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Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3, 2022 at 6:54 p.m.

Thread: Fix this damn team pt 1

The difference between Garland and Zacha is more that ~ 10 draft spots in the third round

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3, 2022 at 6:49 p.m.

Thread: Wilding Pt 1

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GabrielJ</b></div><div>Fiala won't be on the team next year. Also Minnesota 3rd pairing d is jon merrill and Dmitry kulikov who have been damn good, so there's zero need for schenn. He would just be a luxury suite player</div></div>

I understand with Schenn now, I thought you were saying he would refuse a trade there. I agree but he is good depth and his value in the trade is negligible.

Fiala not being on the team next year is why I think Miller makes sense. You lose Fiala due to the cap next year and your teams gets worse than it is today.

You add Miller, not only do you get much better today, he also offsets the loss of Fialas production come next year, meaning the team takes less of a step back.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 3, 2022 at 6:39 p.m.

Thread: Wilding Pt 1

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GabrielJ</b></div><div>We aren't trading Calen addison much less adding a 1st round pick to it for JT. Jt Miller is a free agent next year and Minnesota isn't resigning him. Of course you as a Canucks fan will be nothing. Luke schein won't play on wild. No thanks</div></div>

I have no idea what you mean by Schenn won't play on Wild.

Anyway, Miller isn't a pure rental and provides a way for you to keep Fialas production (more) next year without sacrificing Dumba to do it.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 2, 2022 at 8:51 p.m.

Thread: Miller allegedly seeking 7x6

Even with Miller taking that this is effectively the same Canuck roster as this year expect we're probably looking at decline from OEL, Myers, Poolman, and Pearson.

The only way this system goes anywhere is with MASSIVE improvement from Pete, Quinn, Hog, Pod etc.

Changes need to be made regardless of if we can keep everyone otherwise we will be stuck as a middle 10 team forever

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 2, 2022 at 7:01 p.m.

Thread: little splish splash for the squadron

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Borocop</b></div><div>what about swapping a retained zaitsev for myers</div></div>

Yeah I would be up for that

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 2, 2022 at 6:51 p.m.

Thread: little splish splash for the squadron

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Borocop</b></div><div>i mean i love garland but im probably not giving up a top 10 pick for him regardless of year and a promising RD prospect, maybe boeser and add to that, but would be pretty pressed for garland</div></div>

Oh I agree, that would be an overpay. Hence the issue I am having coming up with a proposal I think it's fair. It's there maybe another prospect you would be able to throw in to offset the difference between a 1st and the 2nd.

The other thing I could think of is it would be appealing if Ott took some of Vans dead cap space (Poolman, Dickinson, Myers) to offset the value difference.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 2, 2022 at 6:40 p.m.

Thread: little splish splash for the squadron

Ideally I would want the second to be this year's first but with Ott that's not happening. It would be ideal if they could acquire someone else's to give to us.

The issue I have with a 2023 protected first is it's still pretty likely that gets bumped to 2024 which is a long time to wait to see a return.

Unless the protection on the 2023 was very loose (ie only top 3 protected)

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 2, 2022 at 1:03 p.m.

Thread: Realistic

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan16</b></div><div>canucks accept Imo</div></div>

No they don't

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 31, 2022 at 2:39 p.m.

Thread: Scorched Earth

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Well, to begin with, I don't see LD as a position of priority for the Canucks. Both Hughes and OEL are signed through 2026-2027 (i.e., five more years), which would seem to put a damper on Zellweger's development chances. Meanwhile, Zellweger is our #1 LD prospect. (If Vancouver really does want an LD prospect, I'd feel fine about giving them Jackson LaCombe or Henry Thrun.) And I agree with you about the first and second, especially in the same draft year.

I think Vancouver might be interested more in forward help. My idea would be the 2022 first, Max Jones or Sam Steel, and perhaps another prospect, like maybe even Brayden Tracey (but not Jacob Perreault or Sasha Pastujov).</div></div>

I'm not a fan of Steel/Jones tbh. At their age I would be looking for more production.

A combination of the prospects listed would be more appealing

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 31, 2022 at 2:07 p.m.

Thread: Scorched Earth

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>I think for me at least it’s both a 1st and Zellweger being in together</div></div>

Fair enough.

It's there another prospect you would think to replace him with?

I don't know if I would want the Canucks to move Boeser for just Zellweger +2nd (that's a lot of faith in one pprospect) or a first + second (your first will be too low for that imo)

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 31, 2022 at 1:45 p.m.

Thread: Scorched Earth

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>I don’t know how I feel about a 1st a 2nd AND Zellweger</div></div>

I was wondering how Ducks fans would feel about that. Not sure on Z's value but he has looked impressive.

Would dropping the second make it better? Assuming the first will be in the early twenties/late teens

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 31, 2022 at 12:17 p.m.

