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Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 25, 2018 at 6:15 p.m.
Thread: Pacioretty
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>Burakovsky was 124th among forwards with at least 40 games played in goals per sixty minutes of ice time (<a href="www.nhl.com/stats/player?report=skaterscoring&amp;reportType=season&amp;seasonFrom=20172018&amp;seasonTo=20172018&amp;gameType=2&amp;position=F&amp;filter=gamesPlayed,gte,40&amp;filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&amp;sort=goalsPer60Minutes">www.nhl.com/stats/player?report=skaterscoring&amp;reportType=season&amp;seasonFrom=20172018&amp;seasonTo=20172018&amp;gameType=2&amp;position=F&amp;filter=gamesPlayed,gte,40&amp;filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&amp;sort=goalsPer60Minutes</a>) and he is 23 years old.

Pacioretty was 161st (<a href="http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?report=skaterscoring&amp;reportType=season&amp;seasonFrom=20172018&amp;seasonTo=20172018&amp;gameType=2&amp;position=F&amp;filter=gamesPlayed,gte,40&amp;filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&amp;sort=goalsPer60Minutes" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">http://www.nhl.com/stats/player?report=skaterscoring&amp;reportType=season&amp;seasonFrom=20172018&amp;seasonTo=20172018&amp;gameType=2&amp;position=F&amp;filter=gamesPlayed,gte,40&amp;filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&amp;sort=goalsPer60Minutes</a>).

So you want to trade a middling 2nd line goal scorer for a poor one who's older, but won't be around as long, and also throw in a first round pick, a 2nd round pick, and a prospect?

The Caps are good enough to win the Cup as is. If they make trades, it's to stay this good for longer. I know there are teams that overpay to get veteran leadership, but they aren't usually teams that just won the Cup. Those teams get to be on the other side of this kind of deal. The Caps have a #1 goalie, a future #1 goalie, three #1 defensemen, two #1 centers, and a #1 wing on each side. They could logically trade Niskanen for a surefire future #1 defenseman plus picks and prospects. They could trade Wilson for a first pick, if they aren't getting anywhere on salary negotiations, and replace him with a grinder off waivers in training camp, and Ovechkin and Kuznetsov would still be a solid first line. There are definitely possibilities to explore for trades with the Caps.

The way to magically turn Burakovsky into a thirty goal scorer is to quit healthy scratching him and just play him on Nick Backstrom's left or on a line with Ovechkin and Kuznetsov for one year. Boom. Thirty goals. Done. Still got your first pick, and have RFA rights to a thirty goal scorer, whom you can then trade for another first pick, after you sign Pacioretty as a UFA, if you still think he's a better fit.

He isn't though. Pacioretty had 17 goals last year. Burakovsky got that as an NHL rookie and then ran into a Trotz ceiling. If he plays 20 minutes a night for 82 games, Burakovsky is a 20 goal scorer next year. Pacioretty's 20 goal scoring days might start again, or they might be over. The above trade is worse, on paper, than Forsberg for Erat, even before you start adding picks and prospects to the wrong side of it.</div></div>

You can’t use one season of stats to compare players. Paciorettys worst season in his career and your trying to say that a 23 year old player is better then him because f a season where he played 63 games.

And your actually wrong, Pacioretty has never been a 20 goal scorer. Never in his career has he finished with between 20-29 goals in a season.

He is a 30 goal scorer.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2018 at 11:55 a.m.
Thread: take a chance and trade at deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>skriko</b></div><div>you dont understand hockey do yah ??,,, anybody that has ever played knows you make the playoffs at all cost</div></div>

That is the mentality that gets you finishing 7-9th every year. Ask NYR why they traded MCDonagh, Miller, Stepan the past couple years for picks and prospects? Not to make the playoffs the next year. How about STL trading Stastny at last years TDL?


Teams say they are trying to make the playoffs all the time because they have to but in reality they purposefully sabotage their team in order to assure they finish at the bottom of the rankings in order to get a top end talent in the draft which will lead them to multiple playoff births in the future. Sacrifice 1-2 years in order to be a good team for the following 10 years afterwards.

Edit: This is also a bad trade. Hudon had more points as a rookie than Ryan did last year and is way cheaper. Maybe you should ask yourself if you know how hockey works before blasting others.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 19, 2018 at 11:53 a.m.
Thread: take a chance and trade at deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>skriko</b></div><div>you dont understand hockey do yah ??,,, anybody that has ever played knows you make the playoffs at all cost</div></div>

i agree the players might think that way but players don't make management/future decisions for the team. Patch is going to be gone before the season or in a worst case scenario the deadline so we don't lose him for nothing, Hudon has potential and Ryan has nothing. The only way Ryan should come here is with picks as a cap dump from Ottawa that might help them and another team get a trade for Karlsson done. We will be looking at the standings from the bottom so there will be no need for a push for the playoffs. I think GOLDENDELICIOS has a good understanding of this.