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Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 4:53 p.m.
Thread:
Nylander Trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KakkoForMauriceRichardAward</b></div><div>STOP trading Klingberg to TOR he does nothing to solve their defensive gaps!!!</div></div>
They are 10 time better with Klingberg then with who else they have on the right side at the moment. A defenseman who can play 22 + minutes a night pk, pp, even strength against top opponent. Worth lot more then a fringe Nylander who disappear when real hockey starts.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 4:49 p.m.
Thread:
Hmmm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Good point. 3 years wouldn't really be long-term deals though. It really depends on the player though I guess. For example I don't think they'd pass on Tyler Johnson just because he has over 2 years term remaining.</div></div>
No But there not much team that will exposed a consitent 20+ goal with that much term left. If Tampa left him open i am pretty sure Seattle will select him but he is more likely to be dealt by Tampa and maximize is return. He make a decent salary a 5,5 and have been consistent for most of is career averging around 50 point a year. Some team that desperately need secondary scoring will be chasing him for sure
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 4:09 p.m.
Thread:
Hmmm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Why would they specifically avoid long-term deals? If they only pick players with short-term then they will have a lot of players hitting UFA soon after the ED which isn't a good way to maximise value.</div></div>
Vegas didn’t took a players with a contract longer then 2 years. You don’t want to commit to a players long term on a new team like Seattle. If the players fit in well then you extend him just like Vegas have done and if you don’t compete well the first couple years you have some players to move on the market to acquire draft capital en prospect. Trading a guys with one or 2 years deal is a lot easier then try to move a 4-6 years deal.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.
Thread:
Can they get Pietrangelo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>With Tavares, MTL is a playoff team. Having him with a young Danault, KK, Drouin, Domi and Caufield makes a very good and youthful top 6. Tavares would fit in with the win now contracts of Weber and Price and make the team push for playoffs. Long run may bite us in the ass but if Tavares were to be traded I think this would be a discount for him</div></div>
Maybe for a contending team but Montreal is a you g team with to many hole in their current line up to trade away those kind of piece for a aging centerman. tavares might have 5 or 6 good season and Suzuki probably 12-14 and all is prime season are ahead of himand he have a high ceiling so that would be dumb for Montreal to even intertain that idea. On the other hand a team that are ready to compete like the rangers or the flyers could use a guy like Tabares and would instantly be better but not Mtl
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 3:29 p.m.
Thread:
Can they get Pietrangelo
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>Come on, that's not true. The value heavily favours the Habs. Now if you want to point out that they cant take in the cap hit you have an arguement but Suzuki and 9th overall for Tavares would be a win of a trade.</div></div>
Not considering the situation in Montreal. The team isn’t built to win at the moment even with the acquisition of Tavares. Montr Will likely be competitive in 3- or 4 years and Tavares would be 33 at that moment and be starting to regressing. Suzuki will enters is prime years and the 9th overall will probably start to become a very good players. So no its not a good trade for Montreal at all and it would be completely stupid to accept that bullshat trade. Why not acquire a 60 years old Wayne Gretzky
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 3:06 p.m.
Thread:
Hmmm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>That's fine. Avs aren't really going to be looking to trade him anyways. Maybe he'll be the Seattle selection though. Not exactly a problem for now anyways as we have plenty of capspace.</div></div>
He will probably exactly the kind of players Seattle will want. If they goes on the same path Vegas did they will probably goes for Donskoi or one of Grubauer or Francouz. They will be avoiding long term deal
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 2:53 p.m.
Thread:
Can they get Pietrangelo
Montreal would have nothing to do with that bullshat trade for A 30 year old tavares. Suzuki and this year first round pick alone have more value to Mtl then Baby Tavares.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 2:51 p.m.
Thread:
Hmmm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Do you disagree with something I said?</div></div>
A second or a third seem very high for those type of players on a long term deal. And since the cap won’t probably goes up for another 3 or 4 season team won’t be spending that much money to acquire a third line players. He would probably have more value with one years remaining on is deal. That a huge risk to take if a team acquire him for 3 years and he start declining that 4 millions you lost under the already strained cap situation.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 2:36 p.m.
Thread:
Hmmm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>As I said Donskoi is probably worth a 2nd or 3rd. I don't really feel like getting dragged into a debate about valuation of Montreal players, but I guess Byron is about the same value, maybe slightly less as he's 3 years older and likelier to age worse over the course of the contract.</div></div>
And there he comes.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 1:00 p.m.
Thread:
Hmmm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Dude relax. I said that he was PACING for 50 points, NOT that he's a 50 point player. No need to bring Drouin or Byron into this conversation.</div></div>
Byron is a very good comparable to Donskoi both have been putting very similar number. So yes bringing him into conversation make sense. What values would you think Byron would have ? Both have 3 years left on their deal, both are about the same point production. Both are utility winger that can fill in almost every role in a lineup.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 12:49 p.m.
