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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 14, 2017 at 12:51 p.m.
Thread: ANA? DET? Half way through making this team I hated it. Made do
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LazarBeams</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kww3</b></div><div>I don't think that works for DET. Mrazek, while inconsistent, has shown considerable stretches of Vezna caliber goaltending. The Wings are very unlikely to sell low on him now unless someone is willing to bet that he'll end up being closer to Vezna caliber than what he showed this year. Tatar is good for 20-30 goals/year and probably worth an A-/B+ prospect plus a 2nd/3rd round pick by himself. While Kylington and Parsons are attractive pieces they don't come close to getting the job done in my opinion. Plus on top you have a cap dump in Brower and us sending a 2nd rounder as well. Don't see this working for DET.</div></div>

Cool, very fair analysis, I kind of figured he Brouwer piece would be a problem, I think thank if they send Abdelkader (excuse spelling) would be the only way that Brouwer goes the other way. And Howard is much more reasonable, I just want Mrazek!! Lol! Thanks for the feedback!</div></div>

No problem! I've been trying to make a Howard to CGY deal work in my head for a while but it's just too damn hard cause of this goalie market, expansion draft, and all the other moving pieces. I'd also be open to a Mrazek trade but the price would be very high. I hope DET management feels the same.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 24, 2017 at 3:06 p.m.
Thread: DRW - Trade Feeler (DAL, PHI, WPG)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dtd_tank</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JuniorGM</b></div><div>The jets have 2 major needs a cost effective 1B type goalie for a 1-2yr and a young top 4 LHD thats cost controlled. I see DDK as a 5 thats expensive.</div></div>

Xavier Ouellet?

Or I could change this deal all around by adding Green, if that's interesting (though it doesn't help you with the expansion draft issue).</div></div>

Ouellet is definitely a solid second pairing guy. He is young and cost controlled (for two or three more years at least). Ouellet could be valuable in a trade; although maybe not this particular one. Green, on the other hand, doesn't really fit what WPG is trying to accomplish. He's on the wrong side of 30, on the books for $6million, and could bolt after 17/18...not exactly what a young, up-and-coming team is looking for.

I think until we see if Hicketts, Hronek, Saarijarvi, and Cholowski pan out, Ouellet or DDK is the closest thing we have to what the Jets are looking for in return for Trouba (and neither of them get it done). By the time we know anything about the aforementioned prospects Trouba will be demanding $5-8 million/year on his next deal.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 24, 2017 at 2:20 p.m.
Thread: DRW - Trade Feeler (DAL, PHI, WPG)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dtd_tank</b></div><div>Good point on salaries. Somebody had DET eating $2M on DDK, but I'm not doing that for 5 years... Maybe $750k or something to bring him closer to his true market value.

As for Copp vs. Lowry, it really comes down to whoever WPG wants less. I'm just trying to help them out (taking on this contract, retaining salary, expansion draft considerations, etc) in order to justify Trouba.</div></div>

I don't think I'd retain anything on DDK. If someone wants him and wants to give a reasonable return and take a chance on him, great; but I'm not counting on it. His stock is so low these days. Plus, not to complicate things too much, I don't think WPG defensive prospects are all that enticing??? They seam pretty thin after the guys they had in with the big club this year (Junior feel free to contradict me here; I am by no means an expert on the Jets' farm system). So, unless Trouba is just going to be a constant headache during his tenure in Winnipeg I don't see why they would move him??? I think that's part of the reason why they've asked for a top 4 D in any possible return package...
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 24, 2017 at 10:15 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 24, 2017 at 10:00 a.m.
Thread: 2017 off-season moves
Dallas definitely needs to try their best to move one or both of Niemi and Lehtonen but I don't think it will be as easy as you've purposed here. If GMs could just ship out underperforming veterans on multimillion dollar contracts for a couple draft picks my Red Wings wouldn't be in any trouble...but here we are...

