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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2023 at 4:33 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2023 at 4:29 p.m.
Thread: Dubas Ws
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>Based on how NMCs work and the CBA that governs it, if Carter doesn’t want to retire or allow a trade to occur, that contract would in fact be dead weight and you’d have to just have it on your books until it’s over.

You’re absolutely right Dubas and Sullivan dictate whether or not he plays in PIT ever again. However because he signed a contract with NMC clause in it, that means you can’t do whatever you want with his contract whether you want to play him or not. It is legally binding. I’m not sure how else to spell it out for you.</div></div>

We are in fact agreeing it's up in the air if it will happen just like the Karlsson trsde or any move it's an armchair GM roster, but what I will say is "I don't know how to spell it out for you" either because there's three options that happen if we never play him again:

1) Hes deadweight or actually retires (which is what you're hoping to avoid but ultimately better than rostering him)
2) He wants to still play (you work with him to find a team he would waive for like Chicago to make that possible)
3) He thought he would play his last year in Pittsburgh and hearing he won't be played he effectively retires but not in actuality and his contract gets traded to the Coyotes just like others have in the past

Players are also businessmen and adults they're not going to be spiteful about these decisions to purposefully harm the team wanting to move them they'll work to find something suitable. He's not the first old player with a bad contract with a NMC, and it's a relatively minimal cap hit for a team with a lot of space for just one year remaining. I don't know what's got you so pressed on this.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2023 at 4:15 p.m.
Thread: Dubas Ws
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>He’s got an NMC so you can’t just trade his contract if he’s being “spiteful” and not in agreement with being traded. Not how it works.</div></div>

As I responded to the other comment, you try claiming "it's not how it works" when the facts of the matter are the only people who get to decide if Carter plays another game in a Penguins jersey are Dubas and Sully. They can sit him and play others over him when injuries arrive.

You can't buy him out, so you tell him you can essentially retire but not actually and stay with your family while we move your contract to Arizona, or if you want to play one last year it's not going to be for us and we can move you to Chicago. We can have his contract be deadweight without him in the lineup if he chooses to be spiteful and not go with either of those options and it would still be an improvement than having him in the lineup. NMC really has no weight here for him if he wants to play.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2023 at 4:12 p.m.
Thread: Dubas Ws
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Justafan79</b></div><div>Jeff Carter "I don't want to move my Family and want to retire a penguin." What about that statement gives any indication he says anything other than F***off to Dubas when he asks Carter to waive his NMC.</div></div>

Why are you agressive with it? From a business standpoint Dubas can easily tell Carter "we do not think you have it anymore and you will not be playing for the Penguins this year if you choose to stay others will play over you" whether directly telling him he's a detriment to the team or not it's not his decision whether he plays another game for the Penguins, it's Dubas and Sully's.

Which then, as I've said and referring to your stating he wants to be with his family, it wouldn't matter if his contract got moved he could essentially retire without actually retiring and stay at home. Alternatively, as I've described Chicago being an amicable spot for him if he wanted to continue playing hockey it's close enough and would be a better place to play one last year than Arizona.

Again, it's not up to Carter whether he plays another game for the Penguins.

And as you edited your comment to mention why this would happen when he made an agreement with the team? He made that with Hextall and a different management. This is Dubas looking to fix our team of those bad decisions. It's a business.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2023 at 4:04 p.m.
Thread: Dubas Ws
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>Petry and Carter just say no and none of this happens</div></div>

For Petry, sure, obviously there's something holding up the trade from going through with Dubas trying to pry Karlsson out, but Petry would definitely need to be going back.

Carter, as I said in the description, would moreso be up to him if he still wants to play. Worse case, he's spiteful and chooses to watch from the press box every game and we can't move his contract but he should never wear a Penguins jersey again. If he doesn't want to play we can move that contract to Arizona, but if he does there's other teams like Chicago he would probably be more amicable to go to that can take that cap hit for the time being with the phase they're in, and while he's obviously washed would have veteran leadership they want to surround Bedard with.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 6, 2023 at 3:59 p.m.
Thread: Dubas Ws
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Waffelz</b></div><div>Sharks have repeatedly said they will retain $3m max on Karlsson, and getting him at $5.75m will cost an absolutely massive amount.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>poeticentropy</b></div><div>Karlsson didn't demand a trade bro.
SJ isn't going to eat anywhere close to 50%. They'll keep Karlsson if returns like this is all they see out there for Karlsson.
Expect somewhere around 20-30% retention</div></div>

Do you people not read the descriptions? I never said Karlsson demanded a trade if you're considering that different than what...you know I actually stated...that he wanted out which is widely reported to be true and the Penguins are the frontrunners with possibly Carolina too. I have already stated that the trade would involve a third team that would either take the full 50% or the remaining 30% while the Sharks would max around 20% if any, so why bother commenting that twice?
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2019 at 12:56 p.m.
Thread: Cup Number Six
I'll give it to you that Simon is a good possession player and makes others around him better, but that's why you trade him to get Gusev. You don't just get to trade your worse players for the player you want to get, it doesn't work that way. Moreover though, while I admit that forthright, I hate him. Possession numbers are only part of the picture, obviously valuable, but he doesn't turn that into actual production. Even when he boosted Sid's lines possession numbers, it didn't translate into more points, hence why Rust ended up getting back up their with Sid and Guentzel. Know why he has good possession numbers? He just holds on to the puck way too much, especially when there's better players around him he should be getting it to. He can't finish worth ****, frankly I think he sucks, but everyone else thinks he's good, hence why I put him in the trade.

