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Forum:
Armchair-GM
Aug. 1, 2023 at 9:44 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs All-in
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchJr</b></div><div>‘Might be an overpay’ 🤦🏻. Absolutely way too much (4 premium assets) for rental C that doesn’t drive his own line. Unless he’s playing with superstars, he puts up 50-60 points.</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ledge_And_Dairy</b></div><div>rose coloured glasses much? 4 premium assets is quite a way to describe a B level prospect, a B+ level prospect, 2nd pairing defenseman and a late 1st. Also complete disrespect on Lindholm, sure he is not an offensive play driver but he is an incredible 2-way supporting player. Bergeron and prime Toews were the ultimate example of this type of player, Couturier (before he got hurt) and Kopitar are other great examples of a player that does a lot of the dirty work to allow others to succeed so well offensively</div></div>
I see it from both sides here but that’s why I mentioned above. It is a lot to give up but lindholm is a premier 2-way C. He was a Selke candidate in 21-22 and is a season removed from 40 goals. Yes he was playing with premier talent but he would also be in Toronto. We have a ton of scoring talent already but adding his defensive abilities would put this team over the top.
Lilly is the big “top 50” prospect you’d be referring to as he is a former 1st round pick and is already a top 4 dman at the age of 24 (on a great contract). Niemela is an A- prospect (size is probably the only question for him at the NHL level), Minten is probably a B prospect at this point and a late 1st (what you would get from any team acquiring him). This is a great return for him and as mentioned above is probably an over pay but for a top tier player like lindholm at 50% retained, that is most likely the cost.
He has similar value to nylander and if the leafs were shipping him out for futures that is the kind of package I would want in return.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 27, 2023 at 9:48 p.m.
Thread:
Firesale
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div>He is not really buried. It is just simply the Jackets have too many forwards on the roster with no waiver flexibility.</div></div>
Lindholm would be a massive upgrade on him. Especially if they could work out an extension. Boqvist is buried and is most likely the odd man out on the backend now and vladar gives you some security in net in case Elvis goes down again.
This move on top of what they did so far in the off-season would make the jackets a solid playoff contender.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 27, 2023 at 8:35 p.m.
Thread:
YOLO
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NARC311</b></div><div>Ignoring that you lock up possibly the best 4c in the league at league min for 2 years?</div></div>
We’re already set there. Hard pass on a 4th C for a 20 goal scorer a 1st and a 3rd.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 27, 2023 at 12:28 p.m.
Thread:
YOLO
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NARC311</b></div><div>Agreed. In this case tho, I view Jarnkrok as essentially a cap dump/cap casualty (even tho I think he’s worth his contract) but the Leafs can’t afford him it seems like.</div></div>
So instead of putting him on waivers we pay a 1st and a 3rd to get rid of a 20 goal scorer from last year?
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 24, 2023 at 9:36 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ennis</b></div><div>Yeah Preds take that if you remove Jarnkrok</div></div>
Jarnkrok has to be in the deal to make the cap work.
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Two truly dreadful returns for TO</div></div>
I disagree. Leafs have a surplus of offence and desperately need defensive D. Pesce and mcdonagh are shutdown defenders and shot blocking machines. These trades balance the team out without decimating the farm system or putting themselves in cap hell.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 23, 2023 at 8:32 p.m.
Thread:
Cap compliant
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Avsfantrumpetman</b></div><div>They likely have to unless they can find a dancing partner for Jarnkrok or Brodie. Means losing Timmins at the start of the season after sending him down and risking the same happening every time an injury occurs. But this is the most likely solution.</div></div>
Can’t lose Brodie. D is their weakness and he’s the best of the bunch defensively. I would rather them run a short roster than pay assets to move players.
Jarnkrok is the only logical trade candidate unless there is a bigger deal with nylander but can’t see them moving him for rental prices.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:50 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I thought you finished your rant. RFA Players can negotiate with other teams ...but not necessarily sign. So PLD came to contractual agreement but not signed, and then Jets and Kings worked out a non compensation deal. Not hard to understand but in no way is comparable to a Nylander and Pesce situation.
