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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 18, 2019 at 10:39 a.m.
Thread: Spurgeon
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kallenpj</b></div><div>Everyone wants point, but he is not going anywhere... I think some of the discussion on this site around Spurgeon to Tampa or Philadelphia or Toronto make sense... I just don't think Point is attainable even with Spurgeon as part of the return. We'd also have to retain contract or take a contract back (not a problem) but I still don't think that gets it done. <a href="/users/TanSor" target="_blank">@TanSor</a> do you agree? You proposed several Tampa trade ideas, but none included Point</div></div>

I think you said it best. Don't think Point is going anywhere, Tampa will figure out a way to keep him. Hypothetically speaking, we'd have to give up something like Dumba and an additional piece to get Point and I don't want us to trade Dumba.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 17, 2019 at 7:39 p.m.
Thread: If the Wild pursue Lee
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dwr8001</b></div><div>I Like this team as well as the one you did with the Vancouver trade. I think though Patrick would probably have to be our #2C because he is of his offensive upside plus I could see the Wild being very careful with Koivu as he comes back from the ACL. Also side note: would you rather have Pavelski at a lower cap number and less years or stick with Lee for what you signed him for?</div></div>

Thanks! Yeah I just had Koivu at 2C for kicks. The ideal route would be to start Patrick at 3C but eventually bring him up to 2C for the last half of the season. Koivu may or may not start on IR... Sounds like he's hell-bent on returning, though.

Great question, and honestly an idea I've been toying with for a while. I can't say for sure. Probably Lee since I don't think we're contenders for the next couple years, even with Pavelski.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 17, 2019 at 6:54 p.m.
Thread: If the Wild pursue Lee
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>moli92</b></div><div>"Zucker is insanely undervalued on this site. He's a 50-55p winger who has shown he's capable of scoring 30 goals, not to mention he's signed at a reasonable cap hit."

Zucker is not a 50-55P and 30G winger. He has only scored over 50 points once in his career and has only scored over 30 goals once. He is a 40-50 point winger with one good season under his belt. But with that said, I think the trade value is pretty close. I just wouldnt classify him as a 30G and 50-55P winger yet until he can show it wasnt just a fluke</div></div>

He had nearly the same opportunities as last year (8 fewer), but had a shooting percentage that was 5.1% lower. If he had his career average of shooting %, he would have scored 26g goals and he didn't have the playmaker (Granlund) that he did last year. I don't think he's a 60+p winger, but I also don't think he's a 40p winger. That's why I said he's a 50-55p winger, since I think he's somewhere in between this year and last year (which would be 50-55 points).
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 15, 2019 at 10:50 a.m.
Thread: What Every Team Should Do - Get Rid Of The Players Youre Shopping
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DH28Hockey</b></div><div>Accidentally posted my reply in the middle of the quote, on mobile so can’t copy/paste lol</div></div>

I disagree. The forwards projected to go around 11 (Boldy, Newhook, Dach, or Krebs) all project to be first line forwards which are typically 60-70 point players. That's what I see as Patrick's ceiling now, there's a tiny chance he's better but you could argue the same for all the players I just listed. Forget that he was drafted 2nd overall, that was 2 years ago and is sort of meaningless now.

And I said Spurgeon would come with an extension so you aren't getting a rental, and I also didn't mean to imply a 1 for 1 trade even though it definitely reads that way in my initial comment.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 14, 2019 at 10:23 p.m.
Thread: Trade Zucker
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kallenpj</b></div><div>There’d have to be a subsequent trade to make the top 9 more effective.
Fenton reiterated again his plan to extend Spurgeon, I just doubt Spurgeon wants to stay at this point, so capturing his potential seems reasonable (and I can't believe I am actually in favor of trading my favorite Wild player).</div></div>

