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Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 17 at 8:54 a.m.
Thread: Oilers 24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>Another EDM AGM, another host of contract overpayments. Find me another competitive team that gives Holloway 1.6mil or Broberg 1.2mil before they've even established themselves. I'm pretty confident that maximum any competent management team gets them at 900k to 1mil for 2 years (assuming Broberg sees a LD spot more available than last year). Beyond that, you can definitely save an extra 1 to 2mil on those Desharnais, Pickard, Lavoie, Janmark, and Carrick contracts. Lastly, while I like Debrusk as a target, I don't give him more than 5 years of term.</div></div>

This☝️ Oilers fans are some of the most knowledgeable hockey fans but wow! Why would you give money away, I count 6 overpaid players.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 17 at 8:50 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 1:30 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2023 at 12:38 a.m.
Thread: Not Popular
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>a1979</b></div><div>Yes, 50.00 GF% is what is stated in the stats I presented to you. And a 50% goal share is not elite in any way, regardless of how good or bad the team you are playing on is. Elite players put up strong numbers regardless of their situation. Karlsson, at one point, was one of the best (if not the best) of his generation and I won't deny that.

Between 2020-2021 through 2022-2023, of d-men of played 500+ minutes, Karlsson ranks 91st in CF%, 160th in GF%, 99th in xGF%, 72nd in SCF%, and 78th in HCDF%. Do those numbers scream elite to you? They don't scream top pairing d-man to me. Nor do they scream $11.5 million.

So, lets compare those 5v5 rankings to Bouchard's over the same time period:

Between 2020-2021 through 2022-2023, Bouchard ranks 13th in CF%, 101st in GF%, 19th in xGF%, 34th in SCF%, and 42nd in HDCF% - all of which are better than Karlsson's numbers.

Bouchard puts up strong 5v5 numbers and strong powerplay numbers.

I do know what kind of defenseman Bouchard is, he is extremely comparable to Stanley Cup winning d-man, Alex Pietrangelo (according to JFresh, his closest comparable player based on advanced metrics).

Regardless of his Norris, despite him playing on a bad San Jose Sharks team, Erik Karlsson is not the defenseman that the Oilers need to get them over the hump. Goalscoring is not an issue with this roster, and with Karlssons one dimensional, pure offence game, I don't see how he would solve the Oilers greatest issue. That being, defensive zone coverage, limiting chances, and keeping goals against down.</div></div>

This is the difference between analytics and having a brain, if you think Bouchard is better than Pietrangelo you have absolutely no clue about the game of hockey.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 27, 2023 at 12:36 a.m.
Thread: Not Popular
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Bouchard broke out at the end of the year and in the playoffs. 5v5 scoring rate over the last 19 regular season games was better than Karlssons, and his PP scoring rates were off the charts. That carried over into the playoffs.

His full season on ice stats like xGF% Rel, SCF% Rel and HDCF% Rel were all better than Karlsson last year. He didn't add as much on the offensive side as EK but his defensive contributions more than made up for it.

Plus, he'll be under $4M next year and likely the year after, if the Miller &amp; Byram contracts serve as comparables. That's cheaper than EK could possibly be without getting a 3rd team involved, which is an expensive proposition. Why spend assets bringing in a 33 year old Karlsson (who will only decline over the next 4 years) when they already have an equivalent 23 year old player on the roster?</div></div>


Bouchard is going to end up with a Nurse type contract and I can’t believe people can’t see this.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 21, 2023 at 3:11 a.m.
Thread: Not Popular
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>a1979</b></div><div>A d-man putting up 100 points is impressive, but the Norris is meant to go to the best all-around defenseman and that is not what EK was or is...not even close. EK is essentially a forward player defence.

If you want to talk 5v5 metrics...lets look at the stats:

Bouchard in 22-23: 56.95 CF%, 53.66 GF%, 57,68 xGF%, 58.24 SCF%, 59.61 HDCF%.
Karlsson in 22-23: 53.59 CF%, 50.00 GF%, 53.46 xGF%, 54.61 SCF%, 55.23 HDCF%.

