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Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 12, 2017 at 12:14 p.m.
Thread: Duchene
coga16

The best teams don't draft and develop at a rate fast enough to fill out Colorado's NHL blue line, and Colorado has fewer players on the table to pick from. That's if I'm assuming the Avs have 4 NHL D (instead of 2), and are only wanting to fill 3-4 spots.

Pick any team you want. If they add 1 D from their farm team in a year, that's a good year. 2 is excellent.
There is no way the Avs fill out their blue line. They won't have the talent+luck to double their odds, they haven't the bodies to double their spins of the wheel.

The primary problem in Colorado is NHL players leaving faster than they are arriving. It's not just with the stars like Stastny, O'Reilly or Duchene wanting to get out asap.
Wiercoch was a great addition last year, that he didn't work out is the problem the Avs need to fix. Coaching, atmosphere around the team, paying attention to the wrong stats, pressure from above?
Will there be any of the players from the O'Reilly trade left next season?

You certainly do know the Avs prospects better than me. You're up close, like someone driving in a traffic jam who's ready to pounce on the gas pedal. I'm just the bird in the sky who sees the whole thing as slow and predictable.



The Duchene trade situation is a fiasco, the Avs are desperate for defencemen. These things have already happened. Fixing them doesn't change much.
The way the Avalanche will dig themselves out of their hole is with coaching. Boring hockey, cut down on goals against. Once they're stable, then they can start developing the guys who only get 10 minutes a night so they'll want to stick around. The stars will enjoy coming to the rink because they feel like they can make a difference.

Coaches under heavy pressure don't make the smart moves for the team and franchise, they just do whatever they can to survive another week. If the team loses 10-0, no one is cool with saying "Yeah, that's right, we intend to play a bunch of prospects and we're probably going to lose 12-0 tomorrow because I noticed some things they need to learn tonight".

The way this is headed is a bloodbath. Sakic fired. Coach fired at end of season. Duchene traded just to clear the air. A bunch of journeymen vets filling the spot of any rookie who couldn't win a spot on any other NHL team. Then hopefully maybe honesty comes in and there is a steady rebuild. You don't get lost time back.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 12, 2017 at 11:40 a.m.
Thread: Is This Enough For Doughty?
Liljegren + 1st get the conversation started.
Not sure if the Kings are interested in JVR -- there's always lone scoring wingers available for cheap, so they probably don't buy one at the peak of his career when they missed the playoffs last year.


The way to think about it is name the top D the Leafs drafted. From Kaberle drafted in 1996 to Rielly drafted in 2012, that's a 16 year gap. It takes a lot of chances and failed attempts to come up with one Drew Doughty.

He's won cups with LA, his peak years are still ahead of him at 27 but he's played 9 seasons in the NHL. So LA and him might be willing to allow a trade to Toronto, and Toronto wouldn't have to pay the full replacement cost of a young Doughty at the draft.

Marner + 1st + Liljegren would be something closer to what both sides could live with. Liljegren's not ready for the NHL this season, so a depth roster D like Corrado would have been a good add if you still had him, I guess Carrick is the new Corrado.

Remember "Leaf's 1st" today no longer equals Matthews, it's in the back half of the first round so it's what you used to think of as your 2nd round pick (Matt Finn, Travis Dermott, Yegor Korshkov)
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 6, 2017 at 1:16 p.m.
Thread: Bennett
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>flamesfan419</b></div><div>

Uh, I don't think the Flames need to worry about future depth on D considering this is who we have now and on the horizon...

Any one of the names on this list have appeal to not only the Flames, but just about any team in the league. Each one brings something that a team could use or need.
So using the 2 guys at top of the list makes perfect sense in trade talks.</div></div>

Yeah, but it's like Colorado trading Duchene and Jost, wonering how Compher and Grimaldi are going to replace them. They have good enough bodies, they still have other top end guys and won't miss Duchene/Jost.

With or without Kylington+Andersson, Gio+Hamilton will be the top pair and they will play 30 minutes a night while the 3rd pair does closer to 10. CGY can deal with an average 3rd pairing, no worse than available on the UFA market, and draft/develop another Kylington+Andersson in time.

