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Armchair-GM
4 hours ago
Thread:
Youth and Compete
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>I get what you are saying but I'm just telling you how it really works.
1st year they just don't do this.
Look at DOC first real year here. 46 games last year. He had 25.6 minutes in PK time.
That isn't because there were no penalties it's because they don't put 1st year players on the PK unless they have to.
Baring injury, someone else will most likely fill that last PK role, at least until the 2nd half of the year. That's what history tells us.
They want younger players to focus on other things. Learn where to be, play off the puck, how to adjust to the speed of the game.
Even with Poulin being in the system so long, he's had so little time at the NHL level. In two years he doesn't even have 50 minutes of ice time.
That's not going to make them want to put him on the PK.</div></div>
Blueger was our top PKer in his first full season. It's more common for defensemen to get time, like Marino and to a lesser extent Shea. Both Gruden and St Ivany had decent PK time in their NHL stints this year. There have been instances throughout Sully's tenure where rookies have had a role on the PK. I'm sure I can find more if I go back further, but that becomes less relevant. And like I said, we still have Rust (or Nieto if he's healthy) for that last spot if they don't want to have rookies on the PK.
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Armchair-GM
11 hours ago
Thread:
Crosby and Malkin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wreckless</b></div><div>Savard retires before Letang.
Eventually Reinbacher, Mailloux, and Letang form our right side D.
Defensemen get injured also, you need depth.
“Just cuz he’s French Canadian”…Letang’s deepest bond to anyone outside of the Penguins organization is with Kent Hughes.
And it’s way deeper with Hughes than with Dubas or new ownership. Just saying…</div></div>
Eventually being the keyword. Montreal has a lot of defensemen at or near NHL caliber. There's probably going to be time where you have to choose between keeping someone NHL ready in the AHL or lose a good player on waivers.
You focused a lot on Hughes vs Dubas when the real bonds within the Pens are with Crosby and Malkin. Is Hughes important enough to Tanger to break those three up? I don't think so.
And that doesn't change the fact that this trade isn't in the best interest of the Penguins.
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Armchair-GM
12 hours ago
Thread:
Crosby and Malkin
Letang will be 41 when that contract expires. Does he fit the Habs timeline for 4 more years, or would he prevent Reinbacher or Mailloux from being in the NHL when they're ready?
As for the Penguins' side, No. They're not done trying to contend, and neither Jordan nor Harris make up for the loss of Letang. Retaining $3M for 4 years also isn't appealing. Also, just because he's French Canadian doesn't mean he'd waive his NMC for Montreal. I don't think any of Sid, Geno, or Letang have interest in playing for a different NHL team. Ever.
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Armchair-GM
12 hours ago
Thread:
24-25 Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kous</b></div><div>When you factor in that Mitch is just hitting his prime now and can be locked up for another 8 years for a total of 9 I would say yes.
The Pens are going to need to rebuild, retool what ever you want to call it very soon.
Dubas make a mistake with the Karlson trade so he will need to do something to try and make the playoffs</div></div>
There's no guarantee Marner sticks in Pittsburgh long-term. I actually think he won't if he comes here. The Pens would be trading their captain, a top 5 NHL player of all time, who is still one of the NHL's best at the age of 36, plus a 1st and their top prospect for a guy who isn't guaranteed to stay for longer than a year. Surely that would help the rebuild.
Because Marner won't do that. Acquiring him takes valuable assets away from that rebuild, and then gives us a player that is good enough to keep us away from the best picks but not good enough to turn what the Pens are going to be in a few years into a playoff team. We have nothing. No blue-chip prospects, no young, homegrown talent. Just Marner and a bunch of holdovers that aren't young enough, good enough, or valueable enough to get assets for. Mediocre: the worst thing a professional sports team can be. Too good to rebuild, to bad to contend and stuck there.