Nylander and Pesce are not going to be allowed to negotiate with other teams....they are under contract for a year on contending teams
Again you bring up the nonsensical Horvat deal as a comparison . Canucks were out of the playoff...they were not contenders on a Cup run. So they traded an upcoming UFA for futures....yes that happens all the time. Now it undoubtedly <strong>Horvat and Isles were given permission to work an extension, so the Isles paid a premium for that. Now that happens also.</strong></div></div>
This was my entire point. You’re saying that it couldn’t happen because they are contenders. Being a contender doesn’t factor into this if it makes the team better. My whole point was that UFA and RFA doesn’t matter these trades have happened in the past with rights being negotiated. Same with contenders and non-contenders. If it makes the team better I’m sure both teams would at least explore it.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 18, 2023 at 11:05 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Yes, Tkachuk did because he was allowed to (with a week) because he was RFA...... Seems like do not understand that an RFA is allowed to negotiate with any team. A player whose contract isn't expiring for a year....Nylander and Pesce are not allowed to negotiate with other teams.</div></div>
I definitely understand UFA and RFA and the nuances of each. But you understand even if an RFA negotiates a deal with another team the team could still match it. So in this case, tkachuk would have signed a deal with Florida and Calgary could match and keep him for that contract. Making the fact that he was an RFA irrelevant in this argument.
Players under contract and their agents get permission from teams all the time to negotiate a long term deal with another team during trade talks. This just happened with Bo Horvat this season past season. Pending UFA traded and signed an extension before he even played a game for New York. Vancouver got back a roster player, a top prospect and a conditional 1st….
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 18, 2023 at 10:29 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Explorating trade options....yes. Allowing a player to negotiate with another team.......no. Huberdeau and Weager had not negotiated with the Flames before being traded.
End of facts.</div></div>
But tkachuk did…. In the same deal…. Coming from a playoff team…..
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 18, 2023 at 9:57 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Thanks for proving my point.....again. To say being a a contending team has nothing to do with it is downright false....and you must know that. CONTENDING teams trade for upcoming UFAs close to the TDL knowing full well they aren't going to be able to sign these players. There are about 100 upcoming UFAs in 24/25, they all don't get traded because they haven't been extended.
By your logic, the Leafs should be trading all their upcoming UFA....Matthews, Nylander, Lafferty, Brodie, Giordano.
Winnipeg and Calgary got something of value for one year of PLD and Tkachuk who definitely weren't resigning long term. But they weren't Cup contenders at all. Gee, the Flames who acquired two good NHLers for Tkachuk didn't even make the playoffs, and the Jets barely made the playoffs even with PLD.
I would like the hear the conversation the Leafs/Canes would have with top of their "stars". Hey, (important player on our team). "We want your ass outta town, So hurry up and negotiate with one team will give you, so we can trade you. But if you can 't come to an agreement, hey you are welcome back to our teams for a Cup run."</div></div>
No idea how I’m proving your point. Your argument is all over the place. I am saying being a contending team doesn’t take you out of having trade discussions like this. Calgary and Winnipeg were both playoff teams (usually every year) when they made these franchise altering trades. By definition makes them a contending team.
These star players made it clear they weren’t resigning. Not saying that’s what nylander is doing but they are very far apart on AAV (almost 2 mil a year). So if talks go nowhere TO has 3 options, own rental and let him walk to free agency, trade at TDL for rental value or work with nylander and his reps to find a destination where he would sign long term and work a deal to maximize value.
Saying they are a contending team and would never do that is ridiculous. Take Florida for example, they were the presidents trophy winner in 2021-22. Got swept in the second round by Tampa. The GM recognized that the team wasn’t built the way he wanted to and went out and acquired Tkachuk (a “star player” for Huberdeau and weegar also “star players”) and had an extension in place when the trade was announced.
They barely made it into the playoffs and then dummied everyone until the finals.
Toronto and Carolina would have these discussions because if they know the players aren’t going to resign, in my opinion, they are better off exploring trades to maximize the value and balance out their teams.