CHI can not afford Niemi no matter how much DAL retains; they will find a cheaper backup to Crawford somewhere else or promote from within.

While CGY desperately needs a goaltending solution, they can do much better than Lehtonen at an almost $6 million cap hit. Both Johnson and Elliot out performed Lehtonen this past year and will be much cheaper should they decide to resign either of them. I think CGY most likely resign Johnson for around $2 million and find another option somewhere else or promote from within; they have several intriguing goalie prospects. I think a Johnson/Rittich tandem would be respectable and quite cheap.

If DAL needs to move a goalie for cap reasons my bet is on one of Niemi or Lehtonen being bought out and DAL just eating the other one. I don't think Niemi has any trade value whatsoever, even with retention of salary. Lehtonen might return something if DAL is willing to eat a large part of the cap hit.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 17, 2017 at 1:23 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 12, 2017 at 5:29 p.m.
Thread: 17/18
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>redw1n9s</b></div><div> upgrading the D is absolutely priority #1 </div></div>

Agreed. Just not sure it can happen. One of GMKH's favorite phrases is "it takes two to tango" and, at the end of the day, he's right. He's been trying since Lidstrom retired (he almost had Suter) and the fact is: it's hard. I'm afraid the only way we can fix the D is eat the current contracts while hoping one or two of Cholowski, Hronek, Hicketts, Saarijarvi, and Liljegren (fingers crossed!) end up being top-pair, minute-eating, puck-moving studs. Because the Burns/Karlsons/Letangs/Lindholms/Ekblads/Hedmans/etc...NEVER make it to free agency and RARELY get traded for anything other than another elite Dman (aka Subban/Weber).

Our best hope of trading for one is probably one of those one-for-one deals involving an elite young Dman for an elite young forward like Jones for Johansen. The problem for us is that you usually need a surplus of one before you're willing to give one up for the other. Last time I checked, DET has shortages on both fronts! Lol.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 12, 2017 at 4:54 p.m.
Thread: 17/18
Lots of intriguing ideas here! Personally, I'd be hesitant to deal both Nyquist AND Tatar. I would also probably pass on Vanek. However, no doubt that you've improved the defensive situation (and gotten younger). Not sure ANA is willing to deal Theodore with the possibility (unless something changes with Bieksa's NMC) of losing a good Dman to Vegas in June. Also, I know WPG has gone on record saying they want an equally prestigious, young Dman coming back in any Trouba trade and, while Cholowski could very well develop into that, I think he's too early in the development process to get WPG to pull the trigger on that deal. RFA cap hits are pretty on point but I wouldn't sign Russo to a three year deal; he hasn't shown enough to receive anything more than a burry-able one-year "show me" deal next year.

Not sure what to make of that EDM deal, either. There's no doubt that Eberle is talented but he's already almost 27 and probably will be slowing down by the time DET is looking to contend again. He recorded 51 points this year compared to 48 for Nyquist and 46 for Tatar. Neither Goose nor Tatar will cost 6 million. However, if you have dealt both of them to improve the D like in this scenario, then we are desperately thin at wing so I get what you're trying to do here. Giving up a good first rounder would also hurt...I'd rather play it safe, keep one of Tatar/Nyquist, and use Green to pick up an extra first or second plus a prospect at the 2017/18 deadline.

Lastly, while I'll gladly admit that I could be wrong about anything else I've said, I am pretty confident that you shouldn't buyout Ericsson if you have the cap space like you have here. If he really isn't good enough to be on the roster, then bury him, get 950K of relief, and get him off the books sooner. While we can't get full LTIR relief for both Franzen AND Kronwall (you can only use 10% of the cap ceiling on LTIR), we should still have enough space to eat Ericsson's contract for another year.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 1, 2017 at 1:16 p.m.
Thread: Red Wings trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CaptainStevieY</b></div><div>TOR:
DeKeyser
2017 1st rd pick (Liljegren)
2018 2nd rd pick

