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Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJan. 15 at 10:33 a.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juice</b></div><div>There's a common adage in hockey....show me a good goalie and I'll show you a good coach.

Berube joined the Blues and Binnington goes on a massive hot streak. Binnington stops being a stud and the Blues/Berube look average at best

DeBoer and Vegas is a very different situation...I think, anyway. DeBoer was a specific guy Vegas wanted...he had beat up on Vegas as coach of the Sharks and, when he became available, they moved quickly to fire Gallant and bring him in.

I don't know if the leafs view any of the available candidates as "their guy"....but I'd much rather they figure out who that guy is and then act swiftly vs just <strong>firing Keefe because we're on a little losing streak</strong> and hire from an unimpressive group just for the sake of change.

Think about it...if they hire someone new now....he's going to get the rest of this year....all of next year for sure....and almost certainly the year after that. That's a min of 2.5yrs of this core's prime. So while I'm for a coaching change if it's specific...meaning they are certain they are hiring the guy they want....I'm completely against a coaching change if it's really just an experiment of hope that the next guy can do better.</div></div>

As someone who is not a Keefe guy I actually agree with not firing him in season.

This is a poorly constructed roster with some major holes to fix that can’t be accomplished till the offseason.

I would also let this season play out with Keefe and this roster and see how that plays out.

I see no other team that is searching for a HC “right now” so guys who are available today will be available in the offseason
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJan. 12 at 3:57 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
Since extensions seem to be the hot topic on here at the moment, I want to point out that Brad is not scared to take calculated risks when it comes to extending young players. Look at the Rasmus Andersson contract for example. Knies is the hot topic here at the moment, but I don't think he's going to be a candidate for a long term extension simply because it will be robbing him of money. His team isn't going to bite on that kind of a deal. I could see a 3 - 4 year contract that buys up his remaining RFA years before a long term deal is put into place. It is a much better scenario for the player (barring a gross overpay).

Now, the one player I could see getting a long extension this offseason is Timothy Liljegren. Watch for him to get a 6 - 7 year deal Rasmus Andersson style.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJan. 8 at 3:19 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Saskleaf</b></div><div>This cap percentage thing needs to stop. Because while yes, the cap is going up, what will also be happening is Willy will be getting older and in turn probably getting worse. Are we really expecting him to be putting up the numbers he’s putting up now when he’s 35?

I agree with Tre messing up with this deal. I’ve liked him for the most part so far but he messed up big time on this deal. I’m not even blaming Willy for not taking a pay cut. But this deal is not a team friendly contract.



See above for my note on the whole percentage thing

Ehhh at the time I did think it was a bad contract yes. If Willy can follow Pararin in terms of how he does then I think this contract will turn out fine. But there’s no guarantee that he will</div></div>

What do you mean stop with the cap% thing.
The entire cap is a %.
The face value of a contract is meaningless! Every contract is negotiated as a % of the cap, both relative to comparable contracts and also relative to league earnings. The % is literally all that matters
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJan. 8 at 1:22 a.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Overcrediting Willy a bit here

Hes competitive when he wants to be same for every guy here

We have seen the effort lack. TBL vs. TOR first time not great effort by him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE03ynwGs7s

In general Willy is playing for a contract. Its no secret hes going to play his best and maximize his earnings as contract fever is a thing.

And even still the terms floatlander and inconsistent Willy didnt just come out of no where. Through his career hes had games where hes been great and others where its 0 effort. Take games vs. non playoff teams big 4 barely show up lul. Hes not done so yet (for obvious reasons) but once he gets his money then were gonna see

Would not surprise me if the play drops as thats usually what happens to most these guys. They get their money than drop back to their average. r

Dont see his game better than this as this probs be the ceiling or that combined with contract fever. Either way he better pray next year he does the same and this aint a fluke as they gonna turn on him like they did Marner and it wont be pretty</div></div>

This is self justification again. He's gotten more consistent every season. He has been our best playoff performer often as well. He's evolved into this. The past is the past.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJan. 5 at 1:11 p.m.
Forum: Toronto Maple LeafsJan. 4 at 6:58 p.m.
Thread: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 3 - Winter Blues
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>In general Nylander is on pace for 117 points.

Gaudreau when he had 115 was offered 10.5m by CGY. Ended up with 9.75m in FA

For 2 more points would not be handing him Pasta money as to me this is contract year play.

10.5m x 8 years should be the max if he insists on 11.25m move on and try to go after someone like Guentzel or Reinhardt who should cost less.

Cause yea I doubt anyone throws 11m at him in FA and he would end up with less.


If he really wants to be here 10.5m x 8 years but I just got some bad feeling were gonna give him more than Pasta and increase the "how much they spending on 4 guys" meme going and if they dont have playoff success its really gonna get ugly

Cause yea if they do give it to him they have 24m to spend on 3 right handed Dman (including Lily's extension), a 3c, 2nd line LW, 2 4th liners, and a good backup goalie.

Thats gonna dissipate fast.</div></div>

Cap percentage is the number to look at, not cap number. Also Willy is just hands down better than Johnny Hockey.