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Armchair-GM
Apr. 2, 2021 at 1:26 p.m.
Thread:
please
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Palmieri is a better goal scorer, that it's. Hall has actually been good defensively this season and Palmieri has been below average in his own end. Hall is the better play driver and hes the better forechecker, Palmieri looks like he's on the Andrew Ladd trajectory and is already on the decline. <strong>The narrative that Palmieri fits the way the isles play more than hall is not true</strong>.</div></div>
It is very true, Islanders beat writers have even wrote about it. I'd much rather trade for him over Hall 100% and so do most other Islanders fans. Also as i said, hes less money which is arguably the biggest factor for most teams.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 2, 2021 at 1:07 p.m.
Thread:
please
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>Bellows is the only prospect i could see included the trade. It’s a buyers market and bellows+2nd should be more than enough for palmieri considering that’s what it would take to acquire hall. Palmieri doesn’t have more value than hall</div></div>
You could absolutely argue Palmieri is more valuable than Hall. He's essentially half of what Hall costs, in terms of real money, in a world where teams dont want to take on money because of the current climate of the world. Hes also a better goal scorer and you can argue hes a better all around player defensively/physically, which fits how the Isles play way more than Hall does. Palmieri is likely the best rental forward on the market, and is a much better fit for the isles than Hall. Two 2nd round picks doesnt get it done, Devils want a pro ready prospect.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 2, 2021 at 8:31 a.m.
Thread:
How does this look with cheaper options all around
Holy overpay for Palmieri
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 1, 2021 at 4:48 p.m.
Thread:
NJ Deadline Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Lol keep trying to spin it anyway you want. NJD has more interest in Bruins prospects than you want to think. In fairness though it was a 2 for 1 special as they also wanted to get a look at a few guy for the Islanders farm team</div></div>
Im not spinning it any way, they literally have scouts at a ton of different NHL and AHL games. They seemingly have a ton of interest in their players and it would just be stupid of them to not do their homework on whatever teams are calling.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 1, 2021 at 4:34 p.m.
Thread:
NJ Deadline Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Why scout a teams prospects if Palms "won't be going to Boston" as you said. Seems like a waste of time and resources, no?</div></div>
Because it would be irresponsible not to? They have scouts at NHL and AHL games every single night, even meaningless teams/games who have zero interest in buying. As of a week and a half ago they've taken calls and received interest in their players from essentially 20+ teams, every playoff and bubble team to be exact, according to LeBrun. So it'd just be silly on their part to not do their due-diligence on all the teams and keep tabs on everything going on
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 1, 2021 at 4:23 p.m.
Thread:
NJ Deadline Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>BTW New Jersey has been scouting Bruins AHL team and were doing so as recent as yesterday.</div></div>
New Jersey has been scouting multiple teams and prospects for weeks now. Why would they not do their due-diligence on everybody who has made a call on any of their players?
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 1, 2021 at 2:00 p.m.
Thread:
NJ Deadline Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Looking to deal him? no, but they were in a lot of discussion with other teams for deal including him. As for the bolded, Palms is a UFA this off-season and if he's not in NJD's long-term plan then why would they sign him? Palms is looking for his last big contract and he's not going to sign for a few years to stay in NJD and then become a UFA again at 32-33 yr old. Lastly you can think what you'd like about Boston as a trade partner, but I can tell you NJD very much is interested in some pieces that Boston has and that's why they started talking again earlier this year.</div></div>
They werent in a lot of discussion with other teams to deal him though. Fitz openly said he wasnt shopping him or looking to trade him, but he would obviously listen if teams came calling. He also flat out said that he didnt get into any serious or deep discussions about actually moving him. He's not in the long term plans because once that team is ready to compete he'll be well out of his prime. He will absolutely re-sign for a few years in NJ when he realize that nobody will give him a huge contract on the market that he wants, and his entire life is there. NJ would gladly bring him back on a short deal because they need veterans on the team. I still stand by that Boston is the worst trade partner here, they have by far the least interesting potential returns, which is why when it comes down to it and he gets moved he wont be going to Boston. Its okay if you wanna ignore that and think your scraps are getting a trade done.