DET:
Kapanen
Marincin
2017 1st rd pick
2017 2nd rd pick

This way TOR gets their guy Liljegren and instead of having to chose between 2 unserviceable D-men (Kronwall/Ericsson) they get DeKeyser. And they keep JVR to use in a trade elsewhere - which would make more sense - to get say, another D-man from ANA.</div></div>

While maybe fair, I don't think Holland and Co. will be moving DeKeyser. He will most likely be protected in the expansion draft (at the expense of either Ouellet or Jensen most likely) and his value is at an all-time low after his struggle-filled 16/17 season. That being said, I think I would pull the trigger on what you purposed if you changed the 2018 2nd to one of our 2017 3rds.

Also of note, assuming this trade is done at the entry draft (after protecting DDK in the expansion draft) this trade would probably leave DET with one of the worst defenses in NHL history. Losing Ouellet or Jensen to Vegas, trading DDK to TOR, we would be left with Green, Ouellet/ Jensen, Ericsson, Kronwall, Sproul, and Russo (if we resign him). Yikes lol. Hopefully the D prospects take a huge leap forward.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 1, 2017 at 12:31 p.m.
Thread: Red Wings trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JTrades</b></div><div><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kww3</b></div><div>Creative idea! I'm assuming this purposed DET trade happens during the draft? If so, and Liljegren is still on the board, I don't think DET management pulls the trigger. Personally, I'd wait out Kronwall's contract and get a stud D prospect rather than move the contract and lose the pick. He's only one the books for one more year after this coming season; well worth waiting for if you ask me.

Also, there's no game changing UFA this summer like Stamkos so I doubt Holland and Co. make a similar maneuver to last year where they passed on Chychrun to move Datsyuk's cap hit.

Swapping 2017 1st rounders would make it more likely. Not sure if the Wings can afford to drop completely out of the first round. I think Holland has "made his bed" with all these long term contracts and now he has to sleep in it. The smart, non-sexy thing to do is to wait them out and hoard some draft picks.

What would you say to (assuming getting our 2017 1st means getting Liljegren):

To TOR:

Jonathan Ericsson (alternate cap dump)
2017 1st (9 Overall aka Liljegren)
2017 3rd (take your pick, we have four)

To DET:

2017 1st (18 Overall)
2018 2nd (SJS)
Kasperi Kapanen</div></div>


I think Toronto could get more for Kapanen. They need a D and I don't think Ericsson is the answer. This makes more sense than Kronwall though</div></div>

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Ericsson is Toronto's answer on D either. But neither is Kronwall. They are both aging, underperforming players on pretty bad contracts. The reason I suggested Ericsson instead of Kronwall is that he's under contract for another year beyond what Kronwall is. This would serve as a more enticing cap dump for DET than Kronwall. Just trying to bridge the gap that would make passing on Liljegren more acceptable.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 1, 2017 at 12:14 p.m.
Thread: Red Wings trade
Creative idea! I'm assuming this purposed DET trade happens during the draft? If so, and Liljegren is still on the board, I don't think DET management pulls the trigger. Personally, I'd wait out Kronwall's contract and get a stud D prospect rather than move the contract and lose the pick. He's only one the books for one more year after this coming season; well worth waiting for if you ask me.

Also, there's no game changing UFA this summer like Stamkos so I doubt Holland and Co. make a similar maneuver to last year where they passed on Chychrun to move Datsyuk's cap hit.

Swapping 2017 1st rounders would make it more likely. Not sure if the Wings can afford to drop completely out of the first round. I think Holland has "made his bed" with all these long term contracts and now he has to sleep in it. The smart, non-sexy thing to do is to wait them out and hoard some draft picks.

What would you say to (assuming getting our 2017 1st means getting Liljegren):

To TOR:

Jonathan Ericsson (alternate cap dump)
2017 1st (9 Overall aka Liljegren)
2017 3rd (take your pick, we have four)

To DET:

2017 1st (18 Overall)
2018 2nd (SJS)
Kasperi Kapanen