Thread:
Hmmm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>I admit that it might have seemed that I was pumping his tyres a bit when I said that he was pacing 50 points, but that's a fact that he was doing that. You're also underestimating him if you think 6 points in 35 games is his normal pace. He's always been quite streaky but overall he's about a 0.5ppg player who plays an excellent two-way game.
In any case, note that in my earlier post relating to his value I said that a 2nd or 3rd (+ maybe a prospect) would be reasonably fair, which is reflective of the fact that he's a streaky 0.5ppg player, who I agree is ever so slightly overpaid. If he was a consistent 50 point forward I wouldn't think his value was that low, would I?</div></div>
He have been a 0,44 ppg career average that around 37-38 point in a 82 game season. With the salary that he carried on is value isn’t that high at all.
What value Paul Byron is having ? You got your answers there. Byron have had very similar stats in the past 5 season and have a a cheaper contract. A typical third line utility players. Morgan Geekie was pacing for 160 point this years but the fact that he was doiing it. Dont start with that bullcrap. Colorado fab are always picking on Drouin but in your logic he was on pace for 70 point this year before getting injured. Does that make him suddenly a 70 point players? I dont think so and Donskoi is not a 50 point players even if he look like it the 15 games Mackinnon carried him.
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Fauteuil - DG
Jul. 16, 2020 at 12:37 p.m.
Thread:
Big change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>not every player that misses time goes on LTIR. guys miss one or two or four games all the time.
just make another trade to be cap compliant.
imagine going on a west coast trip with 20 players and someone gets hurt. you'd be screwed.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>not every player that misses time goes on LTIR. guys miss one or two or four games all the time.
just make another trade to be cap compliant.
imagine going on a west coast trip with 20 players and someone gets hurt. you'd be screwed.</div></div>
just make another trade to be cap compliant.
imagine going on a west coast trip with 20 players and someone gets hurt. you'd be screwed.[/quote]
Imagine minding your own business, and go annoying another dude.
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Fauteuil - DG
Jul. 16, 2020 at 11:50 a.m.
Thread:
Big change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>the savings only kick in if they are on LTIR, which has specific time period requirements for missed time.
another swing and a miss.</div></div>
Where Stamkos and Mcdonagh have been on!
And another poor moment for big L! Youre are not tired to look like a mrn
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 11:48 a.m.
Thread:
Sergachev and Rakell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EzioUchiha</b></div><div>come of think of it. HHOFers Peter Forsberg (Lindros trad) and JVR also went back to the teams that shipped them too early. heck even Stan Bowman "repatriated" Brandon Saad. I'm not saying it's was a good decision to bring back Saad to Windy City but anything can happen in the sport business.
Anyway, he reminds me of some of the reporters on ESPN who claim to have inside source about the NBA players (e.g. Jalen Rose claiming that there's 99% chance of Kawhi resigning with the Raptors)</div></div>
Exactly. The only one who know is Sergachev. And even if he wouldn’t want to be back Brisebois can ship him where he want to. I doubt that if a couple team would be in the mix and Montreal have the best offer on the table he will ask for Sergachev where he would like to be send, he will take the best offer and Sergachev will leave with it
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 11:45 a.m.
Thread:
Hmmm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Richard88</b></div><div>Donskoi is more than just a 3rd line "utility" player. He was pacing for over 50 points before he got injured this season, and looked very good with Kadri and Burakovsky on the 2nd line.
I don't envisage that Sakic will consider trading him so soon after signing him in UFA, it's just not Sakic's way of doing things. He tends to be meticulous and plan long-term, and also tends to honour contracts as much as possible. Moving a player 1 year into a 4 year contract doesn't seem like the type of move Sakic would make. That said, I could see it being a legitimate option in 2021 where Seattle ED is in play and after which we'll have had 2 seasons to assess his performance.
That said, I'm also curious what sort of value people think Donskoi has, so I'm glad <a href="/users/Kukas26" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Kukas26</a> asked the question. I think he's probably right that it's a 2nd + 3rd sort of deal, maybe with a prospect thrown in depending on how high the pick is.</div></div>
He was actually only good the time he spend on the first line with Mackinon. After Rantanen and Landeskog where back he actually have been returning to is former third line production. So yes he is a third line utility players. After he was put back on the second and third line he had 6 point in 35 games and had mostly been scoring is point with mackinon as a center. So dont gave me that bullshat. He have always been a third line utility players and he will continue to be that guys. Dale weise once was on pace for 40 goal after 20 games in 2015-16 season that doesn’t mean that he was donskoi had a very hot 15 games stretch but was himself for the reat of the season.
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
Jul. 16, 2020 at 11:35 a.m.
Thread:
Big change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>and since not all 20 players will play all 82 games? what happens then? tampa used 31 players in 70 games this year. and thats just guys who played, not counting guys called up and sat in the press box
next season is going to be very compressed, with fewer days off, starting in december, with playing all 82 games, fewer 'off" days to send guys down.
just give it up.</div></div>
Stamkos and Mcdonagh have miss significant time that gave them millions to work with. They had some injury to fill in, coburn, kucherov, hedman and compagnie that why they use 31 players. Younare so desperately in need of attention that you continue to ignore that everything would be the ok with the line up that i have buit
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 11:18 a.m.
