyond that it's a lot of question marks.
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