Then there's the issue that our center depth sucks. Pens fans complained about Malkin as much as Leafs fans complain about Tavares. I think he's still good enough, especially with good wingers. Then below Geno on the depth chart is Lars Eller, Noel Acciari, and a couple guys with limited/no NHL experience. Real contender there, that Eller might be there 2C.
I don't think Karlsson was a mistake. There's still time for him to help right the ship, especially with Todd Rierdan out and the Pens with some youth and cap space to work with. This trade immediately sets that ship on fire and starts a city-wide mutiny. If you think there is a single thing it does that is in Pittsburgh's best interest, you're not thinking.
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Armchair-GM
14 hours ago
Thread:
24-25 Leafs
So let me get this straight. You think the Penguins are going to move <em>Sidney Crosby</em>, and they are going to <em>add</em> to do it? The average Marner ACGM has him being traded for significanty less than <em>just Crosby</em>. And you expect us to add our top prospect and a 1st?
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Armchair-GM
15 hours ago
Thread:
Kings
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Montreal1st</b></div><div>not over the cap</div></div>
I didn't notice, since you still have it set to this year's salary cap. Either way, that leaves us with a 21 man roster, overpays on Bemstrom, Puustinen, POJ, and Dumba, and a team that isn't significantly better than 2023-24.
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Armchair-GM
15 hours ago
Thread:
Kings
$3M over the cap to take on PLD's albatross of a contract. He was demoted to the 4th line at times, and if he doesn't return to form in a huge way, he's not going to make this team better.
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Armchair-GM
17 hours ago
Thread:
Youth and Compete
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>53.1 on 5v5. 52% on the year.
anyway historically he's a good faceoff guy. Both in shorthand and 5v5 play.
Not sure they really want Rust on the PK anymore. Smith is a different story if he's still here.
Anyway there is only 1 spot on the PK left. I don't think they want to weigh guys down with the pk who are just getting their feet wet. It is what it is.</div></div>
I'd prefer not to have Rust on the PK anymore either, which is why I'd prefer to have Poulin or Ponomarev on it. But that lets us try Poulin or Ponomarev on the PK, and if they don't work out, we have Rust to fall back on. Given how little ice time anyone young other than DOC had gotten this year, I think giving them PK time would be a good test of their worth at the NHL level, that they can handle a bigger role. I don't see it as a way to weigh them down. I see it as a way for them to prove themselves and push them to be better NHL players.
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Armchair-GM
18 hours ago
Thread:
pit competitive
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fil97</b></div><div>I'd tend to agree with you. but tell me this isn't a much much improved team in respect of what we had last year.
(we have Blomqvist over murashov either way and we signed a much better player in free agency without giving up assets)</div></div>
I think it would depend whether it's a better team or not. On paper, we're better. But we were also better on paper this year compared to last, and that didn't end up being the case.
There's still a lot of uncertainty. If Reinhart doesn't maintain his career level away from Florida, that's another big contract on a player that isn't living up to lofty expectations. If Yager doesn't impress, the best option to replace him with got traded away as a sweetener in a deal I think has a high chance of blowing up in our face.
Poor asset management for the sake of making the team better is risky. Every move is a bet, and this would be betting that the cap space for Reinhart is worth giving up good assets for pennies on the dollar. Front offices have information we don't, so I find it hard to believe 31 other NHL teams would look at Rakell and conclude that the Pens would have to add value to move him.
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Armchair-GM
18 hours ago
Thread:
Youth and Compete
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>You need to win on the dot to be a PK center. Both Acciari and Eller are good faceoff men. This is why they won't let a younger player do that. You lose on the dot, the puck stays in your end. You win you get a clear and time off the clock. They aren't going to take guys who are good on the dot and sit them for younger players.
This is why I say they probably keep both even though they should move 1. Those were 2 of the only guys who really stood out in the bottom 6. All the 4th line wingers were just there. They didn't do anything.
The 3rd line wingers rotated and were here and there. Mainly Smith and Rakell who did a little time there and DOC. You take those 3 off the 3rd line and take way Eller and Acciari and there is nothing there of any value left in the bottom 6 last year.