Edit: Another thing, the asking price is a prospect and a pick, not another prospect's RFA rights like many are trying to trade ZAR for Gusev, it doesn't even make sense. Meanwhile, we have plenty of skilled wingers that can play top-six minutes, or even top-nine, ZAR is more of a 4th liner than Simon, and I'd much rather see the lineup I have listed with McCann on the first line than Simon.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2019 at 11:28 a.m.
Thread: Cup Number Six Part Two Cup Seven
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AFOX10900</b></div><div>Isn't Faulk generally considered to be better than Schultz... So why would he take less than Schultz would, as long as we can keep the Schultz deal under 6mil and AT MOST 5 years I'd be fine with it, especially with the Tyler Myers signing ??? that contract wouldn't be bad, Kahun scored 40 points last year... He's not a 4th liner AND he's not going to get paid like one, minimum 2+mil, and at least top 9 mins, and he's probably going to get at least 50+ bc last year was his first year on NA ice and almost every player has to have an adjustment time, and now he's going to Pittsburgh which has an extremely offense first scheme, I could see him getting a very similar deal to McCann and POJ won't be ready, same with Addison (though Addison has a bit more of a chance, but he'll probably need some AHL time, he might get a few call ups though) Tanev probably won't be in the top 6, just swap him and Kahun, Adam Johnson (and possibly that Oula Palve)&gt;Blandisi and the 23 man is over the cap</div></div>

Yeah I mean this roster is basically just to show we would be fine under the cap moving forward given the proposed first roster. Like I said, whether it's Schultz or Faulk or whoever we can still spend a sizable bit there. Kahun, yes, I agree he's going to get time with Sid and Geno, but I'm judging this off how Sully likes to run his lines and how you should balance lines in general. Kahun deserves a shot at those minutes no doubt, but Sully likes playing pairs together and rotating the wings elsewhere, so say Sid-Guentzel obviously, then it would go down the line: Malkin-Gusev, Bjugstad-Hornqvist, and Blueger-ZAR probably with the other wings moving around. Moreover, having a grinder and a shooter per line, while players don't get restricted to these roles alone obviously, it's good to try and balance it that way.

McCann (passer) - Sid (grinder - best in hockey) - Guenztel (shooter)
Gusev (passer) - Malkin (shooter) - Tanev (grinder)
Chucky (shooter) - Bjugstad (passer) - Hornqvist (grinder)
ZAR (grinder) - Blueger (passer) - Kahun (shotoer)

Generally speaking of course, but this lets us run four effective lines every game instead of being top-weighted or having our bottom lines suck, we despeartely need depth scoring, which is where putting a skilled player like Kahun on the fourth line would come in while Tanev can win those puck battles Malkin and Gusev might be too lazy to go after.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2019 at 9:06 a.m.
Thread: Cup Number Six
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>noahginty1</b></div><div>Gudbranson at his cap hit and style will not get us anywhere close to a second rounder. Ottawa is looking to rebuild, not take on big contracts and sacrifice a second round pick for a third pair defenseman. A more realistic deal would look like: Gudbranson + 5th for a 4th from Ottawa. I don't see Gudbranson being moved regardless, but your return for him was too high.

Also no way I can see GMJR moving both Gudbranson &amp; Johnson.

Gusev is also an interesting thought (and a good, fair deal) that you proposed. The only problem I see there is that Galchenyuk, McCann, ZAR, Kahun, Schultz, Murray (and through your scenario here) Forbort are all going to need to get paid next summer. The $4M given to Gusev ties our hand and will make us lose more of those guys than we would like. That $4M alone for Gusev could probably only keep Murray and MAYBE McCann around. Unless Bjugstad gets dumped to give us more space, I can't see Gusev as a realistic possibility either.</div></div>

Meh, I think Gudbranson fits their style and being from Ottawa would be appealing to get him. I do agree they're trying to rebuild, and as such, you don't want to do TOO well as to get the higher draft picks, but with the recent changes to the top three picks, I think Ottawa would still at least want to be competitive. Currently, their top pair RHD is Zaitsev, of whom, I think could have a resurgence given the chance to produce offensively, but I wouldn't trust him with top-pairing minutes. Their other RHD is Hainsey. They have pleeeenty of cap space, and I do believe they'd be wise to get Gudbranson actually to help them on that side. They also have 3 second round picks, so while you obviously want to stockpile for a rebuild, I think this is possible.