Thread: Canucks Offseason

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sedin33</b></div><div>First 2 are awful for the Canucks. Everyone else says no</div></div>

Spot on.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 31, 2022 at 11:36 a.m.

Thread: CBC316

That's way too much for Garland. That's a top 10 pick and one of the best rookies in the game. Tbh I doubt you get one of those in a straight up swap for Garland

Then you also throw Zacha and a second in for lols.

Pearson adds almost no value

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2022 at 8:03 p.m.

Thread: Let me hear it Leaf fans

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mokumboi</b></div><div>Dude, Leafs fans will kiss you on the mouth for that gift.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>eVANder</b></div><div>I mean, you and I both know that should be true, but have you met these guys?</div></div>

^ right on cue

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsleaks123</b></div><div>I don’t understand why you guys think Garland is all that special. Kerfoot has been better then him this year and he’s cheaper. This is a strong no for the leafs</div></div>

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2022 at 5:37 p.m.

Thread: Working class hero

It's good value for sure. Only issue is Canucks would likely prefer a D prospect over a winger.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2022 at 3:22 p.m.

Thread: Trade Deadline

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazWild</b></div><div>Don't be an idiot. If we actually bother to trade for Miller, it won't include our 2nd best winger who is on par with Boeser. <strong><em>Especially</em></strong> if the goal is to actually compete for the cup. The entire <em>point</em> of acquiring him would be to play him between Fiala and Boldy.

Therefore it's asinine to even think about moving one of those two for Miller. It would defeat the entire purpose of getting him.</div></div>

Fiala coming back to the Canucks doesn't make sense for us either so idk what he was saying.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2022 at 2:15 p.m.

Thread: Discussion

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>superiorscarf20</b></div><div>Eichel value was suppressed. I think Jakob Chychrun and JT Miller will have a somewhat similar return.</div></div>

That's what's been reported.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2022 at 2:09 p.m.

Thread: Discussion

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GabrielJ</b></div><div>They aren't getting traded . Tampa is well known for overpay. Ottowa was laughed at by media for everything they gave away. You can't use those as comparisons. Minnesota will be out then</div></div>

So I'm not allowed to use Foligno, Coleman, Goodrow, or Duchene as comparables... So Zucker is the only one I can use because he suits you? (even though he's not a good comparable).

Minnesota can be out then, that's fine.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2022 at 2:01 p.m.

Thread: Discussion

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GabrielJ</b></div><div>Yes, he's not but terms still matter. That trades hasn't happened shows your gm whose well known for using media can ask, but gm's don't have to budge. No one said no to 1st and top prospect with c prospect , but he's not getting more.

No, don't use nick foligno's trade because Toronto bid against themselves</div></div>

The trade hasn't happened because we're still way away from the deadline.

Coleman had the same term as Miller and went for a first + prospect. Goodrow was the same term and went for a first. Duchene had the same term as well.

I would expect a first, A prospect, and filler for Miller and imo the only A prospects the wild have are Rossi, Boldy, Addison.

I'm not saying he will 100% be traded, but if we can't get a similar return we're better off keeping him and exploring trading Boeser and/or Garland.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2022 at 1:50 p.m.

Thread: Trade Deadline

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GabrielJ</b></div><div>No one said we should, but JT has less term than Zucker who got a 1st and b prospect which was considered overpayment. Your gm can ask, there's a reason no trade has happened. No gm will pay that. Yesterday proved why GM'S will also be hesitant about JT</div></div>

Miller >> Zucker, and it's not even close.

If you really want to straw man yesterday into lowering Miller's value that's fine - but it's just as easy to look at his WPG hattrick.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2022 at 1:48 p.m.

Thread: Discussion

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GabrielJ</b></div><div>Rossi can't be had. I am sorry,but your gm can ask for 3-4 first round pick, but no gm us paying that. Even Zucker had more term. . Rossi is off limits.</div></div>

Tbf Zucker isn't on the same level as Miller

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2022 at 1:45 p.m.

Thread: Trade Deadline

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GabrielJ</b></div><div>No, none of those will.</div></div>

Well you're not getting Miller for a bag of pucks

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2022 at 1:43 p.m.

Thread: Discussion

As a Canucks fan, I would love that for Miller but no way the Wild do that.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 30, 2022 at 1:21 p.m.

Thread: youth and size

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kingkanuck</b></div><div>Pretty sure Stanley is first rounder (18th OA) and at only 23 has lots of time to improve.</div></div>

Imo once you reach 23 your draft status doesn't matter anymore. You wouldn't see anyone trading a first, let alone a top 20 fwd for Stanley.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 29, 2022 at 7:30 p.m.

Thread: All in for 2 years

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>and what was eichel rumoured for? what did he go for? These offers are never what agents and teams leak because they are always trying to jack up the price.</div></div>

IIRC Eichel was rumoured as 3/4 first round assets and he got 3ish (depending how you value Tuch)

The Eichel situation also isn't remotely comparable to Miller's.

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