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NHL Signings
Jan. 16 at 11:28 a.m.
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Chicago Blackhawks signed Jason Dickinson (2 Years / $4,250,000 AAV)
Nothing says let’s get the best pick than signing Dickinson and Foligno to 8 mill plus. Although they are key contributors to their focus goal.
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NHL Signings
Nov. 28, 2023 at 8:15 p.m.
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Detroit Red Wings signed Patrick Kane (1 Year / $2,750,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>seanrushton</b></div><div>Takes up a roster spot, a lineup spot, and cap space. Plus he was bad when he was in New York and on top of that a knee surgery means that he's more than likely going to be even worse at the things he was bad at</div></div>
Seriously, a whole roster spot taken up? The salary is prorated. 20 games past nearly so that’s almost a quarter of it off the books. That’s like 700k. So 2 mill for a potential top 6. And ye, he wasn’t great in New York, buddy had to have hip surgery. If he wasn’t injured all year and played normal Kane life, he would be cashing in 7-8 mill. The guy wasn’t rushed back and plays coming off a lot of rehab.the guys 35 and had 57 points in 73 games, 21 of which were goals all while playing mostly injured. I think it’s safe to say he’s well worth 2 mill. Who you keeping for a roster spot over Kane ? Veleno and Kostin ? I’ll take Kane all day. Smh. I don’t think you know much about hockey. What’s 2 mill grabbing you for your roster ? A deadline rental ? Or some scrub ?
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NHL Signings
Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:13 p.m.
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Detroit Red Wings signed Patrick Kane (1 Year / $2,750,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>seanrushton</b></div><div>Risky signing by Detroit... signing him after hip surgery could backfire massively</div></div>
Are you smokin one ? How on earth could this massively affect them. Teams sign third line plugs for this, in some cases 4th line and it’s pro rated. Easy enough to bury or put on waivers if it don’t work. Play him up and down the lineup. Or LTIR if he’s injured. No charge. Fairl simple
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NHL Signings
Aug. 7, 2023 at 5:57 a.m.
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Philadelphia Flyers signed Samuel Ersson (2 Years / $1,450,000 AAV)
I made some good coin betting on the flyers when he was in net
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NHL Signings
Aug. 6, 2023 at 4:45 p.m.
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Philadelphia Flyers signed Samuel Ersson (2 Years / $1,450,000 AAV)
I utilize a hockey simulator with 31 other real life GMs. Making trades with these contracts and signings in ufa is significantly difficult. No one’s a dummy, well the odd person is less knowledgeable, and trades and moves are hard to make. No one wants your garbage for your quality. There’s a lot of moving parts. We don’t even deal with the business side on this simulator, nor do we deal with the fans or players personal needs/wants. I can only imagine the shear difficulty when you have real life factors.
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NHL Signings
Aug. 6, 2023 at 4:41 p.m.
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Philadelphia Flyers signed Samuel Ersson (2 Years / $1,450,000 AAV)
The guys 23 and had fair stats in Sweden. He’s a young goalie. NHL teams have professionals to analyze his potential. I personally see a ton of potential in this guy. I believe at some point, he will be a starter. His contract is fair. A lot of people forget that some of these players from overseas are a threat to bounce back to their leagues where they may get paid significantly more. Sometimes contract value is dictated based on this risk or fear from the organization to keep them around. Unless you’re behind the doors and listening to the bargaining, you don’t know the details to why. Many think it’s as simple as what’s written on paper. Brad T in Toronto really spoke to this, he identified Minnesota wanted to keep Reaves, but the only way was to give him this deal to get him there. If you got a guy you think will help your club, u may have to sacrifice. Not all contracts are based on statistics. If that were the case, Galchenyuk should have been gone years ago
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NHL Signings
Oct. 10, 2020 at 11:53 a.m.
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Detroit Red Wings signed Thomas Greiss (2 Years / $3,600,000 AAV)
Fluery needs a home. If VGK can eat like 2 mill of that, its only 5 mill over 2. Fluery may have some left
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NHL Signings
Apr. 24, 2020 at 9:59 a.m.
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Columbus Blue Jackets signed Joonas Korpisalo (2 Years / $2,800,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>yeah i have to break it to you but Elvis isn't a 22 year old goalie.
On top of it, Korpi is not a fringe number 1.
2.8 is a lot for a backup level goalie. It's not even worth arguing about.</div></div>
Yet you keep arguing .... lol
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NHL Signings
Apr. 20, 2020 at 10:59 p.m.
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Columbus Blue Jackets signed Joonas Korpisalo (2 Years / $2,800,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>I can't take anyone seriously who says elvis wasn't a highly touted goalie. He's been one of the top goalies not in the NHL for years.</div></div>
Thats why he was drafted in the third round and after 6 other goalies.... Sure he did alright outside the NHL but so did many goalies, highly touted or not. Point is, he still needs time to develop and the sophomore jinx is real. That the whole point, Korp at 2.8 is a standard backup contract for a fringe #1 who can stand in while Elvis works on his stamina. I can name handfuls of goalies that do well outside the NHL and then don't pan out in the NHL.
