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Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 14, 2020 at 4:21 p.m.
Thread: Flames next year
Flames MIGHT'VE been able to garner that level of return for Gio two years ago. A mid first and a B prospect is best case scenario now. Kylington isn't getting you a better return than Nate Schmidt. On his own, he might be worth a mid to late 2nd, early 3rd. He is likely part of a larger package if he is traded at all.

And looking at team needs, roster construction and where each team is in relation to the cap as well as where they are in their development curve, flip the teams each player is going to (and even then I don't see either team being interested unless Flames include a draft pick to incentive Ottawa to eat Gio's contract) Ottawa has the need for good, professional veterans to help mentor their young players but don't need to pay a premium to for that. Teams who are in a win now mode, aren't in a position to absorb Gio's cap hit let alone do so for what he will contribute. Flames aren't in a position to eat any of it. As such... I wish this would've been something they would've given thought to 2 years ago.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 8, 2020 at 11:33 p.m.
Thread: Ideas - Team Sweden Lite
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gmgb</b></div><div>I think NSH has to decline. They've shaken up their center depth enough, and given the question marks with their current lineup, trading an unprotected 1st for next season would be foolish. I know some are high on Pelletier, but I'm one of the doubters. I see him making the NHL, but not as a top six player.



This made me laugh, coming from someone who tried selling a middling ECHL goalie as "a blue chip goalie prospect". To a team that has Ingram and just drafted Askarov, no less!</div></div>

That's absolutely fair. (I still stand by Leafs fans thinking the rest of the league only exists to help them solve their self imposed cap issues) That said, Parsons was only in ECHL due to a ridiculous logjam of goalie depth in this organization and is more of an indictment of the Flames ineptitude with developing goalies than of the player. He has the pedigree and talent. With a team like NSH who can develop D and goaltenders, it would not shock me at all to see him flourish. I forgot about Askarov though.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 8, 2020 at 11:03 p.m.
Thread: Youth Movement
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CrazyK04</b></div><div>Saad is a top 6 winger with potential 60 point upside. Good for 20-25 goals every year. Not to mention his defensive ability. Think Marian Hossa but less flashy and offensive. Easily worth a late first and young winger.</div></div>

That may be what he's worth, but that's not the same as what you'll get. Teams don't line up and pay premium asset's to solve other teams cap issues for them. Maybe that's what they get for him but I'd be surprised. I'd be pissed if my teams gave that up for him. Good player, great dude, agree with your description of him. COVID economy, flat cap and that contract sucks. Just don't see it. I could see OTT MAYBE doing this. To bring in an effective pro and help them hit the cap floor. Even then... replace the first with a solid prospect.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 8, 2020 at 10:47 p.m.
Thread: Im a Canucks fan
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>I've seen this kind of muddled math before. Once the Baertschi and Eriksson contracts expire, you can't say "Well, this saves Arizona money because otherwise Arizona would be paying OEL" because at that point, Arizona still has OEL. It is true that Arizona would be saving $7 million over the next two years (only $600,000 this year) but then has five more years of OEL, who would still have a significant value for at least some of them.

The bottom line is that I don't think that Arizona is going to trade OEL in any deal that requires them to take back bad contracts. You can argue that they might trade him for Woo, Demko and next year's first, or maybe only one of the prospects plus the pick, but the Coyotes don't have to give OEL away AND take back garbage.</div></div>

Then there is zero chance they move him. They have to take on money. And they have a history and well as are prime candidates to take on contracts in which the cap his exceeds actual dollars owed. The reason the want out of OEL's contract IS the term, so if a few short term headaches save them money long term, then that's the play. Otherwise, they won't be able to GIVE the player away. Nobody is in a position to take that kind of money without receiving money in return. In my opinion, including Demko makes it an overpayment. ARI should take this a run.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 4, 2020 at 5:49 p.m.
Thread: Awesome Middle-Six
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MethodMan</b></div><div>Improving the middle 6 by aborting the top line doesn't make this better</div></div>