That's what he says, but Marc Bergevin said he wasn't shopping PK Subban and look how that turned out... You never know, but I agree with you that Spurgeon probably doesn't (or at least he shouldn't) see us being a legitimate contender for a couple years. I'd be devastated losing Spurgeon, but if he gets us a talented potential 1C, I'll be extremely happy. I'd be even more happy if I got to see him lift a cup on his new team
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 12, 2019 at 5:05 p.m.
Thread: Buf Edm Mtl
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>asauer1122</b></div><div>You do realize BUF would be the ones turning that trade down</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JayTea</b></div><div>Why? Ristolainen is not a very good defenseman and he doesn't even score enough points that it can be overlooked..</div></div>

you both actually realize that Ristolainen is absolute trash right? .. he's a complete liability in his own end and doesn't seem to know how to use his big body for proper gap control yet. his offence and skating are both average. Plus his analytics are even worse. He is the most overrated player in the league just because he's big and a right handed shooting defenseman. Not to mention he's overpaid by at least $2M. There's no way Minnesota takes that deal. Unless Fenton loses his mind, which it appears he has. So that's Buffalo's only hope to offload Ristolainen.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 11, 2019 at 9:42 p.m.
Thread: Philly and Vancouver
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kallenpj</b></div><div>Just thinking aloud... What would it take to get Patrick (as the playmaker) and Kapanen (as the shooter)? Thinking several scenarios... Ek, Zucker Spurgeon? (Since Patrick will take Ek's center spot). Any package that doesn't include Spurgeon since Fenton doesn't want to trade him? I don't think that combo has been done yet.</div></div>

I'm pretty sure I've made a post like that before! Realistically speaking, Spurgeon or Dumba are probably our only tickets to getting Patrick. Obviously trading Dumba for him isn't smart, but Spurgeon with an extension should do the trick as the centerpiece.

For Kapanen, you're probably looking at Spurgeon or Dumba (I think moving either for Kapanen is a bad idea) on D and probably Greenway on forward. I'd rather Keep Greenway, but apparently Fenton was not happy with the way he played in the Calder Cup playoffs and even if we trade Zucker we have one too many LW's.

I don't think Zucker will get us either of those two. He's too much cap for Toronto unless we do something dumb like taking Zaitsev and Marleau and he's not valuable enough to bring back a potential 1C.

Edit: nevermind, I was going to post a thread with Patrick and Kapanen but I never did. I ended up posting a Philly and Anaheim trade instead, but you could swap my Anaheim trade (Greenway for Kase) out for a Toronto trade (Greenway for Kapanen).
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 11, 2019 at 8:49 a.m.
Thread: Philly and Vancouver
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TanSor</b></div><div>I think he has proven a lot. Scored 33 goals once, sure, but he has consistently scored over 20 goals the past 3 years and has scored over 20 4 out of the past 5 years. Last year was a down year for him and we traded away our only playmaker, but Jason still scored 21. One big thing with that 21 goal number is that Jason's shooting percentage was really low last year compared to his career average. Over his career, Jason has scored on 12.1% of his shots on goal. Last year, he only scored on 9.8% of his shots on goal. He had 214 shots on goal last year, so if you use his career average shooting %, he would have scored 25.8 goals. That indicates a snake-bitten player that was simply unlucky. If he had scored 26 goals last year, his value would be a lot higher on this site. I don't want to make him out to be more than he is, which (in my opinion) is a 25g/50-55p top 6 forward. You put him with a playmaker, and he could get close to 30g/60p. I can show you some fancy stats/maps if you're exceptionally interested, but to sum them up: Zucker is really valuable on the ice when it comes to scoring, last season he increased the Wild's scoring by 7%. It doesn't sound like a lot, but that's pretty good for a top 6 winger.

The thing with Virtanen is that if you look at his production after leaving the WHL, it's pretty discouraging. He scored 19 points in 65 AHL games his first year (really bad, especially for a rookie taken 6th overall) and his NHL production was stagnant the past 2 years (increased from 10g/20p to 15g/25p the past 2 years). 5 goals increase is good, but you'd really hope that assist number goes up (10 assists is pretty horrible). Statistically speaking, an increase from 20 to 25 points is pretty insignificant, even if the increase in goals is significant. Looking at the same maps as above with Zucker, Virtanen <em>decreased</em> the scoring by Vancouver when he was on the ice by 9%. Not what you want when you're putting a guy drafted 6th overall on the ice, especially when he's trying to replace a winger like Zucker.

Again, I don't want to make Zucker sound like some "elite" player, because he's not, but if you want a solid scoring winger that has shown he can pot 30 goals when he's put with a playmaker, Zucker is your man. Age is certainly a factor here and Virtanen does have value, I just would be very hesitant about swapping Zucker for Virtanen 1 for 1. Zucker has shown much more at the NHL level than Virtanen and for that reason I think Vancouver would have to add something like a 2nd round pick, a prospect like Gaudette, or a roster player like Tanev.

