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Forum: Armchair-GMSat. at 5:46 p.m.
Thread: big offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Marcsnack</b></div><div>Although I agree, the only reason we may not get more is because there will be a decent amount of goalies on the market.

Gibson, Markstrom, Gustavsson, Saros, Binnington/Hofer, Vejmelka, Merzlikins &amp; Ullmark are all guys who have been mentioned in trade talks.
The teams who could have interest in acquiring a goalie would/could be EDM, LAK, COL, NJD, PHI, BUF, DET, OTT &amp; TOR, and some of these are stretches, so because there are so many available goalies, and only some of these teams really need to starter, it might drop values overall.</div></div>

In almost every case there the team that moves out a goalie is going to need to replace one. Look at Markstrom who is going to fill the spot? Wolf, He had a .893 save% last year at the NHL level. He's not ready for a full time role yet. That same is true with Saros, who replaces him?
The same is true down the line. Almost every case there is the same. You look at Merzlikins, he struggled worse than Jarry last year. That's a hard contract to move because of it, even CBJ fans know that.
The one guy on there you can count is Ullmark.
There are just more holes than there goalies. The teams who are looking don't want to fill with the likes of Merzlikins as most of them are trying to be playoff teams. I mean EDM, LAK, COL, NJ, DET, and TOR were either in or were close and wanted to be in last year. They will be looking for a better goalie than guys like Merzlikins and Givson who's fallen off.

So while I agree there are goalies on the Market, it's just musical chairs. The teams who have a guy to move in, need to move a guy out to do it, like the penguins. But a lot of them aren't in a hurry because they don't have to be. Like STL doesn't need to move Binnington because Hofer is on a league min deal. They can wait it out and see what happens and they probably will.

So the market I think is more scarce than you realize.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri. at 5:50 p.m.
Thread: Next SZN
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Marcsnack</b></div><div>So what is your POV on Smith? You rather keep him? If we are gonna trade him for a pick, I rather just get a young NHL ready player like Robertson and take a risk.</div></div>

except Robertson isn't an NHL level player. He's an AHL guy who's too small to play the bottom 6 and not really good enough to pllay top 6. Even if you think he'd be an OK regular season piece he's not the type of guy you want during the playoffs. So what are you actually building there?

Smith, if we have to retain what's the point?
I'd rather move him for a pick, no retention and be done with it.
What I don't want, is to take back bad cap in moving him, like the Joseph trades to OTT, where we extend the cap out for 2 years. God no, just let it end and be done with it.
Nor do I really want to move him for some garbage player who really isn't NHL level with us retaining.
You would only save like 1.5 mil in cap there. Because you retain half and then pay Robertson another roughly mil.
But push come to shove if this was a team to make the playoffs, 1.5 mil in cap isn't worth starting Robertson over Smith in games that count.
At least Smith would be engaged, final year of a contract, playoffs, looking to cash in..... You'd get far more out of him.

Where Robertson will just get shoved around and disappear much like he does in TOR. Who needs that? And for what 1.5 mil in cap savings.... not worth it.

Truth is I'm content in understanding no one is going to give us a good young player for Smith. I get that.
But a pick isn't out of the realm of possibilities. If we open up the cap space in moving him great.

Best part of Smith's deal is it's done after this year. So why sweat it so much.
If you want to figure out the guy to move.... it's Rakell.
Because that contract as it stands right now is looking really bad. Best they can hope for is either he breaks out of it, they put him on Crosby's line and hope he can carry him to a decent trade, or it's going to be a bad cap swap with another team.
But Smith really isn't all that much to worry on. It's one and done, and we should just accept that rather than making the team worse. If anything when they are out next season maybe he becomes a TDL piece on an expiring contract.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 12 at 8:01 a.m.
Thread: CAR and WPG get cap space
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Marcsnack</b></div><div>I get that. My thought was more if they were thinking of buying him out, a deal with retention might be better.</div></div>

yeah I mean I can get that. But I don't think either is a great option. A buyout is obviously 12 years, which is like no way in hell a team wants to carry that even under 1 mil cap hit for 12 years.
But does a team want to use a retention spot for 6 years? No way. Not to dump a player for sure not even getting anything back for it really.

signing KK was one of those dreadful hockey moves that a team has to endure in some way or another for years. Which is kind of funny because it really gives CAR a lesson about trying to revenge a team over an RFA. Sometimes you just have to realize it's only business and let it go. They are learning that punishment right now.

It's like when the penguins signed Hornqvist to that awful 5 year deal.
It was a bad idea from the start.
It got rolled into Matheson which was a salvageable situation it was bad but not horrible. He was actually somewhat useful. But got rolled again into Petry and then Rolled again into EK.

Every step along the way, you are hoping to salvage something out of it, but most likely you are spinning tires trying to just get through it.

The mistake the penguins made is they kept sinking good assets into bad. Instead of just accepting it and finding ways to lesson the burden in each moved rather than cough up Marino and than 1st and 2nd round draft picks to just spin tires. Yeah they got a better player in EK in the end.... but it's impossible to run 2 offensive 1RD on a team, it doesn't work. They are really stuck with a broken D core because of that for the next 3 years.

So you look at CAR, that KK contract is awful, they aren't going to buy it out over 12 years, they aren't going to retain on it for 6 years. They should look to flip it for a relatively just as bad contract.
Be it with the penguins or someone else. Try to shave a year or two off their mistake, and in 2-3 years be done with it maybe.

It's the act that people think they can "fix" something that is severely broken that just digs people further in. Acceptance of reality is the first key choice.
But usually there are no good options and teams don't win in dealing with contracts this bad.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 25 at 8:22 p.m.