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Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 1:18 a.m.
Thread: Marner to CBJ
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>I wish I could say I was surprised by how little non-Leafs fans are considering Marners value to a team, but I'm really not anymore.

As someone who enjoys following the Blue Jackets, here is what I assume:
- Defense Group is set for the foreseeable future. Lots of young talented defensemen to go with Veterans that are locked in long term. Seems to be a lot of tension between CBJ and Jiricek, potentially making him a valuable trade asset.
- Goaltending isn't an issue by any means.
- Forward Group is fine, just need to wait for the young guys to come into their own.

How does adding a genuine superstar do anything other than help the Jackets? I feel like I'm not asking a ton considering the level of player you'd be getting in return. The Jackets with Marner are a playoff team and a serious threat. To say that the Jackets wouldn't so much as consider this offer is laughable, ESPECIALLY considering that the BPA at your draft pick will be a defenseman. Thus roster would be infinitely better than anything you could manage to put together without adding Marner:

Laine - Fantilli - Marner
Johnson - Jenner - Gaudreau
Voronkov - Sillinger - Marchenko
4th Liner - Kuraly - Olivier

Werenski - Severson
Provorov - Boqvist
Mateychuk - Gudbranson

Merzlikins
Tarasov

I'm assuming Texier gets dealt, doesn't seem like there's a definitive role for him. Not sure what to think of A. Nylander.

Regardless, Marner and a coach who isn't completely braindead transforms CBJ into a playoff team 🤷‍♂️</div></div>

Who are these "lots of young talented defenders" you speak of outside of Jiricek and Mateychuk? Werenski is turning 27 this year, Severson is turning 30, Provorov is 27 and has no future with the team, Gudbranson is 32, Boqvist is young, but far from talented, and Bean is the same. You're literally proposing they trade away one of their only two young defensive prospects with a solid shot of being the kind of defensive player they need. You're also way overblowing the situation with Jiricek just like so many other people that want to bolster their faulty logic because they want the Jackets to do the stupid thing and trade him away.

LOL. Their goaltending is ATROCIOUS. Elvis is a disaster, Tarasov can hardly stay healthy and looks okayish when he manages to stay in the lineup, and Greaves has a grand total of 10 NHL games. You can't possibly be talking about the Blue Jackets if you think their goaltending "isn't an issue by any means".

The forward group is not fine. They have no centers capable of being a true 1C which has been the story of this team for forever. Could Fantilli be that guy? Sure. Is he that guy today? No. Sillinger is starting to look like a decent middle 6 guy again, but they need to see a lot more from him if he's going to be the 2C they need. Boone is a guy that, while productive on the top line, is frankly only producing at the level he is because he's playing 20+ mins a night. He should be getting pushed down the lineup into a 3rd line role, but good luck convincing the coaching staff that that's what's best for the team. Voronkov is another guy that might turn into a decent middle 6 option, but having three guys that fit best as 3C and one guy that maybe could possibly be a 1C in a few years is not a center group that gets you anywhere near the playoffs.

The wings might be ok? Gaudreau, given linemates that can play on his level, should be able to consistently be a point per game player for a few more years. Laine, given he comes back from the player assistance program, should be able to get back to 30-40g form. Chinakhov and Marchenko should have another level they can reach. KJ should be able to be a top 6 player if he can actually put some muscle mass on. After these guys they've got some prospects that could turn into solid parts of the roster.

The consistent theme through all this is the need for development all over and for players to work back up to the level they're expected to play at. Could this team turn into a playoff threat? Sure. What it will take though is for a lot of young guys to consistently improve and grow and for some of them to reach the top of their potential. That's simply not realistic though and some of them are going to bust. It's just the way things go. Until they start to have some of these guys mature and become legitimate top of the lineup players, there is zero reason they should be making dumb decisions like trading away potential core players that are of the same age as the rest of their developing roster for another winger that will cost them $11M+ to extend and who is a proven playoff dud.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3 at 11:11 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30 at 4:48 p.m.
Thread: Jiricek
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rob32sjsharks</b></div><div>With him blasting CBJ management I have to think he’s gone and with teams knowing this they won’t get the same return. As a sharks fan I would offer up PIT 1st, Bordeleau, and Havelid/Cagnioni. Or all 3 to get Jiricek!