The point isn't to collect players according to individual scoring, the point is to use a constellation of players that get the most wins. 2 young good D would be transformative for Colorado and they've proven more scoring up front changes nothing -- exact same situation in Edmonton btw.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 6, 2017 at 12:58 p.m.
Thread: Bennett
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dylan1995</b></div><div>

You can't say the guy is worth a top 5 pick when he hasn't even cracked the roster. Yes he's very good but is he dougie Hamilton good? No and Calgary gave up a first for him and it was t even TOP 5 Haha come on man lazar is a lost cause and jost is already looking a lot better then him</div></div>

Hasn't cracked the roster. I am of the opinion that Kylington and Andersson could play, but CGY just did the smart thing and let them develop by playing top minutes. I am absolutely confident they are NHL top 4, and maybe NHL top pair.

All good deals hurt both sides. If I had to guess, I would say the instinctual reaction was feeling the hurt of Duchene/Jost who have been seen in the NHL vs. "For who?!"
I think GMs with a scouting team to lean on would take a different view, and I think the structure of a bigger deal like I proposed is the one thing that works for Colorado.

Duchene isn't the problem in Colorado, but they have to trade him or trade Mackinnon because they can't commit to both and they can't afford to let another star walk like Stastny. They have no excuses at a time like this where they are stuck in the basement and not even drafting 1st overall anymore due to the new rules. They aren't going to be getting one of the half dozen #1D stars -- they're not available, or they won't be around long enough to see the rebuild through. There's no team out there that has a pairing of young NHL ready D like Calgary; they're one step above Manson and Montour who were 24 and 22 year old nobodies of Anaheim before last season.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 6, 2017 at 12:31 p.m.
Thread: Bennett
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>coga16</b></div><div>

Jost and Duchene haha thats funny. Bennett isnt worth Jost straight up and Kylington doesnt get you Duchene

ANd you initally think that would have got you Mackinnon...wow</div></div>

Look, Duchene walks in one year. Bennett is what, 5 years younger.
Lazar and Jost are not that far apart yet.
So CGY locks in 2 upgrades today. COL takes on uncertainty -- which is fine, they still have 2 top 6 Cs of their own that they trust, that they can count on.
Kylington is going to be worth a lot, and you will probably never hear him traded from Calgary. He's worth more than a 2nd round pick. He's worth more than a top 5 1st round pick, because he's proven out and on track. Think of Kylington + Andersson as Pietrangelo + Bouwmeester.

You might very well be upset, but it's not from this trade offer. Let it sit and come back to it


edit: Sorry for mixing the 3 proposals around and mentioning Lazar when you responded to Bennett + Kylington.
fwiw I think Kylington and Andersson are worth more as a pair given all the minutes they've played. They're the same age and their game complements each other. If it makes you reconsider, they were at times expected to go much much earlier in the draft.

Kylington + Andersson + Bennett for a great Top 6 C and futures in return (CGY has traded 6 out of their next 14 draft picks) would be what's needed in return. Keep in mind there is a bit of a gap in CGY's D depth going forward losing their top 2 prospects, they have played Bartowski and Russell to get through it already.

I'll also add, for all the hype given to CAR's D corp -- Faulk, Hanifin don't show up as good defenders in the types of shots they give up. They artificially look better with offense numbers that get recorded and seen, while the one aspect of their game that a F or G can't replace is their biggest weakness and forgotten because no one watches Carolina.
Forum: Armchair-GMSep. 5, 2017 at 2:41 p.m.
Thread: Fair trade for Barkov?
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>clark</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>goldie078</b></div><div>

If you wouldn't trade Kadri for that package, a Panthers' fan probably wouldn't trade Barkov either.

Now imagine he asked for Nylander and forget that the Leafs have a garbage blue line that could really use Myers.</div></div>

sorry that you see any NHL games, east of the rockies, but the leafs defence isn't garbage. myers would be the third best right side dman on the leafs, hardly worth 5.5m. stick to your utica comets, a team you have some knowledge. your goldienux mo is much more reasonable.</div></div>

palhal, I made the smallest remark to give you perspective. Keep the WPG/FLA thread about WPG/FLA and stop chasing me (weren't you going to delete your account when I am proven correct about the Leafs' waiver announcements in a month? better make every day count)