While a younger player might get the winger role on the PK, I doubt they are getting center role. My guess is they will put DOC out there on one of them as he had the role this year. The other will probably go to Bemstrom if he is a 4th liner. Which he probably will be if they play the youth at 3C and 3RW. So no I don't see them playing them. You have 3 of those forward roles basically set already.
Your 4th line next year probably Bemstrom, Eller, Acciari. 3rd line DOC, ?, ? They will let players try to earn those spots I think. Not rely on them for defense so much, or to PK and just let them try to generate more offense. You have to not flood their plate with responsibility and let them grow.</div></div>
Eller lost more faceoffs on the penalty kill than he won, per Evolving Hockey. And if you take my argument to mean that the young guys will steal our PK spots from Eller and Acciari, you aren't listening. If it were up to me, we'd run Eller/DOC on the top unit, and Acciari and one of Poulin, Ponomarev, or Rust on the 2nd one. Bemstrom never PKed for us. That doesn't mean he won't if he sticks around, but it means the coaches didn't expect him to PK better than Rust, Smith, or Carter this year.
The guys that stood out in the bottom 6 to me were DOC, Eller, and after a while Puustinen. Acciari struggled heavily this year, to the point that I wouldn't include him in any list of notable bottom 6 players. He was solid on the PK and pretty disappointing elsewhere. I expect Smith to be gone and Rakell to be a consistent 2nd liner next season: Bunting-Malkin-Rakell was great down the stretch.
Best-case scenario IMO is a 3rd line of DOC, Puustinen, and either a free agent in the short term or whoever wins the spot between Poulin/Ponomarev. Yager could get his 9 games as well. Give that kid line an opportunity to make an impact, see if they can make a dent in our lackluster rush offense. with
That leaves a 4th line of Eller, Acciari, and whoever else wins a spot. Neither Bemstrom nor Puljujarvi are remarkable options. I wouldn't mind if they were our 13th/14th forwards. I'd prefer another younger guy whose ceiling isn't mediocre 4th liner. Maybe if Poulin doesn't stick at 3C, he does at 4LW. No reason that spot can't be earned as well.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 9:30 p.m.
Thread:
Youth and Compete
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>Gruden will be in the AHL, it doesn't matter if you agree that's where he will be, same is true on Puljujarvi unless claimed off waivers.
He's had his last chance really. He didn't do anything with it.
Eller/Acciari is more about how they view the PK. They could both stay on the 4th line, which is going to be a defensive line one way or another. It also helps them with faceoffs.
I think the penguins spots for youth are 3C and 3RW.
They aren't going to ask them to PK. So you need 2 centers who can do that.
Which is why I say they may keep both, but realistically they should probably ship one out... not saying they will. But they should</div></div>
I'm not saying for sure who will and won't be in the NHL next year. The whole point of my first reply is that I thought they had quite a few options to choose from. I then went to bat for guys that I thought passed the eye test. Every year there are guys that surprise, that have a meteoric rise or dramatic fall. I'm just keeping my options open.
Even if I thought Puljujarvi showed nothing, that actually makes him better than our usual 4th line options last year. And that was after working his way back from a major surgery.
I'm fairly certain both Gruden and Poulin were PKers in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, and Ponomarev's two way game is one of the highlights of his game. Hell, in his NHL stint, Gruden killed penalties. Why do you assume none of those guys would be PKers if they made the NHL roster?
Thus, both Poulin and Ponomarev can play center and kill penalties, so we would have two guys who fill that niche. More if we put Acciari or Poulin on the wing (which we definitely should for Acciari if we keep him anyway).
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 9:10 p.m.