And swearing/insulting people doesn't make you intelligent nor does it encourage people to see your point of view. People skills clearly isn't your strong suit eh? I'd love to open up one of these threads involving the Flames and not see your ignorant hot taeks in the comments. Sadly, trolling is the only thing you seem to know how to do effectively.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Flames22</b></div><div>Well, the point of this ACGM is to highlight the solid middle-six that this team could have, that's where I spent most of my time. I just put in a top line RW that would work with cap. That being said, I think Virtanen would play a similar role to the one that Hudler played a couple of years ago. Maybe not the best player in the world, but will keep up with Gaudreau and Monahan/be a good complement.</div></div>

I'm not sure Virtanen has the same skillset as Hudler (lack creativity and vision) but may be a Ferland comparable. I'm not sure you'll have to trade for him though as the Canucks can't afford to qualify him so he may just become a UFA at which point they could acquire him on a "prove it" contract without expending assets. I'd also suggest maybe he stay to the bottom 6 until you see if the reputation of his work ethic is accurate or not. Definitely worth a look though!
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 4, 2020 at 5:36 p.m.
Thread: for the fun of it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MethodMan</b></div><div>Proof? Because the only quote I saw was from Russo saying the Wild wouldn't <strong>EVEN IF </strong>Calgary offered Monahan.</div></div>

Not reading the context and consistently missing the point seems to be a pattern with you eh? Friedman (and/or Johnston) said in on 960 last week. Regardless, it doesn't matter b/c the point remains the same as what you mentioned Russo has pointed out. The Wild aren't overly interested in Monahan. Doesn't make you any less wrong about Monahan being untouchable. Doesn't make you any less wrong about the unrealistic and illogical return you expect for Monahan (and/or Gaudreau for that matter.) Just because you don't agree with someone, or isn't what you personally want, doesn't make them wrong. GM's make crazy trades that don't make sense to approx. 50% of their fanbases all the time. I can also guarantee you get sh*t wrong all the time. Everyone does. Myself 100% included. The truth is, no one on here has a clue what any GM is thinking or going to do. It's for fun and to bounce ideas off of one another. Maybe try thinking about that before you feel entitled to belittle someone to make yourself feel smarter than you are. Or don't and continue to come across as an arrogant toe rag and alienate everyone around you.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 4, 2020 at 5:06 p.m.
Thread: for the fun of it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MethodMan</b></div><div>I'm using the most basic of logic, it's really sad that people see names in quotes from reporters and don't actually take a second to comprehend what was actually said.

Current reporting isn't suggesting this is a possibility at all, in fact everything suggests the contrary. I broke Russo's quote down the last time I saw a Monahan/Dumba trade. He essentially states the Flames showed interest in Dumba but the Wild weren't interested and probably wouldn't even do it if Monahan was on the table, which insinuated that they simply don't want to make a deal with Calgary (my guess is due to bad blood from the 2019 deadline and the Backlund/Dumba injuries). Both Friedman and LeBrun have said that the Flames are listening to offers on Monahan and Gaudreau, but not shopping them.

Also, the FLames are trying to contend, everyone always talks about center ice being the most important position for winning, so what logical sense does it makes to trade your #1C for a defenseman when your other options for #1C are Lindholm who has never been an everyday center and even says says he is better and enjoys it more on the wing or Backlund who in an ideal world would be used as an elite 3C, because he is elite defensively but only a 40-50 point center.

So please, give some form of even semi-intelligent logic that says trading Monahan for a defenseman makes a lick of sense for Calgary. Don't worry, I won't wait because you can't.</div></div>