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Armchair-GM
Apr. 1, 2021 at 12:01 p.m.
Thread:
NJ Deadline Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>Well I hate to tell you this but last year the best offer NJD received for Palms was from Boston. This year the two have already talked again about a deal. So while you want to say that Boston doesn't have much to peak NJD interest, it ls just not true. Btw kind of telling NJD slapped the "C" Nico instead of Palms. You'd have thought if Palms was a long-term piece for NJD they would have given him the "C" instead.</div></div>
They werent looking to trade Palms. Fitz needed to be completely blown away by the offer to even consider moving him, and after the return he got for Coleman nobody was giving up what it would've taken to get Palm last year. Palms obviously isnt in their long term plans, i never said he was, but they still need vets for the next couple of years. And yes, i stand by what i said of Boston is the worst trade partner for the Devils here, their pieces arent good compared to essentially every other team who will be in the mix.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 31, 2021 at 10:18 p.m.
Thread:
Trade Deadline
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheGHANDI90</b></div><div>You can't do "if this, then that" trades anymore... as per new CBA I believe</div></div>
Yes you can. The condition just cant be based on the player re-signing
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 31, 2021 at 10:13 p.m.
Thread:
NJ Deadline Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>He can certainly not make a move, but Palms is a pending UFA and by the TDL they'll know if he's part of the future or not. If he's not, NJD would be dumb not to move him.</div></div>
I wouldnt say dumb. Palms has made it known he wants to stay, and wants to keep his family in NJ. So even if he is moved at the deadline, its somewhat likely he goes back in free agency after the expansion draft. Fitz would be dumb to not move him because hes arguably the best rental forward on the market and should be able to get a very good return. Hes not just going to move him for picks or a not so good prospect(like Zboril or Senyshyn who dont fit what Fitz wants). If he feels the return isnt worth it, he'll just keep Palms and re-sign him instead of giving him away for nothing. The team needs his veteran presence and shooters so it wouldnt be the worst move. The Bruins are probably the worst trade partner for the Devils right now, they dont really have much that peaks the Devils interest. Vaakanainen is the probably the only one, but hes not being moved for a rental. I see Palms going elsewhere, because someone will almost certainly beat whatever the Bruins can offer
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 31, 2021 at 7:12 p.m.
Thread:
NJ Deadline Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ON3M4N</b></div><div>They did that last TDL and no one bit. Maybe they'll find a taker this year, but hard to imagine they'd get one now when they couldn't get one last year.</div></div>
Even if they don't get a 1st, Fitz has said he wants pro ready prospects/young roster players over picks and we saw that last deadline with him acquiring Nolan Foote and Janne Kuokkanen. If he doesnt get what hes looking for he just won't make the move
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 30, 2021 at 5:44 p.m.
Thread:
NJ Devils
You can't make pick conditions based on whether a player re-signs or not anymore
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 29, 2021 at 4:03 p.m.
Thread:
Replacing Injured Stars
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Asking for Samuel Bolduc instead of Bellows is not overvaluing Palmieri.
Bellows needs to be protected in expansion draft and has not played up to expectation.
Bolduc is a 20-year old former 2nd rounder who has played 11 professional games.
Neither of these guys would be among Devils top-8 prospects.</div></div>
What are you talking about? He's arguably the isles best prospect and would be the Devils best D prospect and 4th best prospect overall after Holtz, Mercer, and Foote. They aren't moving him for a rental
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 29, 2021 at 3:15 p.m.
Thread:
Replacing Injured Stars
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Isles777</b></div><div>If Palmieri costs more than a 2nd + bellows or two 2nd rd picks, the isles likely pass. It's a buyers market and the isles will no problem acquiring someone equal or better than Palmieri (this season) and not have to give up any of their D prospects or a 1st rd pick.</div></div>
Agree. Some Devils fans are gonna be pretty disappointed if they keep overvaluing their assets like this. Its Hall all over again for some. And im a devils fan, i just have realistic expectations.
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 29, 2021 at 2:57 p.m.