The rest of the deals seem reasonable and fair.</div></div>

He stamp his feet and whine through his agent to the media all he wants. He's got a legit point that he want to play and the org is jerking him around, and the CBJ front office has <em>got </em>to go, but he hasn't asked for a trade, and the team doesn't have to honor it even if he did (see Boston and DeBrusk). He has no leverage. He's on his ELC, so he can't hold out like Gaulthier did. It's CBJ org, sit out like a petulant child, or head to the KHL for him. There is literally no pressure to take a pile of garbage for him. He isn't even the first young CBJ player to complain about playing time and be told to earn it this season--Chinakhov did the same thing, and wouldn't you know, he has. Chinakhov's been the best forward on the team for months now and has rescinded his trade request.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 31 at 1:58 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 26 at 11:58 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 26 at 11:46 a.m.
Thread: Jenner - What will it take
I'm assuming this discussion pops up again because of Dreger's report, where he <em>explicitly stated</em> Jenner isn't available. Welcome to the never-ending discussion.

The long: he's a captain on a sweetheart deal with term who's producing well with a unique, valuable skillset. The keys to his value are:
1) he's a decent 2C, great 3C, which every playoff team needs
2) He's on an amazing deal that every playoff team could accommodate
3) His great deal has term, so he's not a rental, which every playoff team with aspirations of competing beyond just this year loves.
4) His current team signed him to said sweetheart deal specifically to keep him around, and has no desire to move him.

Each of those bump his value up since you have to convince Columbus to move him, then beat out every other contender's offer. It's not like he's a depressed asset we have to move that only has a handful of landing spots. The argument is never "Jenner is one of the best centers in the league, pay us for him!", it's "Jenner has a huge market and fills a need for tons of teams, and that spikes his value regardless of his (still good) production, that's what you're overpaying for."

He's a Horvat style player who wins faceoffs like Lindholm and scores goals like Pavelski, but you can have him for this year and the next two at current Evan Bouchard money if you make a good enough offer to convince Columbus it's worth moving their unicorn.

You'll see people argue anything ranging from "expiring 3C UFA with 15 points" offers to "star 1C for the rest of time" demands. I think in reality, the Horvat deal + ??? is a decent comp: 1st, roster player/pick, good prospect. If Columbus deals him, we need a legitimate shot at replacing him soon coming back, so center prospects are preferred. Because of the deal, roster player/pick -&gt; 2nd-equivalent, and good prospect -&gt; top prospect.

So, IMO, it takes: 1st, 2nd, A+/top prospect to land him.

For Pittsburgh specifically, I don't think there's an A+ prospect in the organization, and we <em>definitely </em>don't want to see him in Pittsburgh ever (main rival in-division), so the price goes up more...so 2024 2nd, 2025 1st, and 2026 1st, all unprotected.
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3, 2023 at 3:05 p.m.
Thread: I want Boone
Then pay the "Ripping away a teams heart and soul player that they aren't shopping" price and not the "reasonable offer for an expiring UFA" price. One has a chance and the other has no reason to be considered. The Jackets are going to be adding half an NHL roster at the start of next season again just by virtue of getting healthy. They might also be adding Connor Bedard. They have just as much need for Boone going forward as anyone else in the league does. Frankly, the Leafs don't have interesting enough prospects to make a Jenner trade work anyway. The Jackets already have one of the best prospect pools in the league while having Werenski, Olivier, Laine, Bean, Peeke, Blankenburg, Texier, Bemstrom, Boqvist, Foudy, Marchenko, Johnson and Sillinger on the roster at 25 and younger. Why in the world would they trade their 29 year old captain for even more youth? This just isn't thought out beyond "OOOH SHINY" from a Leafs perspective. No! Bad Leafs fans! You can't have! No Boone for you!