This is not correct or accurate. Considering the reports that is exactly what the Flames offered but the Wild is holding off as they aren't enamored with Monahan and want to see if they can do better. Regardless of your man crush on Monahan and Gaudreau, doesn't make the unmovable. We can agree Dumba is fantastic but that's about it. Brodie, Barrie &amp; Vatanen are completely different defensemen that bring completely different elements in their games. The Flames already are constructed with soft, slightly above average skilled, average to below average sized, 1 dimensional players. So saying they are available is moot as that's not what they need. If mediocrity is your goal, sure, bring one of them in and get ready to draft 15-20th again next year. As far as trading Monahan creating a hole; he is a great human and decent player but he's ideally suited as a 2C with strong, playmaking line mates who don't depend on him to drive play. The assertion the only way they move him is if it is the same deal they are upgrading him is ludicrous in mind numbing shortsighted. Think what you want but as it has never happened consider the logic. 1: No one is lining up to trade a clear cut upgrade on him. Name one player that is rumored to be available. No one has that kind of depth (outside of CGY who has an upgrade internally in Lindholm) that they are willing to part with, even if they did, why the hell would they want to part with the upgrade only to replace him with the lesser version they presumably already have in their system. It's a circular and nonsensical argument. 2: WTF are they going to offer that would entice another team to trade away a legit, top tier #1C. Name 5 in the last ten years that have been traded. The only legitimate way to acquire one is Free Agency (Very Rare) or Draft One (you don't find many outside the top 10 and if you do, the odds are legitimately 1/9500 (once or twice every ten years.)

So after the amount of threads I've seen you sh*t all over other people's ideas because your feelings get hurt about the thought of trading your favorite players because of whatever excuses you make for them re: their lack of performance, make try a little self awareness and use some logic (heaven forbid do some damn research) instead of making stupid comments in a undeserved condescending tone. Monahan isn't untouchable. Neither is Gaudreau. Stop embarrassing the rest of this fanbase by acting like a Leafs fan.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 4, 2020 at 11:57 a.m.
Thread: Kuemper Dumba Granlund
Not MIN or ARI go for this.

MIN fanbase (much like CGY's) seems to have convinced themselves that making the playoffs is the standard of success they want to achieve and therefore are more concerned about bolstering their roster this year and less worried about prospects or long term success. I'm not sure the value is there regardless. It's close. Another mid round pick or rights to an RFA like Kylington and you're probably there. That said, I don't believe MIN is enamored with Monahan and believe they can do better.

No way ARI agrees. They believe Kuemper alone is worth a 1st + (not imo but I'm sure there's a GM out there who is willing to pay it to save their own skin) so I don't see them also giving up Fischer as well. Other teams can offer a better package.

Granlund better not be getting paid $4.5 mill with any sort of term. He's steadily regressed the last two years and in this economic climate... if he wants anything more than 2 years at 2.5 teams should pass.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 2, 2020 at 5:21 p.m.
Thread: Building through UFA
This would be an incredibly underwhelming offseason. As such, this is likely the most realistic scenario I have seen on this site pertaining to this team. I suspect we see something similar occurring, give or take a few semantics.

I doubt it's Hall but I could see an overpriced W come in (ala Hoffman) and continuing the disappointment.

For all the talk of shaking up this "core", MAYBE one of them is dealt. They will then pontificate about how hard it is to make deals in this league and blame the cap. They've already begun laying the groundwork for the spin job on this when Tre came out yesterday and stating change for the sake of change.... blah blah blah excuses excuses excuses.

Add to that the leaked info to insiders about the mutual desire to have Brodie &amp; Talbot return. The predictable spin obviously being they will probably come "runner up" for Markstrom but simultaneously they "got their guy". I could absolutely see them trying to do too much as a result of taking (WAY) too long to make a decision on all the balls they have in the air and losing out on a more cost effective Talbot then ending up overpaying for Holtby or Khudobin. As such we are likely to see a similar iteration to this years team next year only an overpriced Brodie and then listen to more bull**** about how "tight" this group is, how much they've learned and how close they were (they weren't. By a significant margin) to advancing and further extending the long era of mediocrity this team has been know for for 16 years.

The only move I don't see happening, in addition to the Hall signing is I don't see them trading Rittich. I would wager your contract projections are pretty damn close.

For what its worth, If it's a choice between seeing what I just described and this proposal: I take this proposal and run. A slight shift of strength in the roster (which will likely have them still finishing 7th or 8th and get bounced in the first round again) but with the caveat there is at least asset acquisition so they can restock the prospect pool faster.
Forum: Armchair-GMOct. 1, 2020 at 10:19 p.m.