End of rant.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 18, 2023 at 8:19 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>So please, name a few.</div></div>
I’m not sure you understand how these things work. Usually the teams agree on the package of a trade but it’s not completed until a contract has been negotiated with the agent and the new team involved.
Sure, they have no obligation to sign but these things are discussed before the trade is made internally. So whether they are an RFA, UFA or in the last year of the deal these things happen all the time. That’s why some of the deals get killed or not explored because a player says they won’t sign a long term extension with that team.
Whether a team is contending or not has nothing to do with it. Winnipeg and LAK were both playoff teams last year. Dubois could have signed with another team as an RFA but Winnipeg also could have matched it. Same with any RFA you mentioned.
That’s why the teams work with the players to find a trade to a place they will extend (for example all of the players I listed above, who were traded and then signed extensions almost immediately).
Take the tkachuk deal for example. He listed a number of teams he would extend with. Then treliving negotiated with those teams to get the best package he could. He didn’t have a NTC or NMC but those negotiations still happened before the trade. The threat there was that he would only sign a one year deal and walk in free agency the following off-season once he was a UFA. Which is essentially the exact position carolina and Toronto are both looking at now with nylander and pesce a year away from UFA.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/after-trade-to-panthers-matthew-tkachuk-signs-eight-year-76m-extension/sn-amp/
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 18, 2023 at 12:48 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>[
Because basing a trade on extensions is nonsensical. Players have no obligation to sign. In this case two CONTENDING teams Leafs/Canes aren't going to allow their "stars" to negotiate with another team.
It just doesn't happen.</div></div>
It literally happens every year lol.
2023- Dubois, Severson
2022- Tkachuk/huberdeau/weegar, Deangelo, Fiala
2021- Reinhart, Jones
Just to name a few…
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 17, 2023 at 11:28 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WN88</b></div><div>This trade doesn't make any sense for the Leafs. Pesce is a good player, but that doesn't make him a good trade candidate. Firstly, I think you're underestimating how inefficient that next Pesce contract is going to be. You might like the player he is now, but his underlying numbers suggest he has regressed a little bit over the past 3 seasons. He's still a very good top-4 defender, but are you really willing to extend a player at a massive number into his 36/37 year old season? And that's not even considering all the assets you are giving up for him.
Timothy Liljegren on the other hand is entering the prime of his career and will surely be a solid two-way top-4 defenceman for years to come. On top of that, his next contract will be SIGNIFICANTLY more affordable than Pesce's and it will likely be for his best seasons rather than Pesce's worst.</div></div>
Pesce is the exact player the leafs need now and moving forward. A top 4 defensive d who can play 20+ minutes a night. He plays with Skjei currently who’s an offense first player and they have some of the best numbers in the league. Playing him with Reilly would create an elite top pairing.
If he gets a similar contract to Severson 8 yr 6.25mil. I would be more than happy. The last few years of that deal may not be great but if they lock up a top 2 Dman at the price with the cap going up that’s a great contract.
Liljegren’s numbers look good but that is playing sheltered minutes on the bottom pairing. I agree his contract will be more affordable. But he hasn’t proven yet that he can be a top 4 night in and night out. <div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Brutally bad for Seattle, trading for one year of Nylander.
Brutally bad for the Leafs trading for one year of Pesce.
And please no silly extension talk.</div></div>
Why would you not start talking about extensions with those players. Most deals like these (unless they are at the TDL) are to keep the players long term. Obviously neither team would mortgage the futures for rental deals.
Seattle could easily afford to give nylander an 8yr 9-10 mil a year deal and he would instantly be their best offensive player. They have roughly 30 mil in cap space next year.
Leafs could easily sign pesce to a Severson type deal 8yr 6.25 AAV. Wright could develop into the leafs 2nd line C and is cost controlled for the next few years.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 17, 2023 at 9:29 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoreHitzSeider</b></div><div>I don't see either trade happening. Why is Carolina retaining on Pesce? LOL
He's already playing on one of the best bargain contracts in the NHL.</div></div>
Retention can be moved to a 3rd team. Leafs would need it to make the deals work. Robertson + to a 3rd team for 1 year retention.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 17, 2023 at 9:48 a.m.