Thread:
pit competitive
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>fil97</b></div><div>I know murashov is a tough loss, I'm going all in on Blomqvist... and I like puusty but he is replaceable also koivunen is looking really solid
but that rakell contract at the moment seems very hard to trade, and if Dubas doesn't manage we need a huge bounce back season from him.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vols94</b></div><div>4x5M for a 37 pts player at 30. He's not getting better or younger. so yeah he's a cap dump.</div></div>
Rakell isn't playing at the World Invitational over injury issues. I'm willing to bet it was the one that sidelined him in Nov-Dec and he's been playing through it for months. He comes back healthy and suddenly that trade looks Hextallian. And while Puustinen is replaceable, I'm not certain anyone we have is going to slot in as effectively as Puusty, or anyone we could get on the market would be available at as low of a cap hit Puusty would get.
"Lets trade a top 6 winger, a cheap middle 6 winger when we have suspect depth, and a goalie prospect with potential for nothing because that top 6 winger had one bad year due to injuries!" Masterful gambit, sir.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 8:59 p.m.
Thread:
Youth and Compete
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>Those aren't hard decisions.
Nieto is probably perm LTIR, he never came back last year off what was suppose to be an 8 week injury.
Gruden is pure AHL fodder
Pool party just got what is probably his last chance at the NHL level. He did about as good as anyone expected at this point. Doubtful he returns to the penguins AHL for him if not stay in europe.
Brenstrom will probably be a 13-14th guy if the youth play, otherwise he'll be a 4th liner.
Acciari either stays or is traded and Eller becomes the 4C.</div></div>
We don't know for sure about Nieto
I disagree on Gruden. I thought he was solid and added a physical element we don't really have.
Puljujarvi has another year on his contract and played with a lot more energy than our 4th line usually did this season.
I agree with Bemstrom, but we hold his RFA rights.
And if Eller/Acciari both stay and are then outplayed by young guys? I think Eller stays, but if Acciari isn't traded (assuming anyone wants him) I'd rather want some youth and speed if he doesn't bounce back.
And that doesn't address any of the guys that actually have any potential.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 7:14 p.m.
Thread:
pit competitive
I'm not willing to give up Puustinen and Murashov to subtract from the roster. I like the McNabb idea, though.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 3:02 p.m.
Thread:
Youth and Compete
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PenaFanatic</b></div><div>Thats an interesting take and one I should maybe consider with Poulin as well with the talent he was playing with... I think that is fair. I did think about Koivunen but Id like to see him in AHL for a little longer maybe half a season? Plus with new changes in AHL system coming might do some help but OEL would look pretty sweet in a Pens jersey</div></div>
I understand the hesitation with Koivunen. Shaping the bottom 6 is an interesting proposal IMO, since we have a lot of guys that I think are good enough to be NHL players (or at least stay out of the AHL consistently) but only DOC, Eller, and Puustinen with guaranteed roster spots. Any of Yager, Ponomarev, Poulin, Koivunen are likely to fight for a roster spot. But we have to decide what to do with Acciari, Nieto, Bemstrom, Puljujarvi, maybe Gruden. That's before any trades or UFA signings. A lot of competition for not a lot of spots.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 2:55 p.m.
Thread:
Rossi and Gustavsson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Smitty426</b></div><div>I like OC not sure he's worth the 2nd though</div></div>
From a Pens' fan, I think the value is close, but a 2nd is just a little expensive for his services unless he takes a step forward.
I'm a big believer in him, though. Even where he's at now, he scored 16 goals and 33 points, and was an excellent PKer.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 2:42 p.m.
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Youth and Compete
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PenaFanatic</b></div><div>I deleted some ideas I had I thought maybe Kylington as a guy to bring in. I also debated the idea of Chandler Stevenson but that is also why I left some cap space maybe comes via a trade another idea debated for the bottom 6 Lindholm or Roslovic. I think Pens will give Ponomarev a chance I don't think Poulin makes team I think he is not NHL caliber. Any other ideas to bottom 6?</div></div>
I actually thought Poulin looked good during his stint in the NHL. We played with a 4th line of Gruden-Poulin-Puljujarvi for all of one game and it looked like the injection of speed, grit, and youth that we'd been missing, and then we never saw it again. I think Yager gets his 9 games, and maybe stick around if he does well in them. Koivunen was a top Liiga scorer as well, and could make the team as well.
