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Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 30, 2023 at 3:19 p.m.
Thread: Move laine
Seattle moving one of their top point getters who’s only 28 and on pace to hit between 20-25 goals & 60-70 points? Moving one of the few true building blocks they have to obtain a guy who’s paid 8.7 on a long term deal and his failing to live up to expectations. true currently producing at a 20 point pace lower than Bjorkstrand.

Honestly that would be a terrible move on Seattles part in my opinion. I get that’s why the Kent Johnson part of the trade exists. Yes Laine could refind his game. I’ve always been a big advocate of taking risks when a player has a history of high or higher production. But honestly in this case if the sole purpose is to “move Laine” then Columbus could accomplish that, plausibly even to Seattle without having to include Kent Johnson and I’m almost certain it wouldn’t involve Bjorkstrand either. Yamamoto I could see being part of the deal in some form but Bjorkstrand to me just wouldn’t make any sense for them to do such a thing.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 22, 2023 at 7:01 a.m.
Thread: Guentzel to Vancouver at TDL
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>penguinswin</b></div><div>But if we trade for both Kuzy's, (VAN &amp; WSH) who neither of which play with any drive or motivation..... they would be the Beer-league Coozies!</div></div>

Honestly there’s been times this season watching the pens embarrassing attempt at hockey (like the Toronto game) where I wasn’t convinced that they could have even beat Colby Armstrong’s beer league team so that could be fitting for more than one reason lol.

In all seriousness tho I’m hoping they can get s*** together and salvage this season. Dubas really needs to find a way to clear the space to resign Guentzel. I’m not exactly the biggest Guentzel fan in the past few seasons, however if the pens are serious about pushing for another cup before Sid, Geno &amp; Tanger go, moving him would be a mistake. At least right now.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 21, 2023 at 3:43 p.m.
Thread: dump campbell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>my_name_is_Fil</b></div><div>its a good start, but it will cost more than that to dump campbell soup
try WITH bourgeoult, and or lavoie.
think thats too much?
buy him out yourself for most of the nest decade.</div></div>

Agreed. At the very least I would attach another more promising prospect that’s a few years out like Akey but Montreal doesn’t really need another young defensive prospect. They have a pretty solid pool of those already. I could see an Oliver Rodrigue involved in this deal. Good goalie prospect but that wouldn’t benefit Edmonton since Skinner is looking shakey this year. They’re gonna want to keep Rodrigue unless is involved in a deal for a long term high quality starter. Another 1s as mokumboi pointed out could work. It’ll at least get the conversation started. Because Campbell buyout is gonna be at least 6 years and if I had to guess 1.5M. It won’t affect them this off season or next but it’ll absolutely hit then hard when it comes time to sign those promising young stars to their big boy contracts.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 20, 2023 at 8:17 p.m.
Thread: Karlsson to NSH - See Thread
I think this is just one of those situations where we’ll have to agree to disagree.

I completely get where you’re coming from but looking at the whole picture if and I’m saying IF because that’s the whole basis of this trade talk to begin with. IF Nashville looks to try and make a serious run this season the only other true defensive upgrades they could look towards is Hanifin which I’m sure he’ll go elsewhere unless the possibility of playing with Josi intrigues him. Matheson, and Savard at the very least are likely to be shopped but Montreal would be foolish to move on Matheson unless they get a great deal. There are few other bigger name pending UFAs like Pesce for example but none of them are likely to be moved because they’re currently playoff bound themselves. Karlsson bad contract or not would be their easiest target. If that were to happen I could easily see a conditional 1st and Carrier for Karlsson if the preds remain lower in the seeds with a conditional first being if they make it to the Stanley Cup Finals. If not the pens get a 2nd.

Yes like I said I agree Rakell would be a stretch right now because of his poor production thus far (again the poll) but I never understood people that write a player off for one bad season especially when they’ve only played 18 games lol.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 20, 2023 at 6:00 p.m.
Thread: Karlsson to NSH - See Thread
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gmgb</b></div><div>I don't know who these analysts you've been listening to are, but there's next to no chance PIT would be able to move Karlsson's cap hit without retaining or taking some significant salary back (and that's not even with Boat Anchor Rakell included).