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NHL Signings
Apr. 20, 2020 at 11:31 a.m.
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Columbus Blue Jackets signed Mikhail Grigorenko (1 Year / $1,200,000 AAV)
Low risk contract. Although, I wouldn't expect much from this guy. KHL is a whole other world. My tops for this guy is 30 points with about 10 goals. Cant see him getting the ice time, having descent line mates and lacks the skill level to produce much more. Hopefully his defensive skills are to par. Maybe he can take the Manny Malhotra route.
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NHL Signings
Apr. 20, 2020 at 11:28 a.m.
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Columbus Blue Jackets signed Joonas Korpisalo (2 Years / $2,800,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>he'll be traded next year, way to much on a back up goalie.</div></div>
Not really sure what planet your on. Khudobin and Elliott are similar calibre goalies. Id say Korpisalo has more upside at this point as they are aging. 2.5 for Khudobin and 2 mill for Elliott in their 30s... id say 2.8 is pretty close to a backup goalies rate with his stats, age and inflation included. Korpisalo can be a fringe starter if needed.
Elvis had good numbers this season which is great but keep in mind rookie syndrome. Come in with a bang and slide off the next season or their entire career. Playing a full season compared to a stretch of games has shown to have significant differences in how most goalies perform or transition into a #1. Elvis wasn't a highly touted goalie. So it can really be a flip of a coin at this point.
NHL history is littered with rookie years off the charts than steady or drastic declines. I wouldn't be putting all my eggs in a basket and passing it off to Elvis just like that. You will need a capable goalie to fill in for Elvis as he develops and builds stamina.
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NHL Signings
Mar. 6, 2020 at 9:29 p.m.
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New York Islanders signed Jean-Gabriel Pageau (6 Years / $5,000,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jasondomitrovic</b></div><div>He plays both ends of the ice and he plays hard but expect his stats to go down playing for the Islanders system.</div></div>
Clearly, If he's going to be used as a 3rd line C, he won't be getting more minutes. smh. Stating the obvious as if its solid insight. They will use him as a fringe 2C mostly 3C with PK1 duties. He's a defensive horse that can boost any PK. With Trotz system, he's going to fit in well. He's performed very well on a lacklustre Sens team. Give the guy some dues here. He's a solid two way 2 man. Ofcoarse 5 mill for a 3C is a lot. But he's not a 3C on every team. People are stating that he's a 3C on this team and deserves less cash. He can play 2C. Send never used him in the role they used him in this year, hence his stats not standing out until this season. Minutes often equates to production for most players. If you don't get the minutes, you're likely to produce at an average level for those minutes.
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NHL Signings
Jul. 31, 2019 at 12:03 p.m.
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Colorado Avalanche signed Samuel Girard (7 Years / $5,000,000 AAV)
I’m not a fan of Girard and I don’t know why people feel he’s a great signing. His Corsi is below 50, he doesn’t play PK, he scores a goal every 20 games with 2 mins of PP on a significantly skilled PP. only has 23 assists last season while playin 20 mins a game. Maybe this is what 5 mill is worth but I really think he needs to improve quite a bit more to call this a steal
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NHL Signings
Jun. 18, 2019 at 12:06 a.m.
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San Jose Sharks signed Erik Karlsson (8 Years / $11,500,000 AAV)
Just blows my mind on how everyone is a capoligist and an expert. Don’t know why these GMs don’t have most you guys on speed dial. Has anyone thought that he won’t take less term ? Cuz he will get term from someone else anyhow... Do you think maybe it’s not just cut and paste getting players. Someone of Karlssons caliber doesn’t come along often. Everyone screams cap problems every time a signing is made. Only team that ran into real cap issues and unloaded quality players was Chicago. I think these guys got it under control. There’s no simple answers here.
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NHL Signings
Nov. 6, 2018 at 6:56 p.m.
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Nashville Predators signed Pekka Rinne (2 Years / $5,000,000 AAV)
signing him to that NMC is interesting. If I were Nashville, Id have paid more $ to keep that off for the expansion draft. Guess the savings of some cash over that of having to compensate was worth more to the preds.
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NHL Signings
Nov. 4, 2018 at 3:14 p.m.
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Nashville Predators signed Pekka Rinne (2 Years / $5,000,000 AAV)
just found this info:
NHL GMs have been told Seattle’s potential expansion draft would be conducted under the exact same rules as Vegas was, per Bill Daly.
8:41 AM - Mar 21, 2018
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NHL Signings
Nov. 4, 2018 at 3:10 p.m.
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Nashville Predators signed Pekka Rinne (2 Years / $5,000,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MrBooth</b></div><div>Why was it potentially not a good signing? Expansion. If Seattle is a thing next offseason (or after), Nashville will run into some Fleury-Murray thing where they’ve got a big issue on their hands. The NMC given to Rinne is what makes everything complicated. Does Nashville protect Rinne and expose the younger, goalie of the future Saros? Do they trade Rinne? Give assets to Seattle to let them expose Rinne? It’ll be very interesting to see what happens</div></div>
I think this could for sure be a problem if they follow the same format as last expansion. There were rumblings that they may not follow the same format. We will see though. There maybe some behind the doors convo on this one. Should the expansion rules permit them to expose one of the two, Rinne will retire or something along those lines.