Between Stephenson, Lindholm, and Roslovic, I'd take Ross. I think both Stephenson and Lindholm would ask for a longer term deal, wheras Roslovic would be the most likely to take less term. In 2-3 years, one of Yager, Poulin, or Ponomarev should be a middle 6 C, and we don't need a longer-term veteran in their way.
On the back end, Dillon or Ekman-Larsson are decent bets on a short term deal to see if they can keep up their defensive play from this season. Winnipeg's defensive collapse vs the Avs makes me lean towards betting on OEL keeping up his renaissance for a couple more years, but there still is the risk that it was a product of Florida's system being excellent.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 12:52 p.m.
Thread:
Youth and Compete
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMDannyB</b></div><div>U really think the Kings wouldn’t match that?</div></div>
I think they would if they could. They've got a lot of contracts coming off the books and about $21M to figure that out. That means a big raise for Byfield, replacements/re-signings for Arvidsson and Roy, and figuring out their goaltending again. How much space are they going to be left with for giving Turcotte over $1M if he's not even become an NHL regular? I agree that I think they'll find a way, but I could see teams trying to take a swing at him and see if they can't nickel and dime Turcotte out of LA.
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 12:39 p.m.
Thread:
Youth and Compete
The ideas here aren't bad, but I'd like to see a little more oomph, so to speak. I agree with you that the bottom 6 is boom or bust, and I'd like a little more certainty there. I'd also want to take a shot at an upgrade to the LHD. POJ looked better when the team got hot down the stretch and I think Valimaki is underrated, but we have the cap space here to improve the roster. Why not bring in a 3C or 2LD on a short term deal?
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Armchair-GM
Yesterday at 9:12 a.m.
Thread:
Offseason
Ah, yes, Minnesota will definitely take on one of the largest cap hits in the league while still dealing with the Parise/Suter buyouts. Totally.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 1:38 p.m.
Thread:
Stamkos to PIT
I honestly disagree that this looks like a playoff team with a new coach. We didn't really address the rosters' lack of depth.
The bottom 6 is full of unknowns but would be good enough if enough of DOC, Puusty, Poulin, and Ponomarev take a step forward. I don't think KK is the guy to make up the difference if they don't.
IMO, we need an upgrade at LHD this season. Graves hasn't worked well enough with either EK or Letang, and while POJ looked better during our win streak, he's not good enough defensively to fill the role we need him to.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:50 a.m.
Thread:
Dubas
Are you ok?
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:49 a.m.
Thread:
Another Season
I can definitely see a Pettersson trade if the Pens are out of it at the deadline. The Leafs would probably have to add more to the deal, probably a young-ish bottom 6/bottom pair guy. I wouldn't mind giving Robertson a shot if he's still kicking around in Toronto's system by then.
Before the Pens went on their hot streak after the deadline, the most common Pettersson trade proposal was to NJ for a 1st and Kevin Bahl, I think without retention.
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Armchair-GM
Wed. at 12:59 p.m.
Thread:
Doing All 32 Teams Realistic Offseasons Pens
I'd be ecstatic if Duchene comes to Pittsburgh, especially for that low of a cap hit, but I don't think it's all that realistic. Wouldn't mind some more of our young guys getting a shot or an upgrade on the LHD either.
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Armchair-GM
Wed. at 11:31 a.m.
Thread:
change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>maxdomiundies</b></div><div>because they can get a franchise player</div></div>
The way I see it, Beniers is the first guy Seattle ever drafted and has a chance to develop into a franchise player. They have some good young players in their system: Shane Wright, Ryker Evans, Eduard Sale, Jagger Firkus, David Goyette, Lucas Dragicevic. It's too early to tell how well Seattle's guys end up being, but early returns look promising. Beniers fits the timeline of those guys better than Marner.
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