Being the point man on an 0 for 40 PP isn't exactly a selling feature either. Regardless, aside from having a lot of cap space to accommodate his salary, NSH is a poor destination for Karlsson. He's not going to get the lion's share of EV or PP time with Josi there. Even if a team was convinced Karlsson could keep up his current level of play for the rest of his contract (which is a big gamble - he never has been the most consistent player), NSH needs other pieces a lot more than a $10M offensive defenseman.</div></div>

A boat anchor? Lol. Dude literally had 60 points (28 of which were goals). He’s having a bad season and played a portion of it with a nagging lower body injury. One bad season does not make him a boat anchor lol. The only reason I would include him in this deal or move him elsewhere would be for salary cap purposes cause out of the 4 top wingers he’s the least essential to us. We have Rust, and Guentzel. If it’s between smith and Rakell I’m choosing Rakell because smith has a Stanley Cup under his belt &amp; way more Playoff experience.

The 0 for 40 PP has a lot more to it than simply saying “ITS KARLSSONS FAULT” lol. If you watched any of the games there’s only two guys moving around trying to open shooting lanes and passing lanes and he’s one of them. Everyone else stands still and just waits for th puck. The pens power play as a whole has been trash. Not Karlssons specifically lol. What i was saying is despite that missed opportunity for points he still has 22 in 30 which says a lot about the offensive production he’s bringing.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 20, 2023 at 2:25 p.m.
Thread: Karlsson to NSH - See Thread
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gmgb</b></div><div>I don't think PIT has a chance of wriggling out of multiple years of $15M bad contracts, plus getting all these assets to boot.

NSH is an odd team to try and trade Karlsson to. They already have a lot of money and term locked in on the backend, plus a better #1 defenseman to boot.

Rakell's contract is borderline unmovable.</div></div>


Rakell is absolutely a tough sell for sure (hence the poll) so this particular version may not be doable.

However Karlsson still holds value. His contract isn’t pretty when compared to his age but the guys was a James Norris winner last season and boasts 22pts in 30 games on a team that’s not only been staying at .500 but one that is amongst the worst power plays in the entire league. Literally 0 for like 40 PP straight. Karlsson was really the only one consistently firing the puck at the net and getting it across the blue line for most of that stretch. He’s still got it and most analyst agree the pens could easily move him to a playoff contender and get their 1st and 2nd back at the least if they could just make the cap work. Nashville has the open cap and are surprising the league being in a playoff contention spot. The only question is will they sustain and would they want to make the move for him.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 20, 2023 at 1:10 p.m.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 19, 2023 at 7:08 a.m.
Thread: Pit - Nsh - Dal fixing the D
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>IjustNEEDaTROYgamble</b></div><div>but you answered your question on why it won't be Rust and Rakell, because Guentzel is a pending ufa that Dallas does not have account in next years cap as they don't want Rakell or Rusts extra 4 or 5 years and they need Carrier to help save this season and draft picks are not going to help the Penguins win in the short window before Sid, Geno and Letang leave</div></div>

I wasn’t suggesting Rust or Rakell to Dallas to clarify. I was simply saying they are more like to move Rakell or Rust to whomever they can work a deal with to free up the space to resign Guentzel.

As for Carrier, as promising as he is and as well as he’s played thus far, they’re gonna need a lot more than him to “Win now”. In that same token if the pens are in win now mode, which they are. Moving their point per game winger for another offensive minded defensemen when they already have Karlsson &amp; Letang.

This trade just wouldn’t make sense for them in anyway unless they’re looking to sell and if that’s the case they’re going to be searching for players like Carrier…yes to fill the void temporarily if they are trying to do a quick rebuild which is unlikely given Sid, Geno, and Tangers age. That ship has sailed. So now if they go rebuild it’s gonna be a whole sale for prospects and picks.

Honestly when it comes to the pens and their stubbornness I’m betting Karlsson gets moved at the end of the season if not the deadline if things don’t turn around for them by then.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 18, 2023 at 11:58 a.m.
Thread: Penguins Hidden Gem See Thread
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Augustus</b></div><div>I have no idea about the player, myself, but I love the rationale, if he can be a sort of Tomas Holmstrom for Pittsburgh, someone like Rakell or Rust or whoever coach chooses can play further down the lineup to spread out the talent and offence, hoping it works..

Pretty interesting swap too. Instinct says giving up the speedier player could be worse for Pittsburgh, but I think overall I'm liking where you're going with this.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Augustus</b></div><div>I have no idea about the player, myself, but I love the rationale, if he can be a sort of Tomas Holmstrom for Pittsburgh, someone like Rakell or Rust or whoever coach chooses can play further down the lineup to spread out the talent and offence, hoping it works..