Simply put, Bouchard is superior in every single advanced metric. Yes, Bouchard played fewer minutes but he is only 23 years old and isn't even in his prime, whereas Karlsson is years removed from his prime.

Also, Bouchard only played with Ekholm for the last couple months of the regular season. He played the majority of his minutes this past season with Broberg and Kulak (prior to the TDL).

Mike Grier has already said that he is not willing to retain as much money on an EK trade as you've proposed in this thread...so getting him on the books for $6 million is likely impossible.

Thus, is EK really cheaper? And even if he is, EK is going to be 37 years old when that contract ends. Is an $8-9 million (assuming ~30% retention of EK's salary) 37 year old pure offensive d-man going to help McDavid and Draisaitl stay or win a cup? Nope.

Take a look at that right hand side of the Oilers defence that you've proposed here. Karlsson, Ceci, and Desharnais. That is easily bottom 10 in the league for right hand d-men depth.

Bouchard isn't going to the reason as to why McDrai leave or not. And even if they did leave, I would rather have a young d-man in Bouchard on the team to rebuild with than a washed up, injury prone d-man in Karlsson.</div></div>


Nice try.

Karlsson had a 50% goal share 5v5

He literally pushes the river and scores at a ridiculous rate this isn’t a lucky year thing either, in the last 5 plus season his 5 on 5 numbers blow other Dman out of the water.
Bouchard has had 2 months of a season of PP time and is sheltered huge plus sheltered with another Dman who’s better defensively than he is.
Fact is you have zero idea what kind of defensemen Bouchard actually is.
Not to mention, but EK plays on a terrible team, Bouchard is run out with 97 or 29 and the Oilers are a SC contending team.
Also, it doesn’t matter that Bouchard is 21-22-23-24-25 the Oilers are down to 2-3 years, if they don’t win a cup in that window it won’t matter who the defender is.
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 18, 2023 at 1:00 p.m.
Thread: Not Popular
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>a1979</b></div><div>Even if Bouchard's contract is in the 8-9 million range, the cap is going to be going up significantly in the next 2-3 seasons. Karlsson put up one strong offensive season (despite 4+ down years), it's highly unlikely he puts up those totals again. And even if he put up those totals again, it's not really what the Oilers need. They were 1st in GF this year, and Karlsson brings nothing more to the table defensively than Bouchard does. You're essentially giving up one of the best up-and-coming young d-men in the league for an 33 year old injury prone d-man who just had an outlier year.</div></div>

Except a Norris….

Listen, 5v5 EK blows Bouchard out of the water, go look at EK on ice with every line then go look at what he was when he wasn’t on the ice, it’s like SJ iced 2 different teams.
Defensively EK is better and Offensively he’s better.
Not to mention Bouchard is sheltered with a superior partner.

You can have EK for far cheaper, giving the Oilers more money to build a deeper team. Lock another 9M D-man on the roster and see what happens if he struggles.
Bye-bye McDavid bye-bye Draisaitl
Forum: Armchair-GMJul. 12, 2023 at 4:33 p.m.
Thread: Konecny
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>I suppose I should've specified that it's the cap and timing that limits it, not that Pesce is lacking. Even adding the extra 750k in difference between Pesce and Ceci really limits the team's ability to ice a mostly-full roster. For me, it's best to focus on getting the RFAs locked up without going too tight to the cap. Bouchard 3 * 1, McLeod 1.75 * 2, and Lavoie 775k * 2 should leave them around 1.6mil to add a proper 4C and still have not be too tight to the cap with a 22-man roster. At the deadline once some cap space has been accrued through the season, then I could see them pursuing Pesce for a package like this. The problem is that I think Carolina is going to move him well before then.

As for your specific point about any of Broberg, Holloway, or Lavoie going out to "balance the numbers", unless you're intending to ice a 20 or 21-man roster, that's not going to save you much of anything.</div></div>

Now that makes sense!
Cheers mate.