Thread:
Hmmm
A third line utility players on a huge contract i doubt many team will be interested in acquiring him. With the cap that is likely to be stuck at 81,5 millions for the couple next season team will be very carefull sbout their spending
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 10:59 a.m.
Thread:
Tampa trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>Tampa is a lot closer to cup contention then Montreal, Not sure what Brisebois does. But fat chance of either Cirelli or Sergachev winding up in Montreal.</div></div>
And the hatred continues
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 10:53 a.m.
Thread:
Sergachev and Rakell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>:laugh Okay sure dude, We'll see who's correct here.</div></div>
Sergachev won’t end up in Montreal for the only reason that tampa won’t move him. That have nothing to do with your poor explanation. Everyone around here knownabout your hatred about Montreal that why you make such comment but the reality is that you don’t know if Sergachev have anything against Montreal
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2020 at 10:47 a.m.
Thread:
Sergachev and Rakell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>Because Sergachev was pissed of about being dealt in the first place, He loves Tampa now and doesn't want to leave. Doubt he'd be happy going back to the team that dealt him.</div></div>
What are you talking about? Your hatred against Montreal completely falsified your judgement. Players don’t want to come to Montreal, players doesnt want to waive their trade clause for Montreal, a guy who have been drafted and who was never really a part of Montreal who probably have absolutely no hard feeling about that trade since he had a chance to play right away in tampa bay is in your opinion holding grudge for a absolutely ridiculous reason. David Perron return to St louis not twice but 3 time. Kris Verstees did the same with Chicago. You don’t even know if the players really have any hard feeling and since you haven’t spoke with the kids about that abstain yourslef of speaking for himself. Of course he like it in Tampa bit that doesnt mean he don’t like any other city.
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
Jul. 16, 2020 at 10:35 a.m.
Thread:
Big change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>so, in your mind. sending down a guy on his ELC for a day or two at a time will save 41K AND you will have zero injuries throughout the whole year?
ridiculous.</div></div>
Yeap we both know who ridiculous. I hmjist made a text earlier about the whole situation but you didn’t take a minute to read it since your are a stubborn mtfk. And yes sending down a elc contract for time to time will save them probably more then 41k. A Ahl salary is in average around 70 thousand so if a players on elec earns 50 thousand a week in nhl and spend a week in ahl they probably just been maning up for that 41k
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Fauteuil - DG
Jul. 16, 2020 at 12:18 a.m.
Thread:
Big change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Skyraider112</b></div><div>Vince Dunn had the highest Corsi % out of all St. Louis Blues players who played more than 60 games in the season. His Corsi was 55.5%. Pietro was 52.9%, Parayko was 40%, Faulk was 50.3%, Scandella was 49.3%. Not only that but he also had the highest Fenwick % (just a different calculation of Corsi). Indeed he did have the highest offensive zone starts out of all STL D men. He had the highest expected +/- also. What all this means is that when Vince Dunn is on the ice, the Blues play very well. He impacts the game more for his team offensively than any other D men on St Louis, that's what the stats show. And yes he is only getting 16 mins of TOI per game, but imagine if he got more (which he will), how much better would he look to the league? My guess is significantly. He is a very good top 4 D man. Regardless of what you are saying, you still vastly underpaid for a player that you threw on the top pair in Montreal. Would cost Armia/Lehkonen, 2020 2nd, and another piece for the value to be fair. Also you would have to pay him at least 1.5 mil more</div></div>
Getting more minutes means facing toughest opponent. Regardless of what you are saying he doesn’t hold that much value in a cap dump trade. And he is a very good top 4 dman who haven’t played in that role once in is career yet? You can proclaim yourself the President of United state just because you like so. Dunn have been a bottom pairing defenseman for is entired career, that might change but that what he have been. End of discussion
Forum:
Fauteuil - DG
Jul. 15, 2020 at 10:53 p.m.
Thread:
Big change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>12 forwards, 6 defensemen and 2 goalies dress every game. You said send a defensemen to the ahl to save money.
Counting is hard.</div></div>
And reading isnt your best attribute. I said sending down between game to save money. You should take 2 min before sending stupid messages
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Fauteuil - DG
Jul. 15, 2020 at 10:07 p.m.
Thread:
Big change
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>So you'd play with 17 skaters and pray you have zero injuries the whole season? Come on</div></div>
Can you count ?? There 20 players on that roster. Come on that simple you learn to count to 20 in pre school
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Fauteuil - DG
Jul. 15, 2020 at 9:12 p.m.
Thread:
What Montreal will ask to take on salary
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PhuckDaddy</b></div><div>The middle trade would not be considered by Canucks</div></div>
Considering their situation they will have to consider many option. They are in a very tight cap situation for the next 2 season.
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