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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 23, 2020 at 5:37 p.m.
Thread: priorities
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>major_hassle</b></div><div>interesting - would love to hear from other wings fans given I think gaudette's probably worth more than dipietro.

lets put it this way: would gladly swap gaudette for dipietro in that trade.</div></div>

The rationale behind requesting the goalie is based on what the Wings need in the future, rather than the present. Does Gaudette have top six potential? Unlikely. The Wings have plenty of young guys that should be up in the next year or two that can fill the bottom six. What they lack is a quality goalie prospect that is close to being ready for the NHL (hopefully Filip Larsson can stay healthy and become one, but that's not something they can count on). Does Gaudette make the Wings better next year? Yeah, a bit, but looking at the long term view that really isn't very important.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 7, 2020 at 6:49 p.m.
Thread: What is fair value for taking on salary dumps w the flat cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>First, they don't need a back-up goalie. Husso will be promoted. Secondly, they have no intention of walking away from Petro, and with the Allen trade aren't that far off affording raises for Petro and Dunn. I'd guess that Bozak will be the next guy dealt, but it might have to wait a spell as he could have more value to a contending team.</div></div>

I just meant that the $6.5 of cap space didn't include a back up goalie, that's all. Husso added definitely helps so they don't have to sign a vet. That takes them under $6 million in cap space...what do you think the Petro and Dunn contracts will be combined? $11-12 million? I was just curious their plan to clear the $5-7 million to get that done.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 7, 2020 at 6:19 p.m.
Thread: What is fair value for taking on salary dumps w the flat cap
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alaskan_RedWing</b></div><div>Ladd – I don't know what DET would get back, but that Ladd contract is a disaster. At least Loui is somewhat usable, Ladd is a minor league player with Abdelkader. I don't think there is a single Islander prospect I would take for that. Maybe a 1st AND 2nd round pick in 2022 because of how deep that draft will be, but that is the floor.

Boychuck – Serviceable defenseman and good mentor to Seider, I think there might be 1st round pick for him just because of the length left. Depends how desperate Isles are to win-now.

Russell – Unlikely but maybe a 1st or 2nd round pick if we sent Glendening as well, who Holland loves and is a great 4th line player for cheap. Doubt EDM would accept but they should. Luke is great

Ericsson – DiPietro/Demko or a 1st round pick is the minimum. They really need to get rid of that contract because they have to sign Petterson and Hughes in the next 2 years with a flat cap.

Sven – 2nd or 3rd Round pick, unlikely they will send a decent prospect for him.

Steen – 2nd pick or a good prospect, he only has 1 year left and STL could just wait it out. Seems to be a good lockerroom guy.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>The Blues aren't paying anyone to buy Steen out, and I can only assume he's not waiving for Detroit. But taking him on is worth a decent 2nd rounder.</div></div>


Re: Steen...I'm curious if the Blues are ready to walk away from Pietrangelo. Looks like they have a bit under $6.5 million in cap space, and I'd assume they would want to re-sign Pietrangelo and give Dunn a decent sized bridge deal. They also need a back up goalie. What's the word on how they'll approach their situation?
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 12, 2020 at 5:18 p.m.
Thread: Wings 2020-21 - August Version
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmah007</b></div><div>Problem with that comparable is Carolina didn’t receive a player which is why it costed a first had he agree to waive to play there that deal would have been significantly less expensive for Toronto. Also if using that as an example don’t you think other gms would be seeing how costly that is now and really doubting it being worth doing? Carolina is now picking in the top half of the first round. Ahead of over half the league</div></div>

That's what I'm trying to get a handle on - what these teams will need to/be willing to pay to rid themselves of players whose contracts are now threatening their ability to re-sign their own guys (Pietrangelo, Tampa's RFAs, Vancouver's need to clear space for Hughes and Pettersson, etc.). What is cap space worth? It seems to me that an average/slightly above average player that is making anywhere from $4-6 million a year has negative value due to the flat cap. For instance I can't see Jake Allen being moved without some sort of sweetener even after he had a good year. Palat still has value as a player, but at $5.3 he's a cap burden. I imagine that stars are going to get their money, but the middle six/3-5 D are going to lose significant value, especially those already with contracts that pay them in that $4-6 million range.
Forum: Armchair-GMAug. 12, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.
Thread: Wings 2020-21 - August Version
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Timmah007</b></div><div>If only trades like that actually happened...</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BStinson</b></div><div>These are extremely optimistic from a Detroit perspective.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>VanFan10</b></div><div>Van declines that deal. They aren't going to throw in Demko and a first rounder to get rid of Eriksson.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Blues4TheCup</b></div><div>STL Declines</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheAlien</b></div><div>Vancouver declines, you can either have Demko and a pick or a 1st rounder, not both</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>Every team declines.</div></div>

I assumed that the trade returns would be considered optimistic. I guess I'm just trying to gauge what will be the market rate for taking on bad contracts with the reality of the flat cap. As a Wings fan I hope they weaponize the vast majority of their cap space by taking on dead weight contracts from contenders for future assets. Would love to hear what other folks would consider reasonable. The Marleau return sticks in my mind, hence the initial attempt w/ 1st rounders coming back.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 10, 2019 at 8:24 p.m.
Thread: Red Wings 19-20 30
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Would 3 years not bring you into a similiar situation of possibly more buyouts of the signatures you got this summer</div></div>

The thought process was that Nielsen signed a six-year deal entering his age 32 season and Abdelkader's extension ends when he will be 36...never understood the thought process. These deals are being given to younger players w/ shorter terms (or in Hayes' case the same term) which makes it less likely to have to utilize buy-outs. Who knows if the contracts are realistic, but I tried to be reasonable in estimating what they might get on the open market. The idea was going about the rebuild with a larger number of $5-$7 million players as opposed to shelling out mega deals for guys like Karlsson or Panerin which seem to be the most popular routes people take here.