So aside from what pick we could get in return, I do believe Gudbranson to Ottawa could be a real possibility seeing as we only really got him to help with Schultz out. Now that we're entering a full year, I hope Rutherford sees he's not needed even though he didn't necesarilly do bad, $4 mil for a bottom pair on a contending team is not ideal at all. So we ship him out for a pick without needing to waste anything else. Meanwhile, we ship Rust out with Johnson to make that possible with a serviceable return. I also believe this is doable with Johnson having been drafter there, plays more of a Kings style, and can replace Forbort at only slightly higher cap for them while they get a good younger forward in Rust.

So yeah, Gusev, I was down on at first but came around to. That's the rumored deal and it would be amazing to sign him to it. ZAR would be on a two-year deal in my proposed scenario, so he's good for next year. Galchenyuk being pushed down to the third line would in a way help him not get a huge raise even if he clicks here, while he might like it here and find success as to want to re-sign here, he might not put up monster numbers playing alongside Sid or Geno as to command a huge raise, so I think he's safe. Kahun I think could play around the lineup and get chances with Sid or Geno, but he's in a similar situation being an RFA like ZAR and I think he gets slightly over a million next year, not much concern there. Forbort is more of a stop-gap, while Johnson obviously isn't good, I think there's a hole there without him. Forbort isn't amazing but he did play alongside Doughty showing his potential. I think Riikola would be better as our 7th dman, or either way we have at least some depth without our LHDs being only Dumo and Petterson basically. He can walk next year as Joseph and Addison work their way in.

I'd be more worried about McCann, Schultz, and Murray. Murray I think we stick with even if he has another bad year, but I think he would get around like $5.5? That'd be fair, maybe $6. Either way, that's where you spend whatever space you get from the cap raising and Forbort being out *first* along with the slight raises to everyone else. That does leave McCann and Schultz though. McCann I'm more worried about with a full season on Sid's wing he could end up producing a ton and command a huge raise. However, he is an RFA so we have something to work with there. Honestly, I think Schultz should be gone after next year. I'd been playing around with scenarios with possibly trading him proactively as to not lose him for nothing, but if he commands too big of a raise, I think it'd be better to get what you can from him now and let him walk, saying thanks for your service. We could then possibly seek Faulk in FA or someone else, and that's probably the biggest concern in regard to future cap and positional changes, everything else I see being covered.

Edit: Added this to the description as well, but I made a possible future outlook for this roster found at <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1336812">https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/1336812</a> where we can hand out some sizable raises and still be slightly under the cap. I gave everyone a good bump that I think should stay, but I did let Schultz walk and signed Faulk who's younger and from what I've seen, was rumored to make what Schultz is *now* on his next contract, but I gave him slightly more - whether we land him or not is another story, but it shows we can still spend a decent amount on a 2RHD. POJ comes in as the bottom pair LD for cheap. Addison and Blandisi can be scratches with Jarry also re-signed for WBS. I gave Kahun $1.6 mil on a two-year deal similar but greater than ZARs proposed deal here assuming he's slightly more skilled/higher cap next year. McCann, it depends on how well he does obviously, but being an RFA, I think $3.5 would be fair over 4 years. He could very well click with Sid and Guentzel, but I think his success would come from playing with them as opposed to Guentzel proving his worth by himself. Gave Murray $6 mil over five years until he's 30 basically, I think that's enough to bring him back at term. Galchenyuk gets a slight raise as I don't think he's going to do anything to command a HUGE raise and will work well on that third line. Thoughts on this? I think it works dcently well and this current roster is actually pretty forward-looking and doesn't straddle us too bad for next year by not having Johnson, Gudbranson, Rust, and Forbort's cap hits on the books.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 18, 2019 at 11:20 p.m.
Thread: Cup Number Six
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgfresh78</b></div><div>Switch Simon with ZAR and it’s literally perfect.</div></div>

I'm guessing you're saying that because you believe Simon is better and you'd like to keep him? All the more reason he should be the prospect included in the trade to make it realistic. Moreover, ZAR plays more of a fourth line role anyways and hasn't shown as much as Simon due to his injuries which while it makes his trade value lower than someone like Simon who played with Sid a sizeable portion of last year, it means he's open to show us more not that he's healthy.

I'm glad you like the rest though. I'm actually impressed with this one and how it could actually be a reality unlike others I've made or especially some of these outlandish ones on here. Not making an extraordinary amount of trades just to mess with the team. We're trading for a pick, doable. RFA rights, yup very possible. The least possible is the Johnson trade but Im convinced that's one of the very few plausible trades we can make and we all know Rust is going to be going with him probably looking at Tanevs cap hit.