Thread:
Replacing Injured Stars
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>The Isles beat reporter on The Athletic listed those trade scenarios and his sources said wouldn't be enough
If the Devils had to protect Bellows or Wilde in expansion draft, that means losing Kuokkanen or Butcher or someone else. That doesn't make sense.</div></div>
There was also an athletic article with multiple NHL executives going over the trade deadline. NHL execs said Palmieri won't get more than a 2nd and a non top 3 prospect. They specifically said Bellows and a 2nd is his value
Didn't Devils fans just do this last year with Hall? Constantly overrated him and expected a huge return(yes they did). Instead they got a bunch of garbage and a 1st. Luckily that 1st turned into Dawson Mercer, thats the only saving grace of the Hall return
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 29, 2021 at 1:18 p.m.
Thread:
Replacing Injured Stars
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>I keep repeating myself here
Bellows + 2nd doesn’t get it done
Salo + 2nd doesn’t get it done
Wilde + 2nd doesn’t get it done
I have no idea why people are debating Bellows, Salo and 2nd or Bellows, Wilde and 2nd
And if it were just picks, Palmieir’s value would likely be 1st and 3rd.</div></div>
You're mad overrating Palms. Any of those 3 trades absolutely gets it done
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:27 a.m.
Thread:
Replacing Injured Stars
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>I never said they would get top-3
Look back at any of my Palmieri trades.
Most are in line with 2nd+B
And there are plenty of teams that have offered better prospects and/or 1sts</div></div>
Your trade offer has Bolduc in it, who is a top 2 isles prospect and arguably their best prospect. If a deal is made with the isles the return is most likely Bellows or Salo and a 2nd. Hes not worth more than that
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:16 a.m.
Thread:
Replacing Injured Stars
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>NJD doesn’t want Wilde. That is the point.
Bellows and Salo are ok.
Can get better elsewhere.</div></div>
Eh thats about what you're gonna get from anybody, especially in a buyers market. A 2nd and B prospect. Devils arent getting a top 3 prospect or a 1st from any team
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:11 a.m.
Thread:
Replacing Injured Stars
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Bellows + 2nd
or
Salo + 2nd
or
Wilde + 1st
All separately, not together.
None of those would be enough.</div></div>
You arent getting a 1st and Wilde. The other 2 are exactly the return NJ will likely be getting. One of those players and a 2. Palms isn't worth more than that
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 29, 2021 at 9:07 a.m.
Thread:
Replacing Injured Stars
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Bellows + Wilde + 2nd would be more than what I am asking here. I think most see as Bellows or Wilde plus 2nd.</div></div>
You literally said Bellows, Salo, and a 2nd doesn't get it done with NJ, and that Wilde would need a 1st attached. Both are not true and are massive overpays. Devils are looking at one of Bellows, Salo, or Wilde and a 2nd or 3rd for Palms. Nothing more.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Mar. 29, 2021 at 8:45 a.m.
Thread:
Replacing Injured Stars
Florida doesn't even consider that trade. Overpayment by the Isles too. Bellows, one of Salo or Wilde, and a 2 WOULD get it done for the Devils but is still an overpay too, isles wouldn't even do that either. Pretty big overvaluing of the Devils pieces here
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Armchair-GM
Mar. 25, 2021 at 7:00 a.m.
Thread:
TDL Sell Off
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Smitty426</b></div><div>Any talk of taking a contract and retaining on Palms starts with Wilde</div></div>
Salo is a better prospect lol
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 9, 2021 at 3:04 p.m.
Thread:
Potential future
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jco5ta5</b></div><div>Do we know yet how NJ is going to handle Crawford’s contract? Does it simply go away? Cap recapture? Any penalties? Or will they simply list him as injured for 2 years and LTIR him?</div></div>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheGHANDI90</b></div><div>pretty sure they are stuck with it, as he signed his contract over the age of 35...</div></div>
Its completely off the books for them. In the new CBA they amended the 35+ contract rule and since the contract is backloaded and Crawford had no signing bonus in year 2, the Devils are completely off the hook
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Armchair-GM
Oct. 10, 2020 at 8:35 p.m.
Thread:
This could actually work
Devils decline. Kerfoot refused to sign with them after college and walked as a free agent
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Armchair-GM
Dec. 7, 2019 at 11:50 p.m.
Thread:
Devils
*I think its a decent deal
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