Thread:
Wild-Leafs pt 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>odyssey</b></div><div>Leafs decline. Very lopsided in the wilds favour</div></div>
Foligno has more goals and points in the last 2 years than all three leafs in this trade.
Robertson can’t stay healthy and hasn’t proven anything at the NHL level. Timmins is a 6/7 D currently and lafferty is a good 4th liner but I’d argue Foligno would be a massive upgrade. He could play up and down the line up and plays a physical game the leafs are looking for.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 17, 2023 at 9:39 a.m.
Thread:
Wild-Leafs pt 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CoolHandL</b></div><div>Addison has no arb rights, and he plays like he's made out of paper machete in his own zone. He will get around 1M AAV, maybe a bit less. Count on it.
Gus Bus will get 3.2-3.4M AAV.</div></div>
Yeah I have no idea what their contracts were going to look like. Roughly around the same total amount spent though.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 16, 2023 at 12:31 a.m.
Thread:
TML Cap Compliant
Leafs do none of those deals
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 15, 2023 at 10:21 p.m.
Thread:
Jets rebuild
Sabres are close to being a wagon. Hellebuyck in net is exactly what they need. Mittelstadt might be a non starter but I don’t think it’s that far off.
They are one of the few teams that can afford the extension Hellebuyck is looking for as well. You get him a year early for 50% retained and Dillon who is a great fit for their backend.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 14, 2023 at 2:14 p.m.
Thread:
More dumps
Or the leafs could just keep their 1st and buy out Murray…
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 14, 2023 at 12:15 p.m.
Thread:
EDM-CAR-SJ
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>If San Jose are only eating 30%, they're not getting most of this package. Pesce would have to be moved seperately, the only pick I think the Canes could justify moving is the Philly 2nd, and maybe you include Drury or Suzuki, but not both. EK at 8.5 when he's just as likely to have his ankle vaporize and never be the same as he is to be a 100 point defenseman again, I'd argue more likely to have the ankle issues.</div></div>
That’s an absolute guess. Injuries happen but the guy just put up over 100pt and won the Norris. You’re not going to get him at a discount. I agree 50% retention on that deal is fair though. Having him at 5.75 mil is a bargain. Especially for 4 more years.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 14, 2023 at 12:09 p.m.
Thread:
EDM-CAR-SJ
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>So Carolina are giving up Drury, Suzuki, Pesce and a 1st to take on 8.5 million in EK? No, Canes decline and the Oilers don't get Pesce. For that kind of package, EK needs at least half retention</div></div>
I agree, I only put 30% because that’s what the rumoured limit that SJ was willing to go but for that package it should be 50%
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Jul. 14, 2023 at 10:37 a.m.
Thread:
NYLANDER TRADE WELL BEFORE PRESEASON
That’s not getting you nylander.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 13, 2023 at 10:59 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NickCH79</b></div><div>Flyers clogged on D, not giving a higher draft pick to get even more clogged</div></div>
Assuming a Deangelo trade to Carolina is incoming. Timmins is a good young D under control for 2 years at 1.1 mil. Most flyers fans on other acgm seem content with a 4th round pick for him.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 13, 2023 at 10:56 a.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pens1991</b></div><div>paying a 4th to receive a 4th line cap dump... interesting</div></div>
You’re moving down 1 round and getting a roster player to fill out your bottom 6. Lafferty isn’t a cap dump at all. He has this year left at 1.1 mil hardly call that a cap dump.
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Armchair-GM
Jul. 12, 2023 at 10:35 p.m.
Thread:
Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingExLeafs</b></div><div>Leafs can do way better than that in a Nylander trade</div></div>
I agree they should be able to do better. Willy asking 10 mil for an extension takes a lot of teams out of the bidding. Making him more of a rental. Trade just balances the roster out a bit more and gives them more of that physical edge they are looking for.
That’s a solid 3rd line locked in on great contracts for 3-4 years. Also allows the cap to resign everyone and upgrade the D.
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