Pretty interesting swap too. Instinct says giving up the speedier player could be worse for Pittsburgh, but I think overall I'm liking where you're going with this.</div></div>


Nieto wouldn’t be my first choice (especially as a pens fan myself) but the Islanders aren’t going to hand a player they like even a bottom 6 forward like Fasching to a rival without getting something they can find value in. Having a speedy guy with a decent shot that plays aggressive could be something they could utilize.

As for Fasching he’s nothing to write home about, but he reminds me a lot of Chris Kunitz. Kunitz was never supposed to be anything more than a 4th winger until Pittsburgh implemented him into their system with Sid. He was younger at the time then Fasching is now, but Fasching has recently started to kind of find his game well enough to be a mainstay in the line up and might benefit the same way as Kunitz did in the Pens system. I don’t think he’ll hit the same level by any means but could fill a familiar role that’s been lacking
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 7, 2023 at 6:56 p.m.
Thread: pens blockbuster
Keep in mind I’m a Pens fan saying what I’m about to say.

Bad move on Buffalo part. If I'm Buffalo in this deal, I’m not moving one of my top stars for another top star. They’re a rising team and adding a steady experienced consistent goal scorer like Guentzel would be one of the pieces to help push them into that next level. So swapping top end forwards would not benefit Buffalo in anyway. Also keeping in mind Pittsburgh is a struggling team right now. No point in paying high to a team that isn’t competitive in the standings.

BEST I would do if I’m Buffalo is 1st Rounder, Olofsson, &amp; a decent to good prospect. Anything more and I’m damaging my team when we’re right on the verge of breaking through into being a serious competitor. There’s no way Pittsburgh takes that return at this point as they are dead set on trying to get it together and chase the cup one more time. So all around there’s too many roadblocks for Buffalo to land Guentzel.
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 5, 2023 at 2:49 p.m.
Thread: Everybody Wins
To take a step outside of the debate. I would say I actually agree with you in terms of Lindholm &amp; debatable on Hanifins value. When the trade was first speculated and discussed my initial value assessment was simply 1st round pick &amp; Lysell or Debrusk for Lindholm.

I’m a pens fan and would hate if a team that’s potential Stanley cup contenders like the Bruins (especially them actually) were to obtain the pieces they need to make a serious push. Assuming our team ever gets their **** together and actually starts showing up to even make it to the playoffs. I wouldn’t want a Boston Bruins team with Lindholm and Hanifin on the other side of the ice.

The point being I’m looking at this unbiasedly based on 3 major factors.

1) Boston focus on Lindholm as “their guy”

2) Calgarys firm stance on return value and what they feel that looks like (if it were up for discussion the deal would already be done)

3) the league wide attention a players like Lindholm &amp; Hanifin brings and the current status of several big names and the trade rumors and failing performances around them that create a lot of competition for Boston to win the sweepstakes.

Under normal circumstances and salary conditions I would actually agree with your assessment of value
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsDec. 5, 2023 at 1:35 p.m.
Thread: Everybody Wins
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hobo</b></div><div>Bruins aren't likely moving a 19 year old kid who earned his spot on the team (Poitras)</div></div>

I know I clarified that. Another commenter said that CAL would want Poitras instead of Lysell. I said I agree that they probably would but Boston would likely not take that trade.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hobo</b></div><div>So basically you are saying the the Bruins move a Vezna goalie, Ullmark, Debrusk, Lohrei, Lysell, Matty G and a 1st for Noah and Lindholm.......never in a million years would they grossly overpay for two UFA players who are unhappy with their current team.</div></div>

Ullmark was already shopped around heavily prior to the start of the season when the Bruins were seeking a #1 C to replace Bergeron. Moving him in this deal gains exactly that while putting some of the payment to CAL on EDM plate. Matty G is vastly underperforming and neither him nor Debrusk are not the same caliber players as Lindholm and Hanifin. UFA status only means something if your team has no intention of signing the player or the player has no intention of signing to the team. Lindholm and Hanifin are only at odds with their team because they’re disorganized and losing. If they land on a team that is proving to be a Stanley Cup contender like Boston they’re almost guaranteed to resign. And yes grossly overpaying for UFAs is exactly what every playoff team does to bulk up their main roster and fill gaps. Plus salary cap issues this year are making standard hockey moves impossible. So yes if they really want Hanifin and Lindholm like they’re rumored to, they’re gonna overpay
Forum: Trade Machine ProposalsAug. 14, 2023 at 4:13 p.m.