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NHL Signings
Nov. 4, 2018 at 3:06 p.m.
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Nashville Predators signed Pekka Rinne (2 Years / $5,000,000 AAV)
The five people that said no are completely out to lunch and must not watch hockey. Rinne has been one of the best goalies in the last 5 seasons and seems to only be getting better with age. Look at Luongo in florida. Had pretty good stats last year and his current stats this year aren't anything to shake your head at. He's 37 and still one of the best, when healthy, in the NHL. Teams are signed backups and fringe starters for anywhere from 2.5 - 3.5 mil and Rinne is taking 5 mill and short term with another Vezina type season underway. Saros will continue to develope and have an excellent well respected mentor helping his growth and also from that same part of the world. I don't think this hurts Saros in the least and if anything, will help him continue to grow even more. This deal is a steal. If they choose to, they can always move him for assets as well. Seeing how well respected he is in the organization and by his teammates. I don't see that happening. Poile with another steal of a deal. Even at one more great year. Its a steal.
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NHL Signings
Sep. 11, 2018 at 1:30 p.m.
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Vegas Golden Knights signed Max Pacioretty (4 Years / $7,000,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NateElder12</b></div><div>typically but the aging curves are made based off of WAR/GAR regression though. If he's a positive player, like he is, replacement level takes longer to reach.</div></div>
Hence the words typically and majority
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NHL Signings
Sep. 10, 2018 at 3:27 p.m.
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Vegas Golden Knights signed Max Pacioretty (4 Years / $7,000,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SKATES21</b></div><div>NHL Prime years are typically 26-28 range. He's in the decline years for the majority.</div></div>
Not to say its a bad deal. Given what NHL GMs fork out, its a pretty friendly deal for the Knights.
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NHL Signings
Sep. 10, 2018 at 3:27 p.m.
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Vegas Golden Knights signed Max Pacioretty (4 Years / $7,000,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>krakowitz</b></div><div>They get him for the rest of his prime years. Great extension by Vegas.</div></div>
NHL Prime years are typically 26-28 range. He's in the decline years for the majority.
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NHL Signings
Sep. 1, 2018 at 3:15 p.m.
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Florida Panthers signed Troy Brouwer (1 Year / $850,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Icegirl</b></div><div>I voted no b/c even though it's a good signing in a vacuum, it doesn't make sense for a team like FLA. They need to find slots for guys like Tippett, Malgin, Borgstrom, and Vatrano, and they already have Haley and MacKenzie taking up space. This also probably eliminates Letestu's chance at a contract. On a team with poor forward depth, this signing would be perfect, but for FLA, it's not a good choice.</div></div>
Who's going to lead them thats been to a cup? Brouwer has the skills to be a leader and has been there and won it. They majority of the Panthers barely have playoff experience. Outside of Hoffman and Lou, no ones been to a cup final.
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NHL Signings
Jul. 16, 2018 at 7:52 p.m.
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Nashville Predators signed Juuse Saros (3 Years / $1,500,000 AAV)
This contract blows my mind. Saros is one of the next best kept secrets to break out. Rinne has one year left and they will have a steal of a deal for seasons 2 and 3... id even say a steal of a deal this season as a backup. Bank on Saros being in the top 12 for Save percentage. He's a lot better than people may think.
Poile probably beats down their confidence and then gets them to sign these deals ! jk. He's just a great foreseer of potential that others don't see. Probably his scouts more so. He better keep those scouts around !
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NHL Signings
Jul. 16, 2018 at 4:02 p.m.
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Calgary Flames signed Elias Lindholm (6 Years / $4,850,000 AAV)
Also to note, this guy was up to 55% on face-offs. The best was Vermette at 60%. His goal totals increased with 4% more offensive zone starts. He played with Staal and Aho for 12.07% of the season and Skinner and Di Giuseppe for 9. 76% of the season. Given they line him up with Monahan and Gaudreau, his numbers should jump fast. With the signing of Neal, he maybe pushed down due to his defensive abilities over that of Neals. He also maybe pushed down as Calgary said they were going to try Tkachuk with Monahan and Gaudreau prior to acquiring Neal and Lindholm. But the upside is still tremendous
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Jul. 16, 2018 at 3:53 p.m.
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Calgary Flames signed Elias Lindholm (6 Years / $4,850,000 AAV)
I don't know how anyone can say this is a bad deal. This is a standard across the board contract for this type of player. Any less and its a steal, anymore and its starting to get up there. Keep in mind this player was in Carolina throughout his career and that team hasn't been known as an offensive team. He has a lot of two way potential. He can shut down on PK and he can contribute on the second line. Given more minutes offensively with better line mates will increase his point totals. Signing a guy with upside for under 5 mill in the meat of his potential is a solid contract. He's 23 and the contract ends at 29. NHL players statistically reach their peak at 27 in this current NHL. They won't be hindered with a long term deal on aging years. To me, this is a steal for these NHL years.
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