Edit: <a href="/users/MNBassman" target="_blank">@MNBassman</a> you might find this useful to read as to why I think Zucker has more value than Virtanen.</div></div>

A lot great info here thank you. This is the bottom line though there are way to many left shot fowards on this team and I don't want to trade any of the kids yet/we don't have much else of value besides Zucker/Spurgeon that we can trade. I know Jason would be better with a playmaker but do we have one on this roster right now? Could we land one with a Spurgeon trade?
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 11, 2019 at 8:27 a.m.
Thread: Philly and Vancouver
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dwr8001</b></div><div>What has Zucker really proven though?? He is a Left Shot guy who has scored 30 goals once and we have a ton of Left shot guys on this team!! There is a reason Fenton has traded so many guys from this team they hit a point and stopped developing because of the player or coach or management who knows but they all seemed to hit a brick wall in there development why?? Also Virtanen is a lot younger , cheaper, a Right Shot and a Big Body. I don't know if Virtanen is a Star but he is something different for sure!!</div></div>

I think he has proven a lot. Scored 33 goals once, sure, but he has consistently scored over 20 goals the past 3 years and has scored over 20 4 out of the past 5 years. Last year was a down year for him and we traded away our only playmaker, but Jason still scored 21. One big thing with that 21 goal number is that Jason's shooting percentage was really low last year compared to his career average. Over his career, Jason has scored on 12.1% of his shots on goal. Last year, he only scored on 9.8% of his shots on goal. He had 214 shots on goal last year, so if you use his career average shooting %, he would have scored 25.8 goals. That indicates a snake-bitten player that was simply unlucky. If he had scored 26 goals last year, his value would be a lot higher on this site. I don't want to make him out to be more than he is, which (in my opinion) is a 25g/50-55p top 6 forward. You put him with a playmaker, and he could get close to 30g/60p. I can show you some fancy stats/maps if you're exceptionally interested, but to sum them up: Zucker is really valuable on the ice when it comes to scoring, last season he increased the Wild's scoring by 7%. It doesn't sound like a lot, but that's pretty good for a top 6 winger.

The thing with Virtanen is that if you look at his production after leaving the WHL, it's pretty discouraging. He scored 19 points in 65 AHL games his first year (really bad, especially for a rookie taken 6th overall) and his NHL production was stagnant the past 2 years (increased from 10g/20p to 15g/25p the past 2 years). 5 goals increase is good, but you'd really hope that assist number goes up (10 assists is pretty horrible). Statistically speaking, an increase from 20 to 25 points is pretty insignificant, even if the increase in goals is significant. Looking at the same maps as above with Zucker, Virtanen <em>decreased</em> the scoring by Vancouver when he was on the ice by 9%. Not what you want when you're putting a guy drafted 6th overall on the ice, especially when he's trying to replace a winger like Zucker.

Again, I don't want to make Zucker sound like some "elite" player, because he's not, but if you want a solid scoring winger that has shown he can pot 30 goals when he's put with a playmaker, Zucker is your man. Age is certainly a factor here and Virtanen does have value, I just would be very hesitant about swapping Zucker for Virtanen 1 for 1. Zucker has shown much more at the NHL level than Virtanen and for that reason I think Vancouver would have to add something like a 2nd round pick, a prospect like Gaudette, or a roster player like Tanev.

Edit: <a href="/users/MNBassman" target="_blank">@MNBassman</a> you might find this useful to read as to why I think Zucker has more value than Virtanen.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 9, 2019 at 4:38 p.m.
Thread: fletcher getting some of his guys back
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DH28Hockey</b></div><div>I would go even further and say Patrick for Spurgeon swap would be horrible for us. We are thin on center and despite this last season our D-core is looking like it’s shaping up strong enough to where we wouldn’t need Spurgeon bad enough to give away a 20 year old center with legitimate 1C potential. The only asset the Wild have that I could see Patrick being sent in a trade for is Kaprizov, and even then idk if that would be 1 for 1</div></div>

I'm assuming that Philly signs Hayes. So in that case you'd have Couturier and Hayes as your top 6 centers, which is great. The trade wouldn't be 1 for 1, and as <a href="/users/Cheesesauce" target="_blank">@Cheesesauce</a> mentioned, Eriksson Ek could be included on our end to solidify your center depth. I still think the Flyers could use a top